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katran

United States

#1 Apr 28, 2006
Will the residents of Lima think that the new Wal-Mart presence will "permanently change the character of life in their historic village" for better or worse? As a Lima resident, I drive through the village to go shopping and spend my money in neighboring communities because there is nothing keeping me here. Maybe this will get some of the business owners in the village to start showing pride in their "historic village" and start taking care of their storefronts and grounds! Maybe Wal-Mart competition is just what Lima needs!
Mike

Linden, NJ

#2 Apr 28, 2006
Sure Katran,
Walmart will be the new "fix it up model". If Lima was not hurting for money Walmart would dissapear. Lima places the Walmart as far from there village and closer to HF in an effort to spur on local competition. This was Lima grabbing promised money. I hope it goes for more law enforcement, school counslers and volunteer ambulances. I spend my money else where too. That's why I live out here.
katran

United States

#3 Apr 28, 2006
Do you honestly think that the village of Lima called Wal-Mart and asked them to come and help us? And on top of it said that we'll put you on the edge of the village near HF? What is wrong with competition? The fact is is that Wal-Mart is looking to build here and if it is going to help reduce the growing rate of our "Bedroom community" and keep our residents money here, then so be it.
Mike

Linden, NJ

#4 Apr 28, 2006
Of course not, BUT Lima did reject a Huckster farm that wanted the property earlier. SO, yes I would be hard pressed to think Walmart was not intended someplace to be near by. Remember they wanted to go at the corner of 15 A and Main street HF. Bad idea ....really.
beresponsible

Webster, NY

#5 Apr 28, 2006
Don't get me wrong...I'm not against development and neither are people that I'm talking to but WALMART? It's the neutron bomb of development. At 165,000 sq. ft.,it's bigger than the retail space of Lima and HF COMBINED!
Check out how many communities see lower taxes when WalMart arrives. I can save you time and tell you it's few to none.
School taxes make up a substantial portion of everyone's taxes around here so what happens when the HF business district gets annihilated? Fewer businesses paying taxes means residents have to make up the slack. WalMart gets subsidies for at least 10 years so it won't be them.
People need to really think through all of the impacts vs. the hollow benefits being promised.
What about the "slippery slope" that a development like this will mean for 15A? Once we rezone and let this in, there really will be NO PROTECTION from others that would follow.
The Planning Board does not have a "master plan" as guidance and does anyone think that WalMart will put an attractive site plan together?
As for keeping our money here Katran, it's the businesses that WalMart would close that keep money here....WalMart dollars go to Bentonville Arkansas just before they go to China.
curious

York, NY

#6 Apr 29, 2006
Mike wrote:
Sure Katran,
Walmart will be the new "fix it up model". If Lima was not hurting for money Walmart would dissapear. Lima places the Walmart as far from there village and closer to HF in an effort to spur on local competition. This was Lima grabbing promised money. I hope it goes for more law enforcement, school counslers and volunteer ambulances. I spend my money else where too. That's why I live out here.
Is that why so many "small business" store fronts are vacant right now in Honeoye Falls? Because you refuse to shop and support your local business??????hmmmmmmmm
joe

United States

#7 Apr 29, 2006
Yes Lima support the Red Chinese.....via wal-mart...
curious

York, NY

#8 Apr 29, 2006
joe wrote:
Yes Lima support the Red Chinese.....via wal-mart...
How many times have you looked at the merchandise being sold right in your own local "dollar" stores, grocery stores and other local small business stores to see the "made in China" sticker? Hmmmmm.... By the way... what migrant worker picked the very same fruit you ate at your breakfast table this morning? How much did he/she get paid?
beresponsible

Webster, NY

#9 May 2, 2006
curious wrote:
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How many times have you looked at the merchandise being sold right in your own local "dollar" stores, grocery stores and other local small business stores to see the "made in China" sticker? Hmmmmm.... By the way... what migrant worker picked the very same fruit you ate at your breakfast table this morning? How much did he/she get paid?
Hey Curious,
What does this have to do with WalMart wanting to rezone a farm into a supercenter? By the way, WalMart has exclusive factory arrangements with Chinese factories that produce only for them. Ichecked the local grocery stores, you know, Milburn Big M and the HFMP and I'm pretty confident that they don't have Chinese factories producing goods exclusively for them.....
curious

York, NY

#10 May 3, 2006
Where were all of you people when the local storage facility and all of the trailor parks took over farm land years ago? I never saw one person petitioning. What about the made in china Dollar General? Look around at all the comercial property for sale just waiting for development. Is this a Walmart issue or what? I have a feeling that if Walmart or any other big business wanted to build in Lima....lets say further south of rt. 5&20. I dont think any HF residents would give a crap. This boils down to location. Take ownership of that and move on. If you were concerned about the Chinese factories, you wouldnt be wearing half the clothes on your body or shopping in half the stores you do. Remember, made in China is made in China. No matter where you shop or what you buy. If you walk into the Dollar General and buy a made in USA item, dont be ignorant to the fact that you are supporting THEM and their majority of MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS.
mike

Linden, NJ

#11 May 3, 2006
I've done the loose math, and I am stumped where Walmart is going to find the million dollars a day they will need to keep this store viable. Walmart states Lima residents (hmm) accounted for 14 million in sales last year. With a Walmart in Geneseo 20 minutes away, Geneva 45 minutes away and Henrietta a 25 minute ride away, where will the folks come from? Pittsford..no. Henrietta..no. Honeoye Falls..no. we can get there in 20 minutes. Livonia, Richmond, I mean where is the money coming from?
400 workers making 8 dollars an hour for 84 total weekly hours S-M 12 hour days =$268,000 per week.
$268,000 per week X 52 weeks =$13,977,600. payroll a year (not to mention benefits wink,wink)
Hello????? You can make an argument for part time, and it really skewes the game numbers.
I guess they think Honeoye Falls will kick in the rest.
beresponsible

Webster, NY

#12 May 3, 2006
curious wrote:
Where were all of you people when the local storage facility and all of the trailor parks took over farm land years ago? I never saw one person petitioning. What about the made in china Dollar General? Look around at all the comercial property for sale just waiting for development. Is this a Walmart issue or what? I have a feeling that if Walmart or any other big business wanted to build in Lima....lets say further south of rt. 5&20. I dont think any HF residents would give a crap. This boils down to location. Take ownership of that and move on. If you were concerned about the Chinese factories, you wouldnt be wearing half the clothes on your body or shopping in half the stores you do. Remember, made in China is made in China. No matter where you shop or what you buy. If you walk into the Dollar General and buy a made in USA item, dont be ignorant to the fact that you are supporting THEM and their majority of MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS.
'As I mentioned earlier in this string, I am not against development and people that I talk to are not as well. What would be nice is to have the Town Board actually do the WORK OF ACCEPTING the master comprehensive plan or work on the modifications to get it into town law and zoning. This is what they are elected to do.
What happened years ago has little relevance to the fact that the world's second largest company is trying to change our area by asking us to rezone farmland for their use. The use they are seeking is simply not currently permitted. As Mike points out, many Lima dollars find a way to WalMart now. I guess that might be because they have 3 stores within 25 mintues of Lima. Why should we buckle to this? We have so little to gain but so much to lose!
Lima resident

York, NY

#13 May 4, 2006
beresponsible wrote:
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'As I mentioned earlier in this string, I am not against development and people that I talk to are not as well. What would be nice is to have the Town Board actually do the WORK OF ACCEPTING the master comprehensive plan or work on the modifications to get it into town law and zoning. This is what they are elected to do.
What happened years ago has little relevance to the fact that the world's second largest company is trying to change our area by asking us to rezone farmland for their use. The use they are seeking is simply not currently permitted. As Mike points out, many Lima dollars find a way to WalMart now. I guess that might be because they have 3 stores within 25 mintues of Lima. Why should we buckle to this? We have so little to gain but so much to lose!
Will someone please explain to me what store and how many people are involved in the "comprehensive plan"? Can they name one store that is willing to come into Lima under this plan? As far as I can see, All this stuff is smoke and mirrors. On one side, I have Walmart. On the other side I have a comprehensive plan which doesnt tell me, the average Lima resident, anything. Everyone wants a responsible development. But WHO defines responsible development?
Another Lima resident

United States

#14 May 4, 2006
Lima resident wrote:
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Will someone please explain to me what store and how many people are involved in the "comprehensive plan"? Can they name one store that is willing to come into Lima under this plan? As far as I can see, All this stuff is smoke and mirrors. On one side, I have Walmart. On the other side I have a comprehensive plan which doesnt tell me, the average Lima resident, anything. Everyone wants a responsible development. But WHO defines responsible development?
What we don't need in Lima is another store. In my opinion, we need development of the responsible kind in the form of industrial and/or manufacturing. Bring quality jobs to Lima, not part-time, low paying, no benefit kind of jobs. We deserve better.
amused

Linden, NJ

#15 May 4, 2006
Finally I cannot wait to see the beautiful night sky, lit up to 1800000 lumes. It will be like our own aurora borealis, over the store. Just dumb.
Another Lima resident

United States

#16 May 5, 2006
If any of you were among the 700 or so that turned out last night for the meeting - I was one - you would know that our Town Board members voted at the regular meeting yesterday (held at 11:00 am as to not interfere with the Walmart issue) to disband our Comprehensive Plan Committee. Apparently the Town Board members felt they were at "lager heads" with the committee so they just went ahead and disbanded it. There were no CPC members at the earlier Town Board Meeting - they were called by one of the Board members just before the 7 pm meeting and given a heads up. Scary! So much for the Comprehensive Plan. Apparently the Town Board feels that it needs to spend the additional money to have an independent firm do the plan.

The meeting was impressive. Many concerned citizens and a petition against the rezoning of the farm on 15a with over 720 signatures was presented to the board.
beresponsible

Webster, NY

#17 May 5, 2006
Another Lima resident wrote:
If any of you were among the 700 or so that turned out last night for the meeting - I was one - you would know that our Town Board members voted at the regular meeting yesterday (held at 11:00 am as to not interfere with the Walmart issue) to disband our Comprehensive Plan Committee. Apparently the Town Board members felt they were at "lager heads" with the committee so they just went ahead and disbanded it. There were no CPC members at the earlier Town Board Meeting - they were called by one of the Board members just before the 7 pm meeting and given a heads up. Scary! So much for the Comprehensive Plan. Apparently the Town Board feels that it needs to spend the additional money to have an independent firm do the plan.
The meeting was impressive. Many concerned citizens and a petition against the rezoning of the farm on 15a with over 720 signatures was presented to the board.
I was there too.
It seems pretty clear what the majority of citizens want.....it also seems clear (and unfortunate) what our elected officials want.
This situation looks to get ugly in the months ahead.
Main Street Lima

Rochester, NY

#18 May 5, 2006
I find in interesting that the Board is at lager heads with the people who formulated the plan. This plan was done with community involvement. I remember filling out the survey and making my opinion known in other ways as well.
Basically this is the will of the people and the Board is dismissing it because they do not like it? The question becomes who are they working for?
Lima resident

Rochester, NY

#19 May 6, 2006
Letís not repeat the same mistake over again. In 1935 Lima refused to let the city of Rochester run the water lines through Lima from Hemlock to Rochester. About 20 years ago we paid a few Million Dollars to get the water lines out to Lima. If we had been more open to letting business come to our town over the years Walmart most likely would not be trying to come in. What happens when Lima residents do most of their shopping in other towns? Remaining businesses are killed. We have high property tax (Limaís school tax higher per thousand than Mendon). I would think at some point this would hurt your property value. At this point itís hard to judge this before getting all the facts. This will be one of the biggest decisions ever made in Lima. This chance may never come again. I have faith that our Town Board members will make the right choice for Limaís future.
LIMA not HF resident

York, NY

#20 May 7, 2006
I want to know how many of the "supporters" signed that petition in the very beginning when only speculation of a distribution center was supposed to be the issue. I, along with many other signers, signed under false speculation. I am also curious as to how many of the 720 people against Walmart were actually LIMA residents. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. 720 signatures out of how many Lima residents....The average Lima resident may not be able to afford a "campain" and have signs made. But we CAN petition FOR Walmart and this we will.......

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