Ethanol plant plans dropped

Ethanol plant plans dropped

There are 49 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 5, 2007, titled Ethanol plant plans dropped. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

South Dakota-based ethanol producer Broin Cos. has pulled plans to build a plant in Wells County.

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Darwin Award Official

Birmingham, AL

#42 Feb 10, 2007
Tree hugger wrote:
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Going back a long way. Street cars run on tracks, our country and society is too diverse for tracks.
Electric cars are the future. The road block is technology and economics, not government and the big(little) 3. Also, hydrogen fuel cells are very effecient but still dangerous.
Ethanol is good because it reduces foreign dependance.It prevents oil wells in North America and helps get government out of aggriculture.
We, the consumers, have the single greatest effect on alternative energy.
If the consumer will not make it a priority then who will pay for this?
Please do not say government, they are not qualified to create demand, they are too slow and ineffecient.
I agree with the electric car concept but I wonder if GM and the other USA car companies will allow it...

I bet you don't know when the FIRST electric car was first MASS Produced.... the answer might shock you
Tree Hugger

Indianapolis, IN

#43 Feb 10, 2007
Darwin Award Official wrote:
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I agree with the electric car concept but I wonder if GM and the other USA car companies will allow it...
I bet you don't know when the FIRST electric car was first MASS Produced.... the answer might shock you
I understand the arguement that the big 3 will work to stop electric car.But in all fairness they are crippled. GM and Ford are just about powerless.
I do not know history of electric car. I do know that Germany has companies capable of developeing the motors and batteries.
Back to first thought. Who profitts the most from fossil fuels? The federal government ( follow the money)
HOw will government tax electric cars?
Darwin Award Official

Birmingham, AL

#44 Feb 16, 2007
First point:

Studebaker 1897

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker

Studebaker experimented with powered vehicles as early as 1897, choosing electric over gasoline engines. While it attempted to manufacture its own electric vehicles from 1902 to 1912, the company entered into a distribution agreement with two manufactures of gasoline powered vehicles, Garford of Elyria, Ohio, and the Everett-Metzger-Flanders (E-M-F) Company of Detroit.

Under the agreement with Studebaker, Garford would receive completed chassis and drivetrains from Ohio and then mate them with Studebaker built bodies which were sold under the Studebaker-Garford brand name, and at a premium price. Eventually, even the Garford built engines began to carry the Studebaker name. However Garford also built a limited number of cars under its own name, and by 1907 attempted to increase their production at the expense of Studebaker. Once Studebaker discovered what was going on with their partner, John Moehler Studebaker enforced their primacy clause, forcing Garford back onto the scheduled production quotas. The decision to drop the Garford was made and the final product rolled off of the assembly line by 1911, leaving Garford to try it alone until it was acquired by John North Willys in 1913.

point 2: yes but who controlls them??

Point 3: the government??? when the oil companies pay pennies on the dollar on royalities of oil derived from GOVERNMENT OWNED LAND??? you might want to research that a little closer...

Point 4: by installing "Black boxes" that record the miles driven over a month or converting all public roads to TOLL ROADS and eliminating ALL FUEL TAXES

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#45 Feb 16, 2007
Tree Hugger wrote:
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I understand the arguement that the big 3 will work to stop electric car.But in all fairness they are crippled. GM and Ford are just about powerless.
I do not know history of electric car. I do know that Germany has companies capable of developeing the motors and batteries.
Back to first thought. Who profitts the most from fossil fuels? The federal government ( follow the money)
HOw will government tax electric cars?
GM had a great electric car (I worked on it). http://ev1-club.power.net/

They were all crushed at the end of the lease.

GM decided to make money on SUVs, and now you see where they are at.

Now they are trying to make a plug-in hybrid.

http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#46 Feb 16, 2007
I want, I REALLY want GM and Chrysler or Ford to survive, but they've dug a big pit. They need to change.

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#47 Feb 16, 2007
PS - A lot of people in the 70s whined when the gas companies had to get rid of tetraethyl lead in gasoline. Lead. Bad. Now they are whining about hybrids (Rush Limbaugh is one of the louder morons who hate hybrids). It means that some people have vested interests in the status quo.
Darwin Award Official

Birmingham, AL

#48 Feb 17, 2007
Dana Curtis Kincaid wrote:
PS - A lot of people in the 70s whined when the gas companies had to get rid of tetraethyl lead in gasoline. Lead. Bad. Now they are whining about hybrids (Rush Limbaugh is one of the louder morons who hate hybrids). It means that some people have vested interests in the status quo.
I guess that Gush Windbag[Rush Limbaugh] has never driven a LEXUS Hybrid LS 600h real nice car and QUIET..... has real good pickup and gets 30MPG the ordinary V12 that you might find in Mercedes or BMW might get 10MPG if you're lucky

http://www.lexus.com/2008lsh_prelaunch/lsh_po...
Darwin Award Official

Birmingham, AL

#49 Feb 17, 2007
Dana Curtis Kincaid wrote:
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GM had a great electric car (I worked on it). http://ev1-club.power.net/
They were all crushed at the end of the lease.
GM decided to make money on SUVs, and now you see where they are at.
Now they are trying to make a plug-in hybrid.
http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/
the Chevy VOLT has been on the drawing board since the 1970's....

When I lived in Indianapolis there was a team of Scientists and Engineers from GE and GM that tested a Diesel-Electric hybrid that resembles the Chevy VOLT in August of 1977 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.... I wonder if the Indianapolis Star sill has a copy of the Story that appeared in the Indianapolis NEWS then....
Gone n Glad

Russell Springs, KY

#50 Feb 17, 2007
Let's see, Toyota announced recently that they are offering deep discounts and other incentives in an attemp to jump start their infamous Prius. Seems all the "global warming" and "Jetson's" crowd got their dream car and now the market is facing a bit more of a challenge. Truth about average mileage and what is reported to be a 10 year plus breakeven is keeping mainstream car buyers away.

Electric is the wave of future. Hey Dana, you've never answered the question from a related thread. Where does all this electricity come from? When I mentioned nuclear power, you made some smart a** remark about the size of submarines. The truth is electric motors have been used effectively for a hundred years. The biggest challenge is in battery technology. Believe it or not those batteries we find at the store don't get manufactured with their charge of juice. The real beauty of electric motors is that they can harness power from oil, coal, hydo, wind etc. You still have to produce the electricity and then you have to store it.

If you're such a brainiac, invent something or at least invest in the people who are trying. There is nothing futuristic about electric motors, just how to harness the juice for them.

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