New Garbage Incinerator for BI

New Garbage Incinerator for BI

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Phil

United States

#1 Jul 15, 2009
Mayor Don Peloquin wants to build a monster of a plant to dispose of garbage and generate electricity in Blue Island. It's a plasma arc gasification plant and would be the first of its kind in the country
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#2 Jul 15, 2009
I don't think Blue Island is the best place for that particular science experiment.
david

Niles, MI

#3 Jul 15, 2009
Phil,
I think you should investigate what plasma arc is before you make stupid comments..Makes you look bad..
BeenThereDoneTha t

Alsip, IL

#4 Jul 15, 2009
david wrote:
Phil,
I think you should investigate what plasma arc is before you make stupid comments..Makes you look bad..
David – What part of Phil’s comment was stupid? What part made him look bad? Phil’s comment of “that particular science experiment” sounds to me that he did investigate the topic and based his comment on that investigation because he is correct in his assumption.

Perhaps you would do well to investigate yourself, rather than making “stupid comments” and making yourself look “bad” on this board.

A good place for you to start would be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_arc_waste...

This article is written in very simplistic terms, read the entire article slowly, it should be easy for you to digest. If after reading it you still feel Phil’s comments were “stupid” and made him look bad, have someone read it out loud to you.

If you are at full mental function ability you should be able to ascertain and comprehend that the concept of plasma arc gasification is in fact still in experimental infancy or in more simple terms plasma arc gas plants are "currently in development".

This technology is in fact an “experiment” of physical “science”.

Peace
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#5 Jul 15, 2009
http://www.southtownstar.com/news/kadner/1666...

The URL above will link you to Phil Kadner's article-

A monster garbage plant for the suburbs?

"There would be as many as nine cylinders in the plant that Peloquin envisions, which would be built on a Blue Island landfill near 119th Street and Interstate 57.

The company that would build the plant, I.S. Inc., is new and has never constructed such a project, although its three principal officers have been involved in large construction projects all over the world.

Peloquin said the cost of the project, more than $400 million, would be financed through the sale of revenue bonds by Lincoln County Power, and taxpayers would not be placed at risk. Peloquin planned to ask the Blue Island City Council for a resolution supporting the project at last night's council meeting."

Yes, We are in EMANATE DANGER!
The ELECTION is OVER,
the Bad Guys Won,
AND THE CITY OF BLUE ISLAND IS AT RISK!!!!!
concerned in BI

Northbrook, IL

#6 Jul 16, 2009
Lincoln County? Where is Lincoln County? "The
Donald" has visions of grandure on this one. The Wte technology is used in Europe but has never been used in the United States. The public needs to step and insist on honest answers on this one because $400 million dollars is HUGE project and BI will be paying for it. How would we like to have former mayor Chester Strancik (the poisoner of Crestwood water) in charge of this thing? There is a lot money to be made off of this project and the public interest would not be served.
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#7 Jul 16, 2009
In the event the Donald pulls off this latest scheme;
(taxpayers should step up or see their property values plummet and homeowner insurance sky rocket) it is recommended the Donald's domicile on Highland Street be relocated to the incinerator property site and he reside in close proximity to his pet project. He must also be provided with an ankle monitor to keep him on site to monitor the incinerator and live out the remainder of his days on earth; knowing he'll be the first to go when it blows up!
PSM

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#8 Jul 16, 2009
The mayors interested in this project are nuts & they should be admitted to the nearest nut hosp.
Hank

United States

#9 Jul 17, 2009
If the Mayor will do the right thing, this could work out OK. Former Alderman James Deiters said one day our garbage will become valuable. This is the time!!!! The Mayor to have his dreams come true will pay all residents for our garbage. He will share with all the residents the profits. I don't mean like the golf course, but really share. You as a resident must receive nothing less.
What

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#10 Jul 17, 2009
"Ponzi" Schemes
Ponzi schemes are a type of illegal pyramid scheme named for Charles Ponzi, who duped thousands of New England residents into investing in a postage stamp speculation scheme back in the 1920s. Ponzi thought he could take advantage of differences between U.S. and foreign currencies used to buy and sell international mail coupons. Ponzi told investors that he could provide a 40% return in just 90 days compared with 5% for bank savings accounts. Ponzi was deluged with funds from investors, taking in $1 million during one three-hour period—and this was 1921! Though a few early investors were paid off to make the scheme look legitimate, an investigation found that Ponzi had only purchased about $30 worth of the international mail coupons.
Decades later, the Ponzi scheme continues to work on the "rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul " principle, as money from new investors is used to pay off earlier investors until the whole scheme collapses. For more information, please read pyramid schemes in our Fast Answers databank.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm

If it sounds to good to be true..........

Where is Bernie Madoff?
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#11 Jul 18, 2009
Hank wrote:
If the Mayor will do the right thing, this could work out OK. Former Alderman James Deiters said one day our garbage will become valuable. This is the time!!!! The Mayor to have his dreams come true will pay all residents for our garbage. He will share with all the residents the profits. I don't mean like the golf course, but really share. You as a resident must receive nothing less.
Jim Dieters MOVED to Chicago.

75% of "trash is recyclable"
presently; there are 2 pick ups on garbage day.

How much money is returned to BI from the current recycling program?
Blue Island

Tinley Park, IL

#12 Jul 18, 2009
This is green technology. This is what the President is advocating.
NOT GREEN

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#13 Jul 18, 2009
Blue Island wrote:
This is green technology. This is what the President is advocating.
THE MAYORS PLAN IS NOT GREEN!

The first plasma based waste disposal system in the USA is scheduled to come into operation in St. Lucie County, Florida. The county states that they hope to not only avoid further landfill, but completely empty their existing landfill — 4,300,000 short tons (3,900,000 t) of waste collected since 1978 — within 18 years.[6] The plant is scheduled to come into operation in 2009, and was supposed to produce 600 short tons (540,000 kg) of solid rubble from around 3,000 short tons (2,700,000 kg) of waste per day at 5,500 °C (9,900 °F). Uncertainties have arisen however regarding the safety of such a facility.

In 2004, the city of Honolulu, Hawaiʻi considered a plasma arc/torch proposal for processing municipal solid waste. The city's Department of Environmental Services evaluated the plasma process and found that using plasma arc/torch technology would significantly increase waste disposal costs without offering worthwhile environmental advantages.[13] It should be noted that in the time since the publishing of that report, many developments have occurred. As can be seen above, numerous municipal plasma arc gas plants are currently in development, including one for the city of Los Angeles. Practical (limited use of land space for landfills), technological (large-scale use of technology versus small-scale, e.g. plasma arc is currently favored as a means to destroy medical and hazardous waste), logistical (transportation infrastructure requirements) and budgetary considerations all affect the viability of individual projects. It is important to note, that at this stage no municipal-waste disposal sized plasma arc facilities have as yet been constructed, and therefore they pose a considerable technological and budgetary challenge to even the largest municipalities.

An issue regarding plasma systems that rely on high temperatures for processing is in the life of their liners. The liner is an important aspect of separating the high interior temperatures of the plasma system from the [metal] shell of the plasma container. Liners are highly susceptible to both chlorine attack and to local variabilities in [high] temperatures, both of which would be found with typical municipal waste systems, and are not likely to last more than a year in service. This concern can be addressed by using the method demonstrated at the Trail Road Plant in Ottawa, Canada, which requires lower temperatures and a more robust material (brick) for a liner instead of the expensive and fragile metal.

SOLAR ENERGY AND WIND MILLS AT THE OLD CLARK SITE WOULD BE GREEN AND A GREAT IDEA!
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#14 Jul 19, 2009
Ponzi!
Blue Island Al

Melrose Park, IL

#15 Jul 19, 2009
The Center for Neighborhood Technology needs to locate this so called garbage incinerator in Evanston.Since they claim to be for green technology and urban sustainability. This is a very desperate act by Mayor Peloquin, and can only be accomplished by the RUBBER STAMP Alderman he has in place.
NOT GREEN

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#16 Jul 20, 2009
This latest most dangerous (Uncertainties have arisen however regarding the safety of such a facility.) 400 million dollar incinerator ponzi scheme poses a considerable technological and budgetary challenge to even the largest municipalities.

Honolulu, Hawaii's Department of Environmental Services evaluated the plasma process and found that using plasma arc/torch technology would significantly increase waste disposal costs without offering worthwhile environmental advantages.

SOLAR ENERGY AND WIND MILLS AT THE OLD CLARK SITE WOULD BE GREEN AND A BETTER IDEA!
Earning It

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#17 Jul 21, 2009
“It is the public policy of this State that public bodies exist to aid in the conduct of the people’s business and that the people have a right to be informed as to the conduct of their business.”(5 ILCS 120/1)

Attorney General Lisa Madigan believes that an open, honest and accountable government, the cornerstone of a democracy, can only be achieved through the free and open exchange of information between government and its citizens. Both the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and the Open Meetings Act (OMA) endeavor to open the workings of government to the public, shed light on government actions and, in the process, strengthen our democracy. Similarly, the newly enacted government ethics laws are intended to increase government accountability. The Office of the Attorney General is committed to ensuring compliance with these laws and increasing awareness by both the public and public officials of their rights and obligations under them.

Once again; Peloquin failed to present accurate information to the aldermen and residents; at the 7/14/09 council meeting.

Research supports the need for caution due to the level of danger;
and further reveals plasma arc/torch technology is not cost effective.

Peloquin Is Earning HIS Right to BE
George Ryan's room mate.
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#18 Jul 24, 2009
Wind and solar energy are the future!
What went wrong

Midlothian, IL

#19 Jul 25, 2009
The mayor has a NARCISSISTIC personality disorder. It seems to me, he might be in line for his own Greek tragedy.
Keep Your Eye on This One

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#20 Aug 9, 2009
Beware-Peloquin is playing his usual shell game.

There are the issues he puts on the table and
then there is his hidden agenda.

Blue Island Residents MUST be sure to
Watch the Incinerator Issue closely-
this is an opportunity he won't want to miss-

His goal is the same-$$$$$$$$$

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