Vandals puncture tires at Bluffton ar...

Vandals puncture tires at Bluffton armory

There are 13 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jun 9, 2007, titled Vandals puncture tires at Bluffton armory. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Vandals cut through a barbed wire fence surrounding an Indiana National Guard armory and punctured tires on several military vehicles, police said.

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Huh

United States

#1 Jun 9, 2007
This is some secure ARMORY! They just leave and ARMORY unguarded? A measly wire fence was the security. What else was in this armory that could have been taken had these people wanted to do more? Guns and ammo I bet. Come on military people set a better example.
Johnny

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jun 9, 2007
Where were the parents?
old fashioned values

AOL

#3 Jun 9, 2007
When they catch the bittle lastards, give 'em two choices - go to jail or go to the nearest recruiters office.

“Macte Nova Virtute”

Since: May 07

Bravo Battery

#4 Jun 9, 2007
Huh wrote:
This is some secure ARMORY! They just leave and ARMORY unguarded? A measly wire fence was the security. What else was in this armory that could have been taken had these people wanted to do more? Guns and ammo I bet. Come on military people set a better example.
First, there aren't sufficient personnel to provide 24/7 security and guard duty. As a former member of the Indiana Guard Reserve (not the National Guard) I know from first hand experience that additional manpower (Indiana Guard Reserve) is required to augment the thinly stretched National Guard Military Police. The majority are overseas, and there are not enough prior military volunteers to assist by joining the IGE.

The "wire fence" is razor wire atop standard chain link, but with the cover of darkness and plenty of time, standard tools can cut through this device, which is meant to deter, not permanently keep out interlopers. Even a brick wall would not have prevented this without a high cost electronic security system.

Yes, there are probably weapons and ammunitions on the site, but these are kept secured in an armory, which is more difficult to access and under lock and key, like a bank vault.

Second, the military personnel already are setting a good example. The lack of manpower is not something under the control of local armories and National Guard personnel. These folks work for peanuts and are subject to high risk and tons of criticism for situations not of their making. Please keep this in mind while you enjoy your freedom and relaxing weekends.

From a Veteran:
6th Bn 16th Arty, 8th Bn 17th Arty, 1966 - 1972
IGR Support Command 2001 - 2003
Macte Nova Virtute
Kumar

Brownsburg, IN

#5 Jun 9, 2007
At least we know where Osama's been hanging out lately.

“When is recess”

Since: Mar 07

Down home in Greene County

#6 Jun 9, 2007
Ditto to what he said, the weapons and amo are deep inside an area as secure as a bank vault. I am sure the vandals forgot about the cameras not in place.
This is coming from Indiana National Guard 1971-1978, Linton Indiana, 81mm mortar platoon - forward observer. Some people just do not get it, no eyes wide open vision, just narrow minds and looking to blame rather than help. One day it will come out W is right.
Samuel L Clemens wrote:
<quoted text>
First, there aren't sufficient personnel to provide 24/7 security and guard duty. As a former member of the Indiana Guard Reserve (not the National Guard) I know from first hand experience that additional manpower (Indiana Guard Reserve) is required to augment the thinly stretched National Guard Military Police. The majority are overseas, and there are not enough prior military volunteers to assist by joining the IGE.
The "wire fence" is razor wire atop standard chain link, but with the cover of darkness and plenty of time, standard tools can cut through this device, which is meant to deter, not permanently keep out interlopers. Even a brick wall would not have prevented this without a high cost electronic security system.
Yes, there are probably weapons and ammunitions on the site, but these are kept secured in an armory, which is more difficult to access and under lock and key, like a bank vault.
Second, the military personnel already are setting a good example. The lack of manpower is not something under the control of local armories and National Guard personnel. These folks work for peanuts and are subject to high risk and tons of criticism for situations not of their making. Please keep this in mind while you enjoy your freedom and relaxing weekends.
From a Veteran:
6th Bn 16th Arty, 8th Bn 17th Arty, 1966 - 1972
IGR Support Command 2001 - 2003
Macte Nova Virtute

“When is recess”

Since: Mar 07

Down home in Greene County

#7 Jun 9, 2007
Huh wrote:
This is some secure ARMORY! Come on military people set a better example.
Have you ever been in the Military or known anybody?
Huh

United States

#8 Jun 9, 2007
Samuel L Clemens wrote:
<quoted text>
First, there aren't sufficient personnel to provide 24/7 security and guard duty. As a former member of the Indiana Guard Reserve (not the National Guard) I know from first hand experience that additional manpower (Indiana Guard Reserve) is required to augment the thinly stretched National Guard Military Police. The majority are overseas, and there are not enough prior military volunteers to assist by joining the IGE.
The "wire fence" is razor wire atop standard chain link, but with the cover of darkness and plenty of time, standard tools can cut through this device, which is meant to deter, not permanently keep out interlopers. Even a brick wall would not have prevented this without a high cost electronic security system.
Yes, there are probably weapons and ammunitions on the site, but these are kept secured in an armory, which is more difficult to access and under lock and key, like a bank vault.
Second, the military personnel already are setting a good example. The lack of manpower is not something under the control of local armories and National Guard personnel. These folks work for peanuts and are subject to high risk and tons of criticism for situations not of their making. Please keep this in mind while you enjoy your freedom and relaxing weekends.
From a Veteran:
6th Bn 16th Arty, 8th Bn 17th Arty, 1966 - 1972
IGR Support Command 2001 - 2003
Macte Nova Virtute
You are right, it makes sense. When I wrote my post I forgot Bush sent everybody to Iraq. Nobody left to mind the homeland. My apologies.
Bang

United States

#9 Jun 9, 2007
Put snipers on the roof and shoot the litle bas#$%^& !!
Huh

United States

#10 Jun 9, 2007
Samuel L Clemens wrote:
<quoted text>
First, there aren't sufficient personnel to provide 24/7 security and guard duty. As a former member of the Indiana Guard Reserve (not the National Guard) I know from first hand experience that additional manpower (Indiana Guard Reserve) is required to augment the thinly stretched National Guard Military Police. The majority are overseas, and there are not enough prior military volunteers to assist by joining the IGE.
The "wire fence" is razor wire atop standard chain link, but with the cover of darkness and plenty of time, standard tools can cut through this device, which is meant to deter, not permanently keep out interlopers. Even a brick wall would not have prevented this without a high cost electronic security system.
Yes, there are probably weapons and ammunitions on the site, but these are kept secured in an armory, which is more difficult to access and under lock and key, like a bank vault.
Second, the military personnel already are setting a good example. The lack of manpower is not something under the control of local armories and National Guard personnel. These folks work for peanuts and are subject to high risk and tons of criticism for situations not of their making. Please keep this in mind while you enjoy your freedom and relaxing weekends.
From a Veteran:
6th Bn 16th Arty, 8th Bn 17th Arty, 1966 - 1972
IGR Support Command 2001 - 2003
Macte Nova Virtute
You are right. When I wrote my post I forgot that Bush shipped everybody to Iraq. Nobody left to mind the homeland. My apologies.
Angela INARNG Soldier

United States

#11 Jun 11, 2007
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right. When I wrote my post I forgot that Bush shipped everybody to Iraq. Nobody left to mind the homeland. My apologies.
For some reason that still doesn't sound too sincere. Not all of us are gone, and while some of us myself included will be deploying there are still soldiers left on the homefront. If you researched the military a bit more you would realize that slashing a humvee's tires was about all the vandals could do, as everything is secured. They couldn't even steal one if they tried.
the original QS

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Jun 11, 2007
Samuel L Clemens wrote:
<quoted text>
First, there aren't sufficient personnel to provide 24/7 security and guard duty. As a former member of the Indiana Guard Reserve (not the National Guard) I know from first hand experience that additional manpower (Indiana Guard Reserve) is required to augment the thinly stretched National Guard Military Police. IGR Support Command 2001 - 2003
Please, don't mention the IGR in the same breath as the National Guard. What good would a bunch of misfit losers like the IGR be able to do for security anyway? They aren't trusted with weapons - which considering some of the idiots they have, is definitely a good thing.

A state defense force would be a good idea, but you'd need to flush the turds that are floating in the bowl of the IGR right now and institute PT tests, weight standards, background checks, and some actual training in order for anyone to take them seriously.
yeah yeah

Albany, GA

#13 Oct 24, 2009
who cares if you want to go protect and sign your life away to the government go ahead. give me freedom, hell i got my freedom the day i was born and i will protect myself but not this country. corrupt and evil.

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