Is Detroit salvageable

Since: May 12

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#1 Jul 22, 2013
The middle class, including the black middle class, has abandoned Detroit.The tax base is gone, Detroit crumbles.Detroit is essentially an American refugee camp.
Demon god

Lenoir, NC

#2 Jul 22, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
The middle class, including the black middle class, has abandoned Detroit.The tax base is gone, Detroit crumbles.Detroit is essentially an American refugee camp.
STFU.
Spiro

Greer, SC

#3 Jul 22, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
The middle class, including the black middle class, has abandoned Detroit.The tax base is gone, Detroit crumbles.Detroit is essentially an American refugee camp.
Even Obama knows Detroit is a lost cause.The city was run using typical liberal models.With typical liberal results.
Zundapp

Greer, SC

#4 Jul 22, 2013
Detroit has to be bailed out.Most of them are black.
Paul

Greer, SC

#5 Jul 22, 2013
This is not a race issue,its a financial issue.
Dang

Greer, SC

#7 Jul 22, 2013
Demon god wrote:
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STFU.
Not me, because I would like to know if people think Detroit should be saved? Of the population left there, how many have a high school education? Does anyone think a business will be lured there with that kind of labor base? Now that being said and looking at the abandoned buildings could this happen to Lenoir? Did Thomasville not just lay off people?
Concerned Citizen

Forest City, NC

#8 Jul 22, 2013
I know that Les' pawn shop is full. If his clients are any indication of the caliber of people living in the motor city then it needs to be bulldozed.
say what?

Newland, NC

#9 Jul 22, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
I know that Les' pawn shop is full. If his clients are any indication of the caliber of people living in the motor city then it needs to be bulldozed.
Good point. Lol. Regardless, I assure you taxpayer money will bail out Detroit . The city is caught in a bad position partially because of unfunded balances owed to retirement plans of former city workers. Detroit focused solely on the auto industry much as this area focused on furniture. When production shifted overseas Detroit held on too long before exploring other options and in the process their population decreased 30% taking the tax base with it. Now many of the residents left are entitlement based citizens of which many did not contribute when times were good. Until officials get crime and entitlement programs under control, Detroit will never recover. I think Detroit bailout will resemble that of wall st , it will be nonstop funding if they allow it to start. Before it's over the race card will be played even though several smaller towns in the US were allowed to enter bankruptcy unassisted I doubt this will be the case there. Taxpayers get ready, we will get screwed once again most likely .
Dang

Greer, SC

#10 Jul 22, 2013
Detroit: What Went Wrong, What's Next
What happened:

Much of the problem stems from the decline in the auto industry, which, according to The Week's timeline, began in the '70s, when the gas crisis spurred interest in more efficient imports. But things really sped up around 2000. Since then...
Unemployment has tripled, peaking at almost 28% in 2009. Today it's at about 16%.
Crime has spiked, with homicide rates now at historic highs, USA Today reports. Police take an average of 58 minutes to respond to calls.
Many residents, particularly middle class ones, have fled in response; the city's population has dropped 25% since 2000. That exodus has left 78,000 city structures abandoned.
All of which has led to a 30% plunge in tax revenue over a decade.
That's made city services even worse. "There’s no way Detroit can afford to service 140 square miles anymore," economist Eric Scorsone tells NBC News. "So for parts of the city if your streetlight’s out, they’re not going to fix it." Indeed, 40% of the city's streetlights don't work.
And hanging over the city are massive unfunded pension obligations, currently totaling $18 billion, or $25,000 for every resident. The city's top two creditors are its General Retirement System and Police and Fire Retirement System, the Detroit Free Press reports.
What's next:

City officials have insisted that day-to-day city business will go on unimpeded; they're free to use their cash on hand to fund public works.
Detroit will get an automatic stay on all its bills and all lawsuits against it, though it'll still have to pay secured creditors, according to USA Today.
A judge will have to agree that things are bad enough to warrant bankruptcy. Assuming that happens, the city will craft a reorganization plan, hopefully with the support of creditors.
That will surely involve cuts to pensions, something the unions are staunchly against.
Whatever happens will be watched closely. "Everyone will say,'Oh well, it's Detroit,'" Scorsone says. But "it's the same in Chicago and New York and San Diego and San Jose.… They may not be as extreme as Detroit, but a lot of them face the same problems."
advice

Newland, NC

#11 Jul 22, 2013
Dang wrote:
Detroit: What Went Wrong, What's Next
What happened:

Much of the problem stems from the decline in the auto industry, which, according to The Week's timeline, began in the '70s, when the gas crisis spurred interest in more efficient imports. But things really sped up around 2000. Since then...
Unemployment has tripled, peaking at almost 28% in 2009. Today it's at about 16%.
Crime has spiked, with homicide rates now at historic highs, USA Today reports. Police take an average of 58 minutes to respond to calls.
Many residents, particularly middle class ones, have fled in response; the city's population has dropped 25% since 2000. That exodus has left 78,000 city structures abandoned.
All of which has led to a 30% plunge in tax revenue over a decade.
That's made city services even worse. "ThereÂ’s no way Detroit can afford to service 140 square miles anymore," economist Eric Scorsone tells NBC News. "So for parts of the city if your streetlightÂ’s out, theyÂ’re not going to fix it." Indeed, 40% of the city's streetlights don't work.
And hanging over the city are massive unfunded pension obligations, currently totaling $18 billion, or $25,000 for every resident. The city's top two creditors are its General Retirement System and Police and Fire Retirement System, the Detroit Free Press reports.
What's next:

City officials have insisted that day-to-day city business will go on unimpeded; they're free to use their cash on hand to fund public works.
Detroit will get an automatic stay on all its bills and all lawsuits against it, though it'll still have to pay secured creditors, according to USA Today.
A judge will have to agree that things are bad enough to warrant bankruptcy. Assuming that happens, the city will craft a reorganization plan, hopefully with the support of creditors.
That will surely involve cuts to pensions, something the unions are staunchly against.
Whatever happens will be watched closely. "Everyone will say,'Oh well, it's Detroit,'" Scorsone says. But "it's the same in Chicago and New York and San Diego and San Jose.Â… They may not be as extreme as Detroit, but a lot of them face the same problems."
Yes, many other cities face similar situations. The difference between those and Detroit is the fact Detroit suffered a huge decline in population ,shrinking tax revenue and totally lost control of crime. They stated 40% of the street lights are non-functioning but they failed to reveal that 25% of those malfunction because of component thefts mainly copper wire theft as I read in a story earlier. And of course the auto industry shifted more towards non union states and countries. As in GM's case especially after the bailout GM recently announced plans to build the largest auto factory ever built, sadly it's in china . Detroit will need help to recover but a requirement should be they reduce the city size to a more manageable size, unincorporate the outlaying areas and restructure the cities union agreements. The cost of unionized city staff and the volume of unfunded retirement benefits is a huge drain on a weak budget. Until this is resolved any bailout is nothing more than tossing money into a sinking ship.
Dang

Greer, SC

#12 Jul 23, 2013
"Detroit's middle class is alive and well...it just does not live in Detroit anymore, having moved to nearby suburbs. Laws that required city employees to live in Detroit were found to violate the Constitution. City employees who had freedom to move wherever they wished did so. The 1967 riots in Detroit caused enormous physical damage, but the damage to the social climate was far worse. White flight accelerated. In the early 70s, Federal Judge Damon Keith ruled that Detroit's public schools, which were segregated by circumstance and not by law, could only be integrated by busing young children around the city to achieve a racial balance that their parents could not, or would not achieve. The flight of people of all races accelerated, leaving Detroit where it is today.

Judge Keith received many accolades and awards for public service during his life. Ironically, a few years ago, the city was relieved of the responsibility for providing bus transportation to achieve racial integration.....it was now 87% African American." http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdes... Sad story.
My Conclusion

Corning, NY

#13 Jul 24, 2013
Detroit has been run by the Democrat party and the United Auto Workers Union for the past 60 years!
When the quality of cars being made in Detroit hit rock bottom in the 70’s the Imports took over and Detroit never recovered. The UAW destroyed the American Car Industry. Ford and GM were forced to move production to Mexico and Canada in order to compete with Import car prices.
If you want to site one reason why Detroit is failing it is LABOR UNION’s both government workers and auto workers who have bankrupted the city.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#14 Jul 24, 2013
My Conclusion wrote:
Detroit has been run by the Democrat party and the United Auto Workers Union for the past 60 years!
When the quality of cars being made in Detroit hit rock bottom in the 70’s the Imports took over and Detroit never recovered. The UAW destroyed the American Car Industry. Ford and GM were forced to move production to Mexico and Canada in order to compete with Import car prices.
If you want to site one reason why Detroit is failing it is LABOR UNION’s both government workers and auto workers who have bankrupted the city.
As a union worker for over twenty years, I am going to have to agree with you.When unions get too much power, there's a problem.The same can be said of management, however.Unfettered management can be as bad as unrestrained unions.

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