Suffolk police labor officials under investigation

[Nonsense]

What were you thinking wrote:

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Yes I do have a lot to say. Your term SCAB is misleading and not an appropriate definition as to what has occurred. If you read all my posts than you know SCPD was pulled off. Abandoned on order of the commissioner. SCPD never STRIKED. Sheriff Demarco ordered, not asked deputies onto what was Abandoned. Get It! Oh yeah and I guess the state troopers would be scabs too if Patterson sent them down. Here's a little more help for you.
A strikebreaker (also called scab or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who are not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired prior to or during the strike to keep production or services going. "Strikebreakers" may also refer to be workers (union members or not) who cross picket lines to work.
Strikebreakers are a worldwide phenomenon, often occurring wherever workers go on strike or engage in job actions that slow down or stop the delivery of goods and/or services. However, strikebreakers are used far more frequently in the United States than in any other industrialized country.[
No picket lines to cross. No voluntary actions. All deputies were employed by Suffolk County before SCPD was pulled. COME WITH A BETTER TERM! Yours doesn't cut it.
As for 1DC. 1 Sheriff put the CO'S in 1 took them out. Not Perb.
Get your facts straight. Deputies are real cops. That is there main function. They just have other functions as well which SCPO'S can't do. Unless of course youre talking about Fugitive Squad. They still bonded by the Sheriff? I hear that may not be for much longer. They get that same certificate you do. Have more authority, jurisdiction and powers of arrest than you do. They have been making arrests, giving out tickets, and helping people on those roads and all the other ones way before you even existed. Real Cop. Get real! There are about ten other agencies that do enforcement on those roads. Or did you forget about Suffolk County Park Police that are assigned there during the winter and inclement weather? PSST. Explain that to the perb arbitrator when stating about your exclusivity rights.
In closing my most likely SCPD Former HWY Guy or about to get burned 5th Pct Cop, try to work through your anger issues and stop trying to go after the deputies pension. It's making you guys look bad.

You bash suffolk cops, their union, take there positions which you are not qualified for and then say don't go after our pensions because that's wrong. Too bad. Blame your union leadership. They are going to retire most likely before it goes to 25 years but hey, you got to ride around on the LIE for a few months. Good trade off. Cuomo's office should have the official complaint in the near future which I'm sure Newsday will get a copy of. Good luck with that.

[What were you thinking]

Nonsense wrote:

<quoted text>You bash suffolk cops, their union, take there positions which you are not qualified for and then say don't go after our pensions because that's wrong. Too bad. Blame your union leadership. They are going to retire most likely before it goes to 25 years but hey, you got to ride around on the LIE for a few months. Good trade off. Cuomo's office should have the official complaint in the near future which I'm sure Newsday will get a copy of. Good luck with that.

Still angry hmmm. Too bad. It will be your undoing. I hope plenty of Suffolk county readers read your last post. It only helps the deputies cause and hurts yours. I fail to see where I bashed any SCPO'S. I did point out my displeasure on the tact your union is taking such as the open attack on the individual deputies pensions which you have so eloquently confirmed as true. Thank You. As for taking and I will repeat myself, dep's didn't take anything. Dormer ordered you off not the deputies or their union. DORMER did it. The deputies union didn't order Dep's on. DEMARCO ordered them on. DEMARCO did it. Oh and good luck with Cuomo. Yeah he's gonna get right on that after NYS retirement told your union to take a hike. Don't forget all the other Sheriff's agencies that would effect in this state. Not likely he would go there. Deputies have had the 20 year pension for 13 years now. Just a little late in your complaint. It will be seen for what it is by all including Cuomo. I think he will be a little busy dealing with the SCPBA's union board actions concerning the conservative party attempted takeover. Election Laws were broken and your union knows it. Hope for your sake Newsday doesn't get a copy. You guys have been loosing support already in the public this will vilify you. I think the dep's are going to be on there a lot longer than a few months. Heard your perb hearing has already been pushed back another month. Good luck to you and seek some help will ya. You sound like you need it.

[liner]

Run262 wrote:

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No doubt thw sheriffs are doing there best, but if they are as great as you suggest why to they depend on SCPD for;
1) Detectives for fatal and serious injury accidents?
2) SCPD Police Academy for training?
3) SCPD Emergency Services for hazmat and heavy rescue?
4) SCPD garage for impounds and safety checks?
5) SCPD for motor carrier and commercial vehicle violations?
Seems like the sheriffs only write tickets even though they don't have radars. True police work is transferred to the PD.

I'm not a cop, but even I can answer your questions:
#1 Do the eastend PDs have their own detectives?
#2 Do the eastend PDs have their own police academy?
#3 Do the eastend PDs have their own emergency services unit?
#4 Do the eastend PDs have their own impound garages?
#5 Do the eastend PDs have their own motor carrier units?
I suspect the answer to most of these is no.

So?

[Run262]

So we are now paying for 3 police depts along the LIE. Troopers, County, and now Sheriffs. This is a costly duplication of services, while SCPD still gets stuck with everything besides writing tickets. Levy ain't saving anyone a dime. His own County Legislature doesn't even deal with him anymore. Currently the sheriffs are expanding their personnel and vehicle fleet to meet the additional duties. They're purchasing 2 emergency service trucks although SCPD and the FD's have them 24/7.

East end agencies do provide their own detectives. The only time they call SCPD is for the technical services of homicide, arson, special victims, ID/Lab, academy, and helicoper. Even campus cops do their own impounds.

[Wyandanch]

If the Sheriff and the deps did nothing worng than why are they worried about losing their pensions? Park Police? Maybe they should take over 1st district court because they make less money than the deps.If the deps can do it to scpd than the pp can do it to the deps. You cant have it both ways Massapequa. No anger here, just stating the facts. When one union takes another unions work and the members dont speak out against it the are scabs, no matter what websters has to say about it. I guess according to you the deps are the ones handling all the 911 calls in the county also. Last time I called 911 SCPD showed up ,not a Dep(thank God). Explain what a cost savings this is when 99 out of the top 150 overtime earners in the county are deps and they only have 250 officers. Enjoy it now because soon the bizzaro world will be returned to normal and the LIE and sunrise will be safe to travel on again. Than maybe you can sound off about the NCPD and their 9 year contract and how Suozzi saw the light. Just a very concerned suffolk citizen here not HPB or a 5th pct po.But at least I do live in the county we are talking about.

[Barack in the day]

FRES wrote:

This is more proof of Jeff Frayler's thugery.

Pn my opinion you should ask Jeff about his infidelity at Brunswick Hospital back in the day. Talk about a stand up guy with character

[Wyandanch]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone Barack. The PBA didnt start the fight, but they are going to end it.

[What were you thinking]

Wyandanch wrote:

If the Sheriff and the deps did nothing worng than why are they worried about losing their pensions? Park Police? Maybe they should take over 1st district court because they make less money than the deps.If the deps can do it to scpd than the pp can do it to the deps. You cant have it both ways Massapequa. No anger here, just stating the facts. When one union takes another unions work and the members dont speak out against it the are scabs, no matter what websters has to say about it. I guess according to you the deps are the ones handling all the 911 calls in the county also. Last time I called 911 SCPD showed up ,not a Dep(thank God). Explain what a cost savings this is when 99 out of the top 150 overtime earners in the county are deps and they only have 250 officers. Enjoy it now because soon the bizzaro world will be returned to normal and the LIE and sunrise will be safe to travel on again. Than maybe you can sound off about the NCPD and their 9 year contract and how Suozzi saw the light. Just a very concerned suffolk citizen here not HPB or a 5th pct po.But at least I do live in the county we are talking about.

You sure have a lot to say from the danch. Never said the Sheriff did nothing wrong but the dep's sure as hell didn't. They were ORDERED and a lot of them didn't want to do it. So what does the scpba do. Bash them, attack them, threaten them, go after their pensions and what happens. They're all in to fight back because they know that know matter what they do the SCPBA wants to destroy them. You ask a stupid question. "If the Sheriff and the deps did nothing worng than why are they worried about losing their pensions? If the SCPBA thinks they can reclaim the hway's by somehow trying to invalidate the dep's 20 year pension they are sadly mistaken. They were a police agency before the 20 year bill. That will not change their status. No the scpba is doing it out of spite like school yard bullies that have been stood up too. All they have done is start a union war. No sense pretending anymore. It is what it is. If that gives the SCPBA satisfaction then go for it, but they should be prepared to be stung back.

[What were you thinking]

Wyandanch wrote:

If the Sheriff and the deps did nothing worng than why are they worried about losing their pensions? Park Police? Maybe they should take over 1st district court because they make less money than the deps.If the deps can do it to scpd than the pp can do it to the deps. You cant have it both ways Massapequa. No anger here, just stating the facts. When one union takes another unions work and the members dont speak out against it the are scabs, no matter what websters has to say about it. I guess according to you the deps are the ones handling all the 911 calls in the county also. Last time I called 911 SCPD showed up ,not a Dep(thank God). Explain what a cost savings this is when 99 out of the top 150 overtime earners in the county are deps and they only have 250 officers. Enjoy it now because soon the bizzaro world will be returned to normal and the LIE and sunrise will be safe to travel on again. Than maybe you can sound off about the NCPD and their 9 year contract and how Suozzi saw the light. Just a very concerned suffolk citizen here not HPB or a 5th pct po.But at least I do live in the county we are talking about.

Park Police Hmmm. Well all 38 of them might be thankful of your concern, but they will probably be used on the hways AGAIN for the winter like they have been in the past. In fact the Sheriff I hear encourages it. More than happy for the help. Plenty to go around. They are pretty close in salary to the dep's just have a few more steps so no real savings there. In case you don't know the parks guys and the dep's are all one happy union. Working together both in the union and on details together like the pine barrens enforcement. Just stating the facts.

[What were you thinking]

Wyandanch wrote:

If the Sheriff and the deps did nothing worng than why are they worried about losing their pensions? Park Police? Maybe they should take over 1st district court because they make less money than the deps.If the deps can do it to scpd than the pp can do it to the deps. You cant have it both ways Massapequa. No anger here, just stating the facts. When one union takes another unions work and the members dont speak out against it the are scabs, no matter what websters has to say about it. I guess according to you the deps are the ones handling all the 911 calls in the county also. Last time I called 911 SCPD showed up ,not a Dep(thank God). Explain what a cost savings this is when 99 out of the top 150 overtime earners in the county are deps and they only have 250 officers. Enjoy it now because soon the bizzaro world will be returned to normal and the LIE and sunrise will be safe to travel on again. Than maybe you can sound off about the NCPD and their 9 year contract and how Suozzi saw the light. Just a very concerned suffolk citizen here not HPB or a 5th pct po.But at least I do live in the county we are talking about.

I never said the deps are handeling all the 911 calls. What I will say is that they have been handeling themselves quite nicely. Yes, you can micromanage any dept. SCPD has it's blunders everyday too. You forget, they have been coming up on mva's, making vehicle stops, and arresting people on those roads a long time. Yes they would call scpd on accidents because they had too, were ordered too, but a good portion of the time that was for paper because they had already either moved the vehicles to the side of the road, or called for rescue making it nice and tidy for the hways when they did show up.
As for savings a comparison of a 10 year dep and po on a rotating shift with both sides benifits like holiday pay shows a dep comes to work for about 30,000 dollars less. At there overtime rate of about 54 an hour to the scpo's ot rate of about 86 a dep has to work 550 hours to match the base pay of a SCPO. I'm leaving out the fact of longer work hours per tour, less holidays, sick days, and overall less appearances. Dep's maybe the top overtime earners, but there not the top earners. The public's getting a bargain. I'll let you figure out the math on how many tours of Suffolk's finest the public would get a year for 550 hours times 280 and how much more police coverage that would mean. Until the Dep's reach scpd salaries and no arbitrator is going to give them a 30 k raise or give the needed 5's to your 3's just to keep even will you win the economic battle.

[What were you thinking]

Wyandanch wrote:

If the Sheriff and the deps did nothing worng than why are they worried about losing their pensions? Park Police? Maybe they should take over 1st district court because they make less money than the deps.If the deps can do it to scpd than the pp can do it to the deps. You cant have it both ways Massapequa. No anger here, just stating the facts. When one union takes another unions work and the members dont speak out against it the are scabs, no matter what websters has to say about it. I guess according to you the deps are the ones handling all the 911 calls in the county also. Last time I called 911 SCPD showed up ,not a Dep(thank God). Explain what a cost savings this is when 99 out of the top 150 overtime earners in the county are deps and they only have 250 officers. Enjoy it now because soon the bizzaro world will be returned to normal and the LIE and sunrise will be safe to travel on again. Than maybe you can sound off about the NCPD and their 9 year contract and how Suozzi saw the light. Just a very concerned suffolk citizen here not HPB or a 5th pct po.But at least I do live in the county we are talking about.

Yeah, those attorney's for the NCPD sure did get those boys a great contract. They sure know their stuff. They have been playing the game a long time and never seem to be wrong. Don't you agree? I guess that's why the dep's have them as their attorney's. I hear they're pretty confident in the upcoming battles. It seems SCPBA blew a gasket when the dep's attorney's filed on behalf of the deputies to be part of the perb action. It's already delayed it at least a month. By the way do you think Levy may have expected SCPBA to file a perb action? You really think he just did this blindly with no legal research and without consulting the counties attorney's of his chances of success? Doubtful. They're rolling the dice with a perb action. Hope for a hard six. You'll need it.

[What were you thinking]

Wyandanch wrote:

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone Barack. The PBA didnt start the fight, but they are going to end it.

Wrong, they have been starting fights since Frayler took over. Frayler has been throwing stones at the dep's for years. The dep's union didn't start this fight. They tried to sit it out just like the scpba did when the co's took 1dc. No wait, the scpba tried to help by giving money and putting up big billboards for Tish. How did that work out for them? You know it's not like this day wasn't going to come. The SCPBA had to know it would eventually happen. You can't leave another agency out there making so much less, but having more authority, jurisdiction and powers of arrest and not think that things can continue the way they are. That's why the SCPBA backed Tish. Because he promised to destroy the dep's by giving it all to the CO's. Make them a non factor by depleting their ranks. It's also why a good amount, not all, but a good amount of hwy po's were very unfriendly to dep's every time they met on the eway. They knew it too. Heard they tried to warn Frayler, but he wouldn't listen. I wouldn't be so confident the SCPBA will finish this. Way to early for that.

[What were you thinking]

Run262 wrote:

So we are now paying for 3 police depts along the LIE. Troopers, County, and now Sheriffs. This is a costly duplication of services, while SCPD still gets stuck with everything besides writing tickets. Levy ain't saving anyone a dime. His own County Legislature doesn't even deal with him anymore. Currently the sheriffs are expanding their personnel and vehicle fleet to meet the additional duties. They're purchasing 2 emergency service trucks although SCPD and the FD's have them 24/7.
East end agencies do provide their own detectives. The only time they call SCPD is for the technical services of homicide, arson, special victims, ID/Lab, academy, and helicoper. Even campus cops do their own impounds.

Guess what? The sheriff's office have their own Investigators too. Handle their own homicides as well as other crimes. Request their own warrants too. The sheriff's have their own impound yard, wreckers and garage. They even service other agencies vehicles at their garage. They have their own range which other agencies use and well I could go on and on of what they have but you get the idea. Duplication of services hardly. Why have the State PD down here at all then? Aren't they a duplication of services too. Your argument doesn't hold water. There are many agencies that operate within counties across the country let alone Suffolk County. Why have a SCPD that has less authority, jurisdiction, and powers of arrest than one that does. Seems to me the SCPD should never have been formed and it should have all gone to the Sheriff's office who through it's elected Sheriff answers directly to the tax payers. Remember the Deputies can go anywhere in the county. SCPD can't. The east end towns pay for services from SCPD Because of logistics nothing more. They did not give up their sole jurisdiction of their towns and villages to the SCPD. State PD and the Sheriff's always have and always will be able to walk, talk, chew gum, and police anywhere in the county.

[CARL MATTSON]

What were you thinking wrote:

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Guess what? The sheriff's office have their own Investigators too. Handle their own homicides as well as other crimes. Request their own warrants too. The sheriff's have their own impound yard, wreckers and garage. They even service other agencies vehicles at their garage. They have their own range which other agencies use and well I could go on and on of what they have but you get the idea. Duplication of services hardly. Why have the State PD down here at all then? Aren't they a duplication of services too. Your argument doesn't hold water. There are many agencies that operate within counties across the country let alone Suffolk County. Why have a SCPD that has less authority, jurisdiction, and powers of arrest than one that does. Seems to me the SCPD should never have been formed and it should have all gone to the Sheriff's office who through it's elected Sheriff answers directly to the tax payers. Remember the Deputies can go anywhere in the county. SCPD can't. The east end towns pay for services from SCPD Because of logistics nothing more. They did not give up their sole jurisdiction of their towns and villages to the SCPD. State PD and the Sheriff's always have and always will be able to walk, talk, chew gum, and police anywhere in the county.

Then why is Levy still keeping the SCPD? Disband them and lets move on!

[CARL MATTSON]

I hear that the deputies have new highway cars out. Is that true? I guess they are staying?

[merit and fitness]

I remember the challenge to the Suffolk Police Selection Device pointing out that the average grade in the Nassau Police Academy dropped from an 88 to an 81 when the candidates selected from a Justice Department imposed "selection device" (instead of a cognitive test with right and wrong answers) were actually graded at the academy.
Many of the plaintiffs in the last challenge to the Suffolk Selection Device were NYPD lieutenants, sergeants, and Suffolk Deputy Sheriffs who had passed cognitive based tests with the highest scores, but were coded on the Suffolk Police Selection Device as less than acceptable. Some of the plaintiffs had actually been valedictorians at the Suffolk Police Academy in their training classes, a few had been awarded heroism, combat and other commendations for actions on the job. One, I remember, actually ran the Comstat program for the NYPD. But no matter how well they did in actual policing, combat situations, developing crime fighting stategies, or other cognitive based civil service tests, they were unsuccessful on the "how many hours of sleep do you get a night?" sociological mumbo jumbo of the Suffolk Selection device.
I wonder if anyone has ever compared the Police Academy scores of the Deputy Sheriff candidates with the latest Justice Department approved (no grading of cognitive questions) Suffolk Police Selection Device candidates? My guess is the Deputy Sheriffs, who still have a cognitive based screening test, performed at the level of earlier police department classes hired on cognitive graded standards. In other words, they probably performed at the B Plus , A minus level of a superior cognitive based class (As the Nassau Academy class before Justice Department action) as opposed to the B minus C plus standards of a group comprised, as are the last number of Suffolk classes, from lottery selection practices(consistent with Nassau post Justice Department action).
I know the stories of the "extra help" , grade inflation and multiple tests made available to certain Suffolk Selection Device candidates, but even with that extra help, I would reasonably assume the results listed above remain correct. That being said, I would suggest the Suffolk Police get away from their superiority complex. The facts are the Justice Department imposed selection device brought the standards of cognitive ability (intelligence) for the SCPD down to that of a basic lottery. The Selection Device has ensured that the Academy will continue to have to deal with some talented candidates, some average, and some who should be nowhere near a gun or the ability to speed down a road to chase a broken tail light.
The contrast with the Sheriff's Department is stark, and it does not serve the Suffolk PBA to demand people take a closer look. Then again, maybe we should.

[I hate my Job]

I use love my job, I don't want your duties.
I can't even invite my wife to met me for coffee anymore.
We are scabs and are union behinds this.
Demarco F us and will move on sooner of later.
We will be left behind!
Any Deputy saying other wise is a liar.
I use to say hello to P.O., now they just look at me like a loser.
Great Job1
That the real truth, what will we win after all this BS?

[Kurt]

CARL MATTSON wrote:

What is wrong with these Suffolk Cops? Are they serious? Maybe they are not making enough money and want to beat the female and feel better.

The Suffolk County Police Union has to be dismantled by Federal Authority if the State does not do it. You could pay SCPD officers 1 million a year and it would still not be enough for them. They need to learn how to manage money and live at a lower standard as we all do. Furthermore, whatever their salaries are, they get more in perks and gifts from private business and other corrupt sources of income. It would not suprise me if they do not make more in "Freebies", than they do in salary. I have seen so much right in front of my face that it is time to bust the Unions even if Homeland Security has to be called in.