Ethanol plant plans dropped

Ethanol plant plans dropped

There are 49 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 5, 2007, titled Ethanol plant plans dropped. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

South Dakota-based ethanol producer Broin Cos. has pulled plans to build a plant in Wells County.

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Citizen

Muncie, IN

#1 Feb 5, 2007
The tree huggers will be happy now, anyway. They will be even happier (unfortunately) if the other locations also shut down.
DWDC

Secaucus, NJ

#2 Feb 5, 2007
With over 300 ethanol plants being built as we speak, corn prices have surged. Most of these plants are pre-buying in the futures markets to ensure they have adequate supplies of corn when they open operations. This is the reason for pulling the project. Without cost management around the grain prices, building a multi-million dollar ethanol plant is not a wise decision. The American farmer will adjust by raising additional corn crops, but this is not completed over night. However, I do believe our future contains large amounts of ethanol. At least I hope so, I am tired of depending on the middle east for our energy.

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#3 Feb 5, 2007
Citizen wrote:
The tree huggers will be happy now, anyway. They will be even happier (unfortunately) if the other locations also shut down.
Tree huggers... When you can't make a valid, reasonable argument, fall back on name calling without references or further info.

Sigh...
Bubba Gump

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Feb 5, 2007
And it's a shame that some farmers already sold most of their land to these cookie cutter home builders!! It's about time the farmers of Indiana got a reasonable price for their crops!

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#5 Feb 5, 2007
PS "Citizen":

I think everyone wants to move away from oil. The "tree huggers" most of all I am certain. However, ethanol is NOT the end-all be-all. Using land that would be better used for food production and turning it into land that is used for vegetables to be turned into alcohol to burn in internal combustion engines is stupid and silly. Corn is not an environmentally healthy crop, not the way it is grown, and it takes a lot out of the soil. It also consumes water.

Ethanol is nothing but a stopgap. Internal combustion engines are dinosaurs that should have been on the way out forty years ago. The only reason we are still using the silly antiques en masse is because the auto industry and the oil industry wanted their continued use.
pcnot

United States

#6 Feb 5, 2007
Takes more total energy to produce a gallon of corn based ethanol than is obtained by burning the ethanol. Question: why is anybody building an ethanol plant? Could it be politics?
Reflection

Piqua, OH

#7 Feb 5, 2007
Sooo... it's okay to send your cash to an oil sheik, but the thought of a rich American farmer makes you sick?

Weird

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#8 Feb 5, 2007
pcnot wrote:
Takes more total energy to produce a gallon of corn based ethanol than is obtained by burning the ethanol. Question: why is anybody building an ethanol plant? Could it be politics?
Well... Politcians are idiots, and as we have seen, political hacks are not only an evolutionary dead end, they are wedding to special interests. Special interests = factory farms, people who make money on farm subsidies, people who make the equipment to harvest the crops, politicians who benefit from the farm subsidy benefits...

It's vaguely amusing that the people who wanted prohibition and their descendants now are gung ho for making alcohol in bulk so we can burn it in the same V8 dinosaurs that people used to run moonshine in.

What a crock.

If the big auto companies go out of business perhaps something more sensible will evolve to take their place.
jej

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Feb 5, 2007
Get A WillieDiesel franchise near 69 then. It will sell and be competitive.

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#10 Feb 5, 2007
PS - We don't need farm land used for corn to burn in cars. We don't need farm land for Wal-Marts.

We need farm land for food. We need water to grow crops that people EAT. We don't need farm land used to satisfy a vague feel good need to stick it to the Arabs.

Some ethanol production is good. Becoming dependant on it is just as silly as sailing giant ships full of crude oil to the US coasts.

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#11 Feb 5, 2007
Reflection wrote:
Sooo... it's okay to send your cash to an oil sheik, but the thought of a rich American farmer makes you sick?
Weird
Sound bites don't work on a web board. Go peddle your propaganda on the Rush Limbaugh or Greg Garrison show, if you can get a word in edgewise.

"Farmers" don't get rich. Megacorps who practice factory farming do.
Northern Lights

Mishawaka, IN

#12 Feb 5, 2007
pcnot wrote:
Takes more total energy to produce a gallon of corn based ethanol than is obtained by burning the ethanol. Question: why is anybody building an ethanol plant? Could it be politics?
Yes.. Politics... and with that comes tax incentives... and government subsidies... You don't have to make a plant work to get money from the Feds... you only have to make a plant.
Northern Lights

Mishawaka, IN

#13 Feb 5, 2007
Reflection wrote:
Sooo... it's okay to send your cash to an oil sheik, but the thought of a rich American farmer makes you sick?
Weird
No... but $10 for a loaf of bread.. does... the market for corn sweetners will go up... and everything with corn sweetners will get more expensive... not to speak of corn itself... Not to mention that at best Ethanol is only 80% as efficient as petrolum based fuels. Not to mention that Ethanol still produces toxins into the air... including greenhouse gases...
Amusing

Evansville, IN

#14 Feb 5, 2007
An improvement, but I think ethanol is overrated.

I prefer not paying for energy in general. That's why I prefer electric//hybrid vehicles and biodiesel.

Would love to see Chrysler buy out the remaining few rights from Delorian motors, and make Delorian Hybrids using the same frame and body. That would make my day!
individual

San Jose, CA

#15 Feb 5, 2007
The pale of government hangs heavy over any business operating in Indiana or interested in operating in Indiana. The tax take is simply too onerous. Ethanol business is one that only exists because of heavy government subsidy. Another mistake of government. But would have thought when you're in bed with government, you like to be around government. Guess Broin thinks otherwise.
individual

San Jose, CA

#16 Feb 5, 2007
Reflection wrote:
Sooo... it's okay to send your cash to an oil sheik, but the thought of a rich American farmer makes you sick?
Weird
The 'oil shiek' is offering a product on the market, ie. gasoline. I can buy or not. As to the government taking monies from one and handing to another, that' not only wrong, it's morally wrong. Makes no difference if a farmer or a project dwelling welfare queen. This subsidy of ethanol by federal government has found the likes of Lugar and others falling over one another to throw monies at ethanol. Fact is it takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel to produce a gallon of fuel from ethanol. It's simple math but Lugar and his cronies ignore. After-all it's not their monies. It's the taxpayers being duped by their morally corrupt stewardship.
MamboSauce

United States

#17 Feb 5, 2007
Amusing wrote:
I prefer not paying for energy in general. That's why I prefer electric//hybrid vehicles and biodiesel.

Would love to see Chrysler buy out the remaining few rights from Delorian motors, and make Delorian Hybrids using the same frame and body. That would make my day!
How is biodiesel and electric/hybrid type energy free?

Also, do you know how much the DMC frame and SS body weighs? A bit more that would be optimal for an 'efficient' alt. energy car.

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#18 Feb 5, 2007
Amusing wrote:
An improvement, but I think ethanol is overrated.
I prefer not paying for energy in general. That's why I prefer electric//hybrid vehicles and biodiesel.
Would love to see Chrysler buy out the remaining few rights from Delorian motors, and make Delorian Hybrids using the same frame and body. That would make my day!
Deloreans are 1980s tech. Go with Lotus if you are interested in interesting construction and light weight.

Four electric motors, couple of batteries and a smart OS in a carbon/aluminum chassis... Very sexy.
Mike

Clarksville, IN

#19 Feb 5, 2007
These ethanol plants are a waste. Your not really saving anything. Poor gas mileage. I agree biodiesle is th best way to go if your serious about saving energy and better gas mileage.

“I'd b surfing if I wasn't here”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis

#21 Feb 5, 2007
Mike wrote:
These ethanol plants are a waste. Your not really saving anything. Poor gas mileage. I agree biodiesle is th best way to go if your serious about saving energy and better gas mileage.
I tend to agree. Diesels can be made to burn almost anything, and if you can get the particulate output down (and getting away from oil based diesel helps) they are pretty kewl. They also last longer unless they are gas engines converted to diesel, which is what GM tried to do in the 80s as I recall...

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