The Prophet of Garbage
Posted in the Blue Island Forum
#1 May 13, 2010
you hear only the side "they" want you to hear
"It all sounds far too good to be true. But the technology works. Over the past decade, half a dozen companies have been developing plasma technology to turn garbage into energy.“The best renewable energy is the one we complain about the most: municipal solid waste,” says Louis Circeo, the director of plasma research at the Georgia Institute of Technology.“It will prove cheaper to take garbage to a plasma plant than it is to dump it on a landfill.” A Startech machine that costs roughly $250 million could handle 2,000 tons of waste daily, approximately what a city of a million people amasses in that time span. Large municipalities typically haul their trash to landfills, where the operator charges a “tipping fee” to dump the waste. The national average is $35 a ton, although the cost can be more than twice that in the Northeast (where land is scarce, tipping fees are higher). And the tipping fee a city pays doesn’t include the price of trucking the garbage often hundreds of miles to a landfill or the cost of capturing leaky methane—a greenhouse gas—from the decomposing waste. In a city with an average tipping fee, a $250-million converter could pay for itself in about 10 years, and that’s without factoring in the money made from selling the excess electricity and syngas. After that break-even point, it’s pure profit.
Someday very soon, cities might actually make money from garbage
Please read more
get both sides new technology can Work !
#2 May 13, 2010
A 4,000-ton per day is a enormous financial risk for the city and county. The bonding will be about $600 million and the citizens and businesses will be responsible for paying the mortgage which will amount to over $1 billion over 20 years. Several communities already are facing bankruptcy due to non-performing incineration facilities. This risk is particularly risky given that no facility like it in the world has ever been built and operated. Plasma arc is an unproven technology, and size of scale up from pilot plant scale is inherently challenging. For this reason it has been rejected by several US cities and counties.
Further, this technology is an economic dead end. By using your capital to destroy raw materials that can be the basis of economic development is a significant opportunity cost.
Ten thousand tons of materials sent to such a plant would create about 1 job. These same materials recycled, composted and refurbished would require about 5% of the capital cost and create hundreds of jobs, new and expanded small businesses and an expanded tax base.
Blue Island facility will have under 30 jobs MAX. None coming from Blue Island.
#3 May 13, 2010
Robbins Incinerator was going to be pure profit.
Now look at Robbins.
#4 May 13, 2010
keep inflating figures and the gasoline engine was once unproven , you vastly underesimate the jobs and "New industries" this may create. the comarison to robbins incinerator does not hold water, those same people want us to keep purchasing oil for countries who are against us. again unproven does not make cut it here at least with me we need to explore this as a option just no shun it.
#5 May 13, 2010
"Further, this technology is an economic dead end. By using your capital to destroy raw materials that can be the basis of economic development is a significant opportunity cost."
we are desroying trash that would otherwise be in a landfill, LOL
An opertunity to use the biproduct as an energy.
"Ten thousand tons of materials sent to such a plant would create about 1 job. These same materials recycled, composted and refurbished would require about 5% of the capital cost and create hundreds of jobs, new and expanded small businesses and an expanded tax base."
is a laughable comment ! you do both!
#6 Nov 22, 2012
Feds ‘going down every rat hole’ in Jesse Jackson Jr. probe: source
Jesse Jackson Jr. in plea deal talks with feds, sources say
Don’t expect Jesse Jackson Jr. back in Congress: sources
Ald. Sandi Jackson misses budget vote
Jesse Jackson Jr. resigns from Congress, acknowledges federal investigation for first time
Updated: November 16, 2012 2:38AM
Federal authorities investigating U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. continue to “peel back layers of the onion” in the case, according to a source close to the financial probe who described it as an ongoing investigation.
The source said Thursday that federal investigators are “going down every rat hole,” and that the FBI crew investigating “is not yet finished digging.”
The federal probe, which began before Jackson took medical leave from Congress on June 10, first looked at activity in the congressman’s campaign fund. But it has since gone into other areas, said the source, who would not elaborate.
Broad, sweeping subpoenas were issued in the Jackson investigation, including on financial institutions that controlled Jackson accounts both in and out of Washington, D.C., the source said.
Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed reported last week that Jackson is in the midst of plea discussions.“No one has pled guilty, but plea discussions are ongoing,” a source told Sneed.
Meanwhile, investigators are also examining what role the congressman’s wife, Ald. Sandi Jackson (7th), played in the finances, but the source described the inquiry into her so far as a “normal” part of investigating a main target.
The Sun-Times first reported last month that the FBI in the Washington, D.C., field office had been investigating Jackson due to alleged “suspicious activity” in his finances.
The revelation came after Jackson checked into the Mayo Clinic, saying he suffered from bipolar depression. His 2nd District constituency, which includes some of the poorer areas of the city, has gone without representation since June.
Jackson has missed the first days of this week’s lame-duck session in Congress and people close to him say they don’t think he’s ever returning.
Jackson was temporarily back in Washington last month when he was spotted at a nightclub drinking with other women. He returned to the Mayo Clinic but was again released, the facility said Tuesday.
People close to Jackson said he is still getting treated on an out-patient basis.
Jackson did not campaign for reelection and still coasted to victory on Nov. 6.
#7 Nov 23, 2012
"The Hour Glass"
The wheels of Justice turn very slowly, but grind very fine.
#8 Nov 30, 2012
Jackson stating he is bipolar he has beat the system because of his mental health he will serve no time.
#9 Nov 30, 2012
Not if you get a good US Attorney prosecuting like Patrick Fitzgerald. If he were prosecuting the Jacksons, he would have Junior in general population getting bent over in the laundry room and wife Sandi would be a Dykes plaything.
#10 Nov 30, 2012
And you would know first hand, how was that for you?
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