Barack Obama, our next President

[carol]

lily boca raton fl wrote:

<quoted text>The interesting point about human nature is that they are afraid to stand alone against a group committing heinous or criminal acts; even if they have a moral compass. Case in point; the gang rape of that 15 year old girl in California with all the spectators; it took one girl; who was not there but heard it was happening to call the police; the others were scared. The word on the streets is "snitches get stitches". How many whistleblowers end up losing their jobs and are villified? Why didn't someone have the guts to go to President Bush and say "Mr. President, it's wrong to invade Iraq"? Everyone talked about it after it was too late.

That is truly the problem when taking a stand - facing the consequences whatever they may be. And fear is a huge factor, like you said. It's why army officials did not blow the whistle on the Muslim who opened fire. They all knew he was a loose cannon but pointing him out in this sick political correctness climate we find ourselves in could have meant being singled out themselves. This kind of climate has to change if we have any sense left at all.

As for Bush and Iraq, many (including myself) did not think it was the wrong thing to do. I told my daughter that it was a good day for America and Iraq when we liberated the Iraqis and took down their leader who everyone believed - including every democrat on capital hill - had WMDs and was a very real potential threat to civilization as a whole. The Iraqis have the promise of a whole new future. They even have comedy reality shows on their televisions now. That would have never happened under Saddam and his regime of terror. They know it, you know it, and I know it.

[lily boca raton fl]

Speed wrote:

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Hey, YOU used to blame President Bush for everything too. How do you like it when your man gets dogged for anything and everything?

I never blamed bush for diarrhea, that was the oysters.

[Demos]

carol wrote:

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His ACLU followers picked up right where he left off.

Not even close but thanks for playing.

[Speed]

grand obsolete party wrote:

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I'll name 2:
Medicare and Social Security
Just try and take those away from Americans.
Seems to me they're run quite well.
If you have a beef about them being 'bankrupt', which is bogus, then why didn't you all do something about those terrible government programs all of those years your Party was in power?

If you think Medicare is run well, you are nuts.

Do you realize how many BILLLIONS of dollars that have gone unrecovered through subrogation by Medicare? They are JUST NOW to correct this problem. Their correction of it is a complete cluster phuck too.

They need tort reform and healthcare regulation reform. They don't need to take over healthcare. Those idiots (both parties) in Washington don't have a clue. They have no business doing this. Their track record SUCKS.

[Demos]

carol wrote:

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You didn't designate what color?? The only color you used in your original post was "black". That's considered a color, by the way.

Nope. I said a "room full of naked men".

[Nobama]

grand obsolete party wrote:

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Both programs are funded by current workers...they are NOT unfunded.
Now, if a Republican congress decides to steal from tnose accounts to pay for things like, oh, wars and such, then you have a problem.
Remember Gore and his 'lockbox'?
Meidcare is not free, there is a monthly mayment and there are deductibles.
Hardly wlefare, but please feel free to tell all seniors they'll have to do without.

Benefits promised 60 and 70 years in the future paid for by current workers are hardly "funded."

Setting aside ones contributions in individual accounts with vested property rights would be "funded."

The monthly Medicare payments are wholly inadequate to fund the program, which is paid for by 3.5% out of every workers pocket.

[whiner in chief]

For all you Democrats.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...

LOL you should take note.

[whiner in chief]

But it's ok if you don't

[Demos]

carol wrote:

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If we can't agree on something as basic as knowing right from wrong and not being afraid to call it as we see it through those same exact eyes, we are truly a divided country in a much more unfortunate sense than the historic definition.

Ok. I believe its right that the decision to abort a pregnancy is the mother's and not the state's. How does that compare with the law in this country and is that law aligned with your moral compass?

[carol]

grand obsolete party wrote:

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When I was growing up, my mom would have considered someting "not far from the truth" a lie.
But it's so like you to equivocate.
As for Afghanistan, how did Iraq work out with no deliberations made by the Commander in Chief and his Secretary of Defense?
The all so predictable hyperbole on the right ignores the fact that whatever the President's decision, it's not like troops will just land in Afghanistan next week.
Regardless of Obama's final decision, made after much deliberation and much input from a variey of exeprts, no additinal troops would actually be deployed until next Spring at the earliest.
So, as usual, the hysteria on the right is just more bloviating and hating.

I find your way of thinking very sad. What about the soldiers who are there now fighting for their lives without the reinforcements until next spring? Do you not even see how crazy your argument is to defend Obama's indecision by just that fact alone? It's already been three months. Next spring? How many will die without those reinforcements before then? Are they expected to be sitting ducks until then?

You still did not address the very real fact that government panels would decide the criteria for one's quality of life in advanced years the way it was originally written. That is not far from the truth. That was right on the money.

[lily boca raton fl]

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials...

Florida man tries to send flowers to Ft. Hood shooter, what an idiot

[grand obsolete party]

Nobama wrote:

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Just like Bernie Madoff's investors loved Bernie until the house of cards collapsed.
The Congress should lead, not pander.

So you never explain why Republicans failed to lead when they controlled congress for 12 years.

[Demos]

carol wrote:

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If we can't agree on something as basic as knowing right from wrong and not being afraid to call it as we see it through those same exact eyes, we are truly a divided country in a much more unfortunate sense than the historic definition.

Here's another so you don't get confused by the issue of abortion and go off on a rant.

I believe the decision to use marijuana should be up to the individual. How do the laws of this country align with my belief? What's your belief on the subject and is that reflected by the law?

[carol]

Demos wrote:

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I'm almost afraid to ask her how many Catholics were around in 17th century Mass. and England for all the witch hunting.

As I told Lily, I use the Roman Catholic Church as an example since it is the most commonly referred to misconception about Christianity on this subject. The Salem witch huntings were a lesson to us all about pointing fingers at those who are innocent and labeling them as something they were not. The word "racist" comes quickly to mind.

[grand obsolete party]

Speed wrote:

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If you think Medicare is run well, you are nuts.
Do you realize how many BILLLIONS of dollars that have gone unrecovered through subrogation by Medicare? They are JUST NOW to correct this problem. Their correction of it is a complete cluster phuck too.
They need tort reform and healthcare regulation reform. They don't need to take over healthcare. Those idiots (both parties) in Washington don't have a clue. They have no business doing this. Their track record SUCKS.

Right, Medicare really sucks for all the seniors that use it.
As for the fraud, the current legislation addesses that.
Tort reform has been enacted in several states (CA, TX) and has had ZERO effect on the cost of healthcare.

[lily boca raton fl]

Demos wrote:

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haha
Somebody pull my finger!

I thought my dog was the only dumb one, when we want him to come to us, we say, go away and vice versa!!

[grand obsolete party]

Nobama wrote:

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Benefits promised 60 and 70 years in the future paid for by current workers are hardly "funded."
Setting aside ones contributions in individual accounts with vested property rights would be "funded."
The monthly Medicare payments are wholly inadequate to fund the program, which is paid for by 3.5% out of every workers pocket.

What, we will have no workers in 60 to 70 years?
You still fail to answer how we pay for the trillions it would cost to convert to a system of self investment of Social Security.

[lily boca raton fl]

Demos wrote:

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Nope. I said a "room full of naked men".

I said a group of black men, you said room full of naked men. Carol's imagination went with room of naked black men!!

[grand obsolete party]

Nobama wrote:

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Benefits promised 60 and 70 years in the future paid for by current workers are hardly "funded."
Setting aside ones contributions in individual accounts with vested property rights would be "funded."
The monthly Medicare payments are wholly inadequate to fund the program, which is paid for by 3.5% out of every workers pocket.

and my monthly preiums paid by all Medicare benficiaries.
You seem to be underthe impression that Medicare is free for those participating.

[carol]

grand obsolete party wrote:

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Yeah, Republicans NEVER lie! LOLOLOLOL

Didn't say some ever didn't. They just don't make things up to prop up their own egos and public perceptions. Or maybe you can find an instance where that happened with a conservative.