Prop. 19 pot cost effect debated

Aug 22, 2010 Read more: San Bernardino County Sun 51
Inland Empire medical marijuana advocates have mixed feelings on the proposition seeking to legalize marijuana for recreational use. Read more
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NotPot

Fontana, CA

#1 Aug 22, 2010
Dear Sun:

Why interview just pot heds for this story?? Are you not going to provide some real balance to your pro pot story? Tons of people against this nonsense.

Visit: hwww.noonproposition19.com/
Robert T

Yucaipa, CA

#2 Aug 22, 2010
If you support the Hemp Movement, Re-Legalizing Marijuana for Medical or Personal Use, you are already part of the movement. Why not make some money while doing it. Join with other like-minded Freedom Loving Americans and together we can all achieve more! http://www.the-hemp-network.com/rtuinier
JustSayNo

Fontana, CA

#3 Aug 22, 2010
/www.cadfy.org.php5-13.website testlink.com/test/index.php/pr evention-resources/item/8-top- 5-talking-points-about-not-leg alizing-marijuana
Standing Up

Fontana, CA

#4 Aug 22, 2010
Citizens Against Legalization of Marijuana: www.calmca.org/
CDFC

Fontana, CA

#5 Aug 22, 2010
Communuties Fighting Back -- Coalition for a Drug Free California - www.drugfreecalifornia.org
jax

Big Bear Lake, CA

#6 Aug 22, 2010
NotPot wrote:
Dear Sun:
Why interview just pot heds for this story?? Are you not going to provide some real balance to your pro pot story? Tons of people against this nonsense.
Visit: hwww.noonproposition19.com/
...maybe its becouse thers more pepole who support this bill than you think.
jdog

Victorville, CA

#7 Aug 22, 2010
Great just one more hand on the handle of the toilet to flush the youth of America down the toilet. I can imagine the poor children across America breathing mom and dad's second hand dope. Even worse I can imagine them sitting with mom and dad in the back of their car will they drive under the influence. The costs of health care will sky rocket as people eat themselves silly from the cravings. Every hypochondriac will probably come out of the wood work to get a pot prescription. For those of you who think it isn't easy to get prescription think again. I had a friend with nothing wrong with him who got a pot prescription. In reality old grandmas won't be the ones seeking these type of treatment it will be the already addicted pot heads who will finally find a good excuse to lay around high in a stupor, eating all day and being totally useless to society. Having your tax dollars pay for their drug habit. What a joke!
PAUL

Edmonton, Canada

#8 Aug 22, 2010
Kids wont get a hodl of it,and we would know what would be in it like CBD which is anti-psychotic,one day it might become legal,its a light drug i quit it when i was in high school.
Joe Riley

Poway, CA

#9 Aug 22, 2010
Lol @ Stoners Against Legalization.. Stupid..

"Inland Empire medical marijuana advocates have mixed feelings on the proposition seeking to legalize marijuana for recreational use."

Mixed feelings? Ok let's just keep it illegal.. Idiots... this is a no brainer. Good thing it won't matter about a bunch of indecisive dip***t fools when voting day comes, it's going to pass no matter what :)
Stu

Claremont, CA

#10 Aug 23, 2010
jdog wrote:
Great just one more hand on the handle of the toilet to flush the youth of America down the toilet. I can imagine the poor children across America breathing mom and dad's second hand dope. Even worse I can imagine them sitting with mom and dad in the back of their car will they drive under the influence. The costs of health care will sky rocket as people eat themselves silly from the cravings. Every hypochondriac will probably come out of the wood work to get a pot prescription. For those of you who think it isn't easy to get prescription think again. I had a friend with nothing wrong with him who got a pot prescription. In reality old grandmas won't be the ones seeking these type of treatment it will be the already addicted pot heads who will finally find a good excuse to lay around high in a stupor, eating all day and being totally useless to society. Having your tax dollars pay for their drug habit. What a joke!
yeah thats why your children are shopping for their next high in your medicine cabinet
Malcolm Kyle

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#11 Aug 23, 2010
For those of you who are still living in some strange parallel universe, one where prohibition actually works, here is part of the testimony of Judge Alfred J Talley, given before the Senate Hearings of 1926:

"For the first time in our history, full faith and confidence in and respect for the hitherto sacred Constitution of the United States has been weakened and impaired because this terrifying invasion of natural rights has been engrafted upon the fundamental law of our land, and experience has shown that it is being wantonly and derisively violated in every State, city, and hamlet in the country."

"It has made potential drunkards of the youth of the land, not because intoxicating liquor appeals to their taste or disposition, but because it is a forbidden thing, and because it is forbidden makes an irresistible appeal to the unformed and immature. It has brought into our midst the intemperate woman, the most fearsome and menacing thing for the future of our national life."

"It has brought the sickening slime of corruption, dishonor, and disgrace into every group of employees and officials in city, State, and Federal departments that have been charged with the enforcement of this odious law."

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/HISTORY/e...

And the following paragraphs are from WALTER E. EDGE's testimony, a Senator from New Jersey:

"Any law that brings in its wake such wide corruption in the public service, increased alcoholic insanity, and deaths, increased arrests for drunkenness, home barrooms, and development among young boys and young women of the use of the flask never heard of before prohibition can not be successfully defended."

"I unhesitatingly contend that those who recognize existing evils and sincerely endeavor to correct them are contributing more toward temperance than those who stubbornly refuse to admit the facts."

"The opposition always proceeds on the theory that give them time and they will stop the habit of indulging in intoxicating beverages. This can not be accomplished. We should recognize our problem is not to persist in the impossible, but to recognize a situation and bring about common-sense temperance through reason."

"This is not a campaign to bring back intoxicating liquor, as is so often claimed by the fanatical dry. Intoxicating liquor is with us to-day and practically as accessible as it ever was. The difference mainly because of its illegality, is its greater destructive power, as evidenced on every hand. The sincere advocates of prohibition welcome efforts for real temperance rather than a continuation of the present bluff."

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/HISTORY/e...
Malcolm Kyle

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#12 Aug 23, 2010
jdog wrote:
Great just one more hand on the handle of the toilet to flush the youth of America down the toilet.
As a Prohibitionist you dance hand in hand with every possible type of criminal one can imagine.

An unholy alliance of ignorance, greed and hate which works to destroy all our hard fought freedoms, wealth and security.

We will always have adults who are too immature to responsibly deal with tobacco alcohol, heroin amphetamines, cocaine, various prescription drugs and even food. Our answer to them should always be: "Get a Nanny, and stop turning the government into one for the rest of us!"

Nobody wants to see an end to prohibition because they want to use drugs. They wish to see proper legalized regulation because they are witnessing, on a daily basis, the dangers and futility of prohibition.'Legalized Regulation' won't be the complete answer to all our drug problems, but it'll greatly ameliorate the crime and violence on our streets, and only then can we provide effective education and treatment.

The whole nonsense of 'a disaster will happen if we end prohibition' sentiment sums up the delusional 'chicken little' stance of those who foolishly insist on continuing down this blind alley. As if a disaster isnít already happening. As if prohibition has ever worked.

To support prohibition is such a strange mind-set. In fact, It's outrageous insanity!--Literally not one prohibitionist argument survives scrutiny. Not one!

The only people that believe prohibition is working are the ones making a living by enforcing laws in it's name, and those amassing huge fortunes on the black market profits. This situation is wholly unsustainable, and as history has shown us, conditions will continue to deteriorate until we finally, just like our forefathers, see sense and revert back to tried and tested methods of regulation. None of these substances, legal or illegal, are ever going to go away, but we CAN decide to implement policies that do far more good than harm.

During alcohol prohibition in the 1920s, all profits went to enrich thugs and criminals. Young men died every day on inner-city streets while battling over turf. A fortune was wasted on enforcement that could have gone on treatment. On top of the budget-busting prosecution and incarceration costs, billions in taxes were lost. Finally the economy collapsed. Sound familiar?
AlansK

Manhattan, KS

#15 Aug 23, 2010
No doubt there are problems with prop 19 but it still seems to be a big step forward.
AlansK

Manhattan, KS

#16 Aug 23, 2010
Standing Up wrote:
Citizens Against Legalization of Marijuana: www.calmca.org/
Why don't you cite some of the reasons you are against legalization. If I grow and use marijuana on my own property, what trouble would that cause for you or anyone else?
Pablo Escobar

Pomona, CA

#17 Aug 23, 2010
CDFC wrote:
Communuties Fighting Back -- Coalition for a Drug Free California - www.drugfreecalifornia.org
Hi I am an underground drug lord and we support your efforts 100%. If prop 19 passes it will cut into my profits. I like the way things are now.
Tard

Fresno, CA

#18 Aug 23, 2010
You can't legally "sit there and down Jack Daniels" in front of kids. If you "down Jack Daniels" then your probably "downing" 6 shots. If you down 6 shots you will probably be past the legal limit. If your past the legal limit and have children under your care, in your home or not, and a cop finds out. They can arrest you. Look it up yourself, don't believe me. And then next time anyone feels like opening their mouth, Google the subject first. This way people will not think your Tarded. I swear too many Tarded people are reproducing.

I just don't see why anyone would look at not being alowed to smoke infront of kids as a bad thing. I've been smoking for more than a decade. I never have even thought about smoking infront of a child. Anyone who does not see a problem with smoking in front of children was probably borne from retarded parents. If you were borne from retards, it's ok, it's not your falt. But seek help.
420PROP19

Covina, CA

#19 Aug 23, 2010
Go Green....Yes on Prop. 19!
Joe moma

Chino, CA

#20 Aug 23, 2010
CDFC wrote:
Communuties Fighting Back -- Coalition for a Drug Free California - www.drugfreecalifornia.org
Good luck, How many years and billion of dollars have been totally wasted on this so called "drug war".....It's time to repeal the robber barons archait law they had passed back in the 10's and 20's. Like the old fart Hearst, whom was behind it all, just because it was a quick renewable resource to make paper, problem was for him, He had purchase thousands of acres of forrest......not fields. He would have went backrupt if they/he didn't get the bills passed with the help of bought and paid for senators. congressmen. So try and keep up with the times, this will pass with a good percentage, we are tried of living under someones foot, if you don't like pot then don't use it !! Some people really need the benefits that can give.....maybe an illness would change your mind or all the nay-sayers that claim to be on the moral or religious hiway.....any way you look at it the time has come.
relax

La Puente, CA

#21 Aug 23, 2010
Malcolm Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Prohibitionist you dance hand in hand with every possible type of criminal one can imagine.
An unholy alliance of ignorance, greed and hate which works to destroy all our hard fought freedoms, wealth and security.
We will always have adults who are too immature to responsibly deal with tobacco alcohol, heroin amphetamines, cocaine, various prescription drugs and even food. Our answer to them should always be: "Get a Nanny, and stop turning the government into one for the rest of us!"
Nobody wants to see an end to prohibition because they want to use drugs. They wish to see proper legalized regulation because they are witnessing, on a daily basis, the dangers and futility of prohibition.'Legalized Regulation' won't be the complete answer to all our drug problems, but it'll greatly ameliorate the crime and violence on our streets, and only then can we provide effective education and treatment.
The whole nonsense of 'a disaster will happen if we end prohibition' sentiment sums up the delusional 'chicken little' stance of those who foolishly insist on continuing down this blind alley. As if a disaster isnít already happening. As if prohibition has ever worked.
To support prohibition is such a strange mind-set. In fact, It's outrageous insanity!--Literally not one prohibitionist argument survives scrutiny. Not one!
The only people that believe prohibition is working are the ones making a living by enforcing laws in it's name, and those amassing huge fortunes on the black market profits. This situation is wholly unsustainable, and as history has shown us, conditions will continue to deteriorate until we finally, just like our forefathers, see sense and revert back to tried and tested methods of regulation. None of these substances, legal or illegal, are ever going to go away, but we CAN decide to implement policies that do far more good than harm.
During alcohol prohibition in the 1920s, all profits went to enrich thugs and criminals. Young men died every day on inner-city streets while battling over turf. A fortune was wasted on enforcement that could have gone on treatment. On top of the budget-busting prosecution and incarceration costs, billions in taxes were lost. Finally the economy collapsed. Sound familiar?
What he said:)
YES ON 19

Watertown, MA

#22 Aug 23, 2010
I would like to point out that this ARTICLE is NOT FACTUALLY CORRECT.

Sandra Emerson, Please edit your story accordingly.

"Some provisions that have come under scrutiny include the ability to grow within a 5-foot-by-5-foot space and legalizing possession of up to 1 ounce.

The 5-by-5 space "definitely challenges the amount that allows you to possess at most an ounce," Sandusky said. "Five-by-five grows more than an ounce. It opens doors to be prosecuted there."

The above is incorrect. Possession limits of 1 ounce are designated to outside ones residence. A person has an affirmative defense to -whatever one can grow- in the 25 sq. ft. plot in there residence.

Please change the above quoted text. And please read the initiative before you post an article. You are publicly stating incorrect facts. Only fox news does that.

Thanks.

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