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GA Mtn Mama

Morrison, TN

#41 Sep 19, 2011
Wow, I won't call you or your statement stupid, but...

I agree with you on keeping our tax dollars here, but I personally think you are dreaming if you really believe that the extra in revenues will go toward anything that "makes sense"! The more we have the more we spend & not on "common sense" things either!!! Look at our govt from the president all the way to our commission chairman... What have any of them spent money on lately that was based on "common sense" & the will of the majority???
As for bringing 150 + jobs, I think you are mistaken there as well. Walmart has contractors that travel across the country to build just for them, as do most large corporations. When the construction starts on the new fieldhouse at the high school, go up by there and see how many Fannin Co license plates you see that are working construction. I can already tell you that you won't see any, just like when the stadium was built, there were NO local people on the jobsite! I questioned the school board about this & their response was that nobody local "got the
bid". Why is that, I don't know, I suppose the
local guys' bid may have come in slightly higher,
but the co that got the bid came in over budget
and the school system paid more in the long run
anyway!
Moat of the positions at a walmart will be filled,
first by current walmart employees
who live in Fannin, but are working in Ellijay,
Murphy, or Blairsville already so there will be
vacancies at the other stores. Then you can bet
that the few "Mom & Pop" stores that are left will
surely be impacted & will probably close, so they
few cashiers/employees that they do have, will
need a job. Those aren't "new" jobs, they are "replacement" jobs.
I believe that we, as a community, need to quit putting our "hope & trust" into people, businesses or liquor licenses to "save" us from ourselves! We need to really consider who we elect to spend our hard earned money! 2012 is quickly approaching & I believe we should come together as a community and "look out for our own"! 
Overdrive

Ellijay, GA

#42 Sep 19, 2011
What Dribble you say!!! You sound like a good ole liberal,got the answer to a question that only you have asked and then you do not provide an adequate answer to the question you are not sure you asked in the first place, but you certainly do know the answer to the original question that was asked only by you in the first place.
You evidently do not understand basic economics at all and you do not have any facts to back it up.
A Wal-Mart super Center employes approximately 300 people at the store not to be left out the support personnel of a major shopping center to include local vendors for all sorts of maintenance, food products, electricians, painters and plumbers that do work long after the store is built.
Oh but! you have all the answers to date, you just failed to tell us what they were. You can do a much better job as you state so lets hear your flash!
It is true that several companies do build the stores, I am sure that you can see the advantage of that. But they do buy most of their products to build the store locally. Why did no local companies get the contract to build the stadium. Can't answer that one except that if the local companies have a hard a time at finding someone that will actually work an 8 hour day as I do then that might be a reason. I get calls every day from someone that really really needs to work. Then they need an advance to buy the baby milk the first day they show up, the second day they have to take their wife, girlfriend, baby, mother or aunt to the doctor, in Atlanta. The third day the car or truck broke down or the repo man came and got it, Thursday they do show up at 9:30 for a day that started at 7:00 for everyone else and then have to leave at 3:00 to pick up their wife, girlfriend from work or kids at school and then on Friday they show up at 7:00 and work all day and now they have 12 - 14 hours in and when they get paid raise hell like it's my fault that they don't have much of a paycheck and to hell with me they don't need a job that only pays this for a whole week.
GA Mtn Mama

United States

#43 Sep 19, 2011
LOL!!! I never claimed to have any answers!! I too own a small business & I feel your pain of finding employees willing to actually work & yes I have experienced the same scenario that you describe. As a side note... Do you have any idea why Target decided not to locate to Fannin County??? When they were looking here (04-06), their HR dept Did their homework & interviewed medium to large( for our area at that time) business owners in the tri-state area, went to the dept of labor, chamber... & keep in mind, that was before the real estate/construction sector tanked. Target based their decision on the lack of ready, willing, able, dependable skilled workers!!! That should have been an eye opener for "the powers that be" in our community, but it fell on deaf ears! Instead we hear the chants of "alcohol will save us all", that will bring in restaraunts & more jobs.... Now that hasn't worked, so it's "liquor by the drink" that is going to bring in all these things... News flash.... None of the "chain" places are going to locate here until our weekly traffic count reaches a certain #. & I would bet that HR dept's for these corporation probably do more communicating & the word is out about our work force pool!

I really don't have the answers, but I wish I did! All I know is that what we've been doing isn't working, so why keep the same people on office? Maybe this thread will get people talking POSITIVELY about solutions & answers instead of the same ole BS!!

The funniest thing is that I am FAR from a liberal!! As for buying the material locally... Walmart will buy from Lowes, so locally in the tri-state area I suppose!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#44 Sep 19, 2011
Walmart will competitively bid for a general contractor.A local with the right experience, capabilities and bid price could be awarded the contract. Construction materials will be procured by the general contractor and price and specs will be primary criteria.
Walmart monitors construction and the general contractor will be strictly held to contract terms and conditions. Most contracts are awarded firm fixed price and strict schedule controlled by CPM.
Changes will be added to the contract and schedule, overruns will not, missed schedule penalties will be enforced as applicable.
uuuhh Not

Clover, SC

#45 Sep 19, 2011
agree wrote:
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I agree. UCB will be foreclosing on everyone and then the govt will be closing them down also by 2013 the latest.
Think again! If UCB was going to be "shut down," I don't think the FDIC would be asking them to take over more banks AND they've made a nice profit in the last quarter. UCB is going to be just fine.
Care Giver

United States

#46 Sep 19, 2011
I think there are enough Walmart's in the surrounding counties!! If you want to see what the economy + Walmart can do to a town take a spin around the "round about" in Ellijay, almost all the shops are closed!!
I like Kroger my father shopped at one for as long as I can remember.
But if Blue Ridge was going to open another super-center like all the surrounding counties, it should have opened something different like a
Target, bc then it would have at least brought in ppl from the other towns wanting something other than Walmart!!!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#47 Sep 19, 2011
Care Giver wrote:
I think there are enough Walmart's in the surrounding counties!! If you want to see what the economy + Walmart can do to a town take a spin around the "round about" in Ellijay, almost all the shops are closed!!
I like Kroger my father shopped at one for as long as I can remember.
But if Blue Ridge was going to open another super-center like all the surrounding counties, it should have opened something different like a
Target, bc then it would have at least brought in ppl from the other towns wanting something other than Walmart!!!
Not a bad idea, however it isn't Blue Ridge that is opening a new store it is each Corporation that decides where and if they want to build a new store.
Overdrive

Ellijay, GA

#48 Sep 19, 2011
Mtn Mama, Did not call you a liberal, don't know you near well enough to cuss you that bad. Did not know about the possible Target deal, but your scenario certainly could ring true. But you are most right in that any HR department is going to look at traffic count and able work force. If there are not enough in the work force to handle the jobs that will be created then guess what? Siemens right now needs to hire over 3000 people but they cannot find enough people that are even smart enough or willing enough to just take their entrance exam, and these are high paying technical jobs that require a lot of math and engineering.
I, most likely drink more than the average person, but drink is in no way going to be any type of savior for any community. It is a good means of a draw,but it in itself will never lower your taxes or bring in more jobs or even build any business. There are many locales that are depended on tourism and that is a high market. I am like you in wondering why, if this is so good for some cities, then why do we have to try and reinvent the wheel. The local leaders are more concerned about saving fifty cents on a cell phone bill or making sure somebody does not get something someone else has received. They don't even see any alarm in that the library has to be shoved over in a corner somewhere and have some kind of crazy hours that the folks that actually need the library find it hard to use it. Your statement about local leaders only lacks one thing. They are local, but they could not lead anyone out of a hole if it when downhill.
GA Mtn MaUSA

United States

#49 Sep 19, 2011
You are exactly right & it's really VERY sad b/c we really do have so much going for us! Hopefully they'll get their heads out of their *sses & do something constructive for a change!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#50 Sep 19, 2011
In 2011 Target has/will open 21 new stores in CONUS, none are in GA.
Parameters associated with Target stores. Target looks to attract younger more educated and affluent customers than Walmart. Median age of 41, median annual income $63,000, 80% college attendance and 40% college graduates.
Base line store, not a Super Target, is 135,000sq ft, employees 150 to 200.
Again, these are simple parameters there are many other evaluation points in determining where and when to build a new Target store.
Care Giver

United States

#51 Sep 20, 2011
Considering all of the ppl who own vacation homes on Lake Blue Ridge & surrounding areas of Blue Ridge I would think that should raise the income average!!! Bc I am sure they come to that by the taxes ppl pay in the area!!! That's just my thought!! Bc anything would be better than another Walmart, there is one in almost every surrounding county now.
Paladinhgwt wrote:
In 2011 Target has/will open 21 new stores in CONUS, none are in GA.
Parameters associated with Target stores. Target looks to attract younger more educated and affluent customers than Walmart. Median age of 41, median annual income $63,000, 80% college attendance and 40% college graduates.
Base line store, not a Super Target, is 135,000sq ft, employees 150 to 200.
Again, these are simple parameters there are many other evaluation points in determining where and when to build a new Target store.
GA Mtn Mama

United States

#52 Sep 20, 2011
Care Giver wrote:
Considering all of the ppl who own vacation homes on Lake Blue Ridge & surrounding areas of Blue Ridge I would think that should raise the income average!!! Bc I am sure they come to that by the taxes ppl pay in the area!!! That's just my thought!! Bc anything would be better than another Walmart, there is one in almost every surrounding county now.
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This is a very valid point. The only problem is that we have to have leaders in place that comprehend this as well! The demographic info is right from Target's website I'm sure, we have 2 people basically doing the same job for the county & I understand it would take some work, but there would have to be a way to show information on our 2nd home ownership & their tax database! AgAin, you have to have the right people in place to gather this info & get it in the hands of the HR or RE division of these companies before they will even consider locating here!
I am not putting Stephanie or Melissa down, I'm just not sure why we have 2 people doing the same job though! Maybe this thread will help educate people as to what should be taking place in order for things to change around here!
Thank you to all the positive points on here!
Overdrive

Ellijay, GA

#53 Sep 20, 2011
GA Mtn Mama wrote:
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This is a very valid point. The only problem is that we have to have leaders in place that comprehend this as well! The demographic info is right from Target's website I'm sure, we have 2 people basically doing the same job for the county & I understand it would take some work, but there would have to be a way to show information on our 2nd home ownership & their tax database! AgAin, you have to have the right people in place to gather this info & get it in the hands of the HR or RE division of these companies before they will even consider locating here!
I am not putting Stephanie or Melissa down, I'm just not sure why we have 2 people doing the same job though! Maybe this thread will help educate people as to what should be taking place in order for things to change around here!
Thank you to all the positive points on here!
Are you a member of the Chamber? Sounds like yes. I can understand your question completely. Not sure I have an answer as to yes it is right and good or is it not. I have however, been a member of the Albany, Dougherty County Ga. Chamber, Memphis, Tn, Orlando, Fl. Columbus, Ga. Panama City, Fl. Jacksonville, Fl and Pensacola, Fl Chambers, and I can say that the Blue Ridge Chamber is as hard a working chamber as I have ever been a member of. I sometimes see and get the feeling that the local merchants are sometimes their own biggest problem. Open late, close early. Most of the eateries want to be a high dollar fancy place where a good diner or some sports bars or even an Irish pub could do very well. Don't misread what I am saying. There are some fine places, I just think the diversity is lacking.
forestman

Hotchkiss, CO

#54 Sep 20, 2011
Kroger has withdrawn. I have heard around Fannin that the proposed land is soon to be a bank sale
GA Mtn Mama

United States

#55 Sep 20, 2011
Yes I am a member of the chamber & yes I tend to agree w/you about the businesses being "their own worse enemies". Take a walk downtown & the very store owners that complain the most/loudest are the very stores that open at 10:30 & close @ 5:00 & aren't open but 3-4 days a week! Why isn't there someone( the city has a volunteer liaison now) from the chamber going to the business owners & telling them these things? I totally agree that we have a hard-working bunch over there... We just all need to get on the same page!! When I see that we are hosting state tournaments for baseball,basketball... & I know how much that brings into our co in revenue, but I don't see any banners or anything welcoming these "visitors" to our area. I just can't figure out why the "powers that be" can't get together as a collective group to promote our great county. It's as if they are afraid one dept or group might get more recognition or glory than another.
I know that Jan has information & feedback from visitors & I'm sure it is the same complaints/valid points that you bring up... But that information should be getting to the business owners so that we can make adjustments here & there.
John

Jasper, GA

#56 Nov 13, 2012
I work for Walmart and the Blue Ridge store is happening. It already appears in our store list. It's slated to open early in 2014.
Orion

Morganton, GA

#57 Nov 14, 2012
Do not forget that BR forced HD to keep salaries at min. wage so as not to compete w/ local businesses.......should make u think
You are nuts

Ellijay, GA

#58 Nov 16, 2012
Orion wrote:
Do not forget that BR forced HD to keep salaries at min. wage so as not to compete w/ local businesses.......should make u think
Some of you folks just do not seem to think at all before putting your mouth in gear! No one can force a company to keep their wages low to keep competition down. And then, you make it sound as though keeping wages low is the best thing that ever happened. Yes you did! There are scores of employees at Home Depot that average better than $12.00 an hour and a very few are over $50,00.00 a year.
The average hourly wage at Walmart is just over $11.00 an hour. That's right, in the great scheme of things that salary sucks! But guess what, those of you lazy asses that are not going to work, it does not matter how much is paid in wages, your sorry ass is not going to be there anyway. Walmart is building a store in Blue Ridge and they are going to hire on average 350 employees plus the outside vendors that keep the store in products and merchandise. It is good news, may not be great but it is progress as it is.
Local Observer

Blue Ridge, GA

#59 Nov 19, 2012
http://youtu.be/9IAFZP_4qMY

This is the sad & cold hard truth of the matter! We now live in a society who is content w/allowing the Fed govt to provide their basic needs(EBT). By the time taxes are paid $50,000 per year isn't even enough to "live on" b/c our priorities are so skewed!
This happened in GA on Fri.... I was in food Lion & witnessed customers becoming irate & yelling at cashiers b/c their "cards" wouldn't work!
http://m.naturalnews.com/news/038007_EBT_card...
It's time for "we the sheeple" to WAKE UP!!
Tools

Irvine, KY

#60 Mar 19, 2013
Yep wrote:
Well, my grandmother's cousin's best friend's stepdaughter's half brother's wife overheard that we are getting a Kroger, a Walmart, and a Target within the next three to ten years.
That be wonderful

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