Farmington city council strikes down proposed Albuquerque flight...

May 11, 2013 Full story: Farmington Daily Times 212

Farmington city council did not approve a proposed subsidized flight route from Four Corners Regional Airport to Albuquerque during a special work session Friday morning.

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Overtaxed

Albuquerque, NM

#21 May 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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So, you've NEVER had a home loan, and you've never deducted mortgage interest? You NEVER had kids to deduct?
Of course deductions are not socialism. Saying so is idiocy. Get a mortgage and have some kids, so you can benefit from the tax laws! Your missing out!
Deductions only offset the high taxes that people already pay.
If you want to talk about socialism, the taxes we pay, no matter how low or high, are socialism. Why should I have to pay income taxes on income that I, alone, earn? Why should I have to pay property taxes on my backcountry place that is on a private dirt road that is maintained by the landowners who own land out there, with no help from any government agency? At the same time, why should the county be able to come onto that private land, and put up street signs that nobody wants, naming the roads names that nobody wants, and then tell us landowners that we have no say? That is socialism.
Deductions are not socialism, taxes are.
You are right! If we want to talk about socialism, we should be talking about the taxes we pay for the good of all. At least that is what they say. That is socialism. NOT paying taxes is not socialism. And if it's legal, it's not even un-ethical.

Some people want to complain about socialism because everyone doesn't pay the same tax rate. I guess not charging tax on food anymore is socialism too, because we used to pay tax on it and now we don't! Do we want to pay tax on food again so we aren't socialists? We eat at a restaurant and have to pay tax on that food. Why should those who shop at the grocery store and cook at home get to skip out on that tax! According to the whining wonderer, that must be socialism too!

I'd be more willing to call taxation socialism instead of NOT paying taxes socialism, because taxes are a means of "spreading the wealth" and paying for things in a group, and we don't get a choice.

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#22 May 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Telling me to "get a mortgage and have some kids" to get the tax benefits is as ridiculous as me suggesting you get an airplane and then request a "subsidy" to fly people to Albuquerque.
What? You don't know sarcasm when you see it?

Bottom line, if anything is socialism, it's forcing people to pay the government money so they can do community projects that are ostensibly for the good of the people as a whole. Singling out deductions from those taxes as socialism is ridiculous.

But that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about government giving money directly to private business so that business can do something it is not profitable to do. That is a subsidy, and government should NEVER, and I mean NEVER subsidize private business. Nor should government be involved in competition with the private sector. Nor should government provide services that could be effectively provided by the private sector, etc. etc.

Personally, I don't care if an airline, or any business for that matter, pays no taxes whatsoever. All that means is that they get to keep the money they earn. But government should not be giving them money that was forcibly taken away from taxpayers.

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#23 May 15, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
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You are right! If we want to talk about socialism, we should be talking about the taxes we pay for the good of all. At least that is what they say. That is socialism. NOT paying taxes is not socialism. And if it's legal, it's not even un-ethical.
Some people want to complain about socialism because everyone doesn't pay the same tax rate. I guess not charging tax on food anymore is socialism too, because we used to pay tax on it and now we don't! Do we want to pay tax on food again so we aren't socialists? We eat at a restaurant and have to pay tax on that food. Why should those who shop at the grocery store and cook at home get to skip out on that tax! According to the whining wonderer, that must be socialism too!
I'd be more willing to call taxation socialism instead of NOT paying taxes socialism, because taxes are a means of "spreading the wealth" and paying for things in a group, and we don't get a choice.
Quite right! Separating out NOT paying taxes as socialism, without calling the entire tax system socialism, is ridiculous.

I don't know about not paying taxes on food at the grocery store as being socialism, though. Frankly, I don't believe in a consumption, or sales, tax at all. Why should government have the right to take away some of my money because I choose to spend my money on things that I want? I don't believe in an income tax. Why should government have the right to take away some of the money I, alone, earn? Our nation grew and prospered, and even developed an infrastructure, without excessive taxation. Tariffs and property taxes paid for everything. Giving government more money only gives them an excuse to spend more money, and obviously, when government considers giving some of that money to private business in order for them to provide a service that is not otherwise profitable, and therefore not considered necessary by the populace, then that spending has gotten out of hand.
Misunderestimate d Me

United States

#24 May 15, 2013
We (ordinary middle class) have to pay taxes (be it socialism or not) so that our Gov Sucia can hand out tax break to corporations.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/legisla...
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#25 May 15, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard! So government won't stop spending, and it's up to us to pay the bill no matter how high the bill goes? No thank you. Deductions are socialism? No. Not even. Tax deductions are not subsidies. They come from no one's pocket, but let the people keep their own money from being stolen by the government through abnormally high taxation, to pay for their ridiculous spending. Every deduction is deserved, for farms, oil, gas, small business, ranches, and all.
I forget.....what is it called when the government sends a check to farmers for NOT PLANTING on their land.......Oh yea! a
FARM SUBSIDY. I guess they WORK for it so they DESERVE it.

Since: May 13

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#26 May 15, 2013
When I win $379,000,000 in the lottery, how many times will that money be taxed?

Since: May 10

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#27 May 15, 2013
Misunderestimated Me wrote:
We (ordinary middle class) have to pay taxes (be it socialism or not) so that our Gov Sucia can hand out tax break to corporations.
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/legisla...
Errrr...did you actually read the article? Do you know anything about government? She only signed the bill. It was written by the legislature.

AND, it reduces New Mexico's corporate tax, which is currently higher than every surrounding state, and higher than the national average, so that it is more on par with tax rates nationwide.

I applaud Governor Martinez's leadership in helping keep, and bring, business to New Mexico.

Now if only she could convince the anti-oil and gas Democrats in the legislature to rescind their job killing laws that drove away oil and gas jobs. Or better yet, the people of New Mexico could wise up and throw those Democrats out on their asses in the next election.

Since: May 10

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#28 May 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I forget.....what is it called when the government sends a check to farmers for NOT PLANTING on their land.......Oh yea! a
FARM SUBSIDY. I guess they WORK for it so they DESERVE it.
When the government tells farmers not plant or they will go to jail, then government damn sure better reimburse those farmers for the lost production.

Again, it's not check that is socialism, it's the government telling the farmers what they can, or can't, plant.

Once again, government is the problem. The solution is less government.
Overtaxed

Rio Rancho, NM

#29 May 16, 2013
x-and-o wrote:
When I win $379,000,000 in the lottery, how many times will that money be taxed?
Several. You won't even get the whole $379,000,000. If you take it as a lump sum, the government will take close to half right off the top!
Overtaxed

Rio Rancho, NM

#30 May 16, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I forget.....what is it called when the government sends a check to farmers for NOT PLANTING on their land.......Oh yea! a
FARM SUBSIDY. I guess they WORK for it so they DESERVE it.
I guess you've never farmed, or met anyone who had a farm. The government controls pretty much everything they do. The government sets productions levels. Prices. What crops are planted. What kind of seed to use. How much water farmers get. How the crops are processed after they are grown. Almost everything done on a farm is controlled by the government. Whether farmers make money on a cash crop or, or leave fields empty, it determined by the government. When the government tells you whether you are allowed to make a living or not, then the government is on the hook to pay the bills if the government makes the wrong choice, or forces farmers to not plant anything at all.
Overtaxed

Rio Rancho, NM

#31 May 16, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Errrr...did you actually read the article? Do you know anything about government? She only signed the bill. It was written by the legislature.
AND, it reduces New Mexico's corporate tax, which is currently higher than every surrounding state, and higher than the national average, so that it is more on par with tax rates nationwide.
I applaud Governor Martinez's leadership in helping keep, and bring, business to New Mexico.
Now if only she could convince the anti-oil and gas Democrats in the legislature to rescind their job killing laws that drove away oil and gas jobs. Or better yet, the people of New Mexico could wise up and throw those Democrats out on their asses in the next election.
Yay Susanna!

I don't vote for Democrats. They have passed laws that have stopped mining, timber, oil, gas, dairy, ranching, farming, and all sorts of other New Mexico industries. Democrats are the modern job killers. Everyone can't work for the movie making business, and that seems to be all Bill Richardson and Diane Denish wanted to do. All the alternative energy stuff has failed too. What happened to Tesla Motors and all the money Bill Richardson and Diane Denish gave them?
Underworked

Albuquerque, NM

#32 May 16, 2013
I vote for the democrats because they help me to do less work for more pay, I luv them and unions.
Harry L Knuckles

Mesa, AZ

#33 May 16, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Errrr...did you actually read the article? Do you know anything about government? She only signed the bill. It was written by the legislature.
AND, it reduces New Mexico's corporate tax, which is currently higher than every surrounding state, and higher than the national average, so that it is more on par with tax rates nationwide.
I applaud Governor Martinez's leadership in helping keep, and bring, business to New Mexico.
Now if only she could convince the anti-oil and gas Democrats in the legislature to rescind their job killing laws that drove away oil and gas jobs. Or better yet, the people of New Mexico could wise up and throw those Democrats out on their asses in the next election.
Err..I read as far as I could until I threw up a little in my mouth at how Sucia is handing out tax breaks like candy. While the food and medicine tax exemptions are going to be eliminated from certain municipalities like F-town, in order to fund these giveaways.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#34 May 16, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Errrr...did you actually read the article? Do you know anything about government? She only signed the bill. It was written by the legislature.
AND, it reduces New Mexico's corporate tax, which is currently higher than every surrounding state, and higher than the national average, so that it is more on par with tax rates nationwide.
I applaud Governor Martinez's leadership in helping keep, and bring, business to New Mexico.
Now if only she could convince the anti-oil and gas Democrats in the legislature to rescind their job killing laws that drove away oil and gas jobs. Or better yet, the people of New Mexico could wise up and throw those Democrats out on their asses in the next election.
What "job killing" laws did the Democrats pass that is "killing" the oil and gas jobs? The OIL business is BOOMING is the Southeast part of the state due to HIGH OIL PRICES. The GAS business is hurting all over the state, primarily in the SJB because of .......LOW GAS PRICES!!!!! Amazing how the LAWS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND can "kill bjobs".
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#35 May 16, 2013
A bad place for a typo. Should just be JOBS!! Well, maybe that too!!!
Hairy A Knuckles

United States

#36 May 16, 2013
I'd consider voting for her if she got me a "bjob".

LOL

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#37 May 17, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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What "job killing" laws did the Democrats pass that is "killing" the oil and gas jobs? The OIL business is BOOMING is the Southeast part of the state due to HIGH OIL PRICES. The GAS business is hurting all over the state, primarily in the SJB because of .......LOW GAS PRICES!!!!! Amazing how the LAWS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND can "kill bjobs".
Job killing Democrat laws in New Mexico? Well, let's start with the "grand-daddy" of them all, the New Mexico Pit Rule: "the stupidest rule ever crafted by man", according to Representative James Strickler. That one rule is responsible for killing more jobs in New Mexico than likely any other single law, since the Uranium mining business was legislated out of existence in New Mexico 20 years ago. Why, the pit rule even killed Diane Denish's job!

If low natural gas prices are hurting the biz all over the state, how is that so many other states have figured out how to keep their natural gas business profitable, so that so many companies have simply picked up and moved their operations there, taking the jobs, and in many cases, employees with them?

Just in my family alone, three members born and raised here are now working in the natural gas business in Texas. A good friend of mine has picked up his family, including his kids born here, and is moving to Pennsylvania to work in the gas fields there. He's already been working there for a couple of years, hoping New Mexico legislators would pull their heads out of their posteriors so he could find work here again and not have to uproot his family. And one of my wife's best friends from high school moved, with her family, including kids born here, to North Dakota to work in the booming gas fields there. Add to that the myriad local friends of mine who are working out of state while trying to keep their families here, or who left the business when their company packed up and moved to greener natural gas pastures elsewhere.

How can natural gas be such a booming, profitable business everywhere else but here in New Mexico, despite low prices? Why, we know why! The Pit Rule!

And as for that big oil boom in the south? Sure, that will go on while prices are high. Companies flush with cash can afford all the fees and regulations. But wait till the price of oil falls, and then watch that industry shrivel up and blow on out of here just like natural gas did.

There are plenty of states that want the jobs New Mexico Democrats continually throw away.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#38 May 17, 2013
Harry L Knuckles wrote:
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Err..I read as far as I could until I threw up a little in my mouth at how Sucia is handing out tax breaks like candy. While the food and medicine tax exemptions are going to be eliminated from certain municipalities like F-town, in order to fund these giveaways.
Ahh, so you read, but didn't comprehend? There's nothing in the article about food and medicine tax exemptions being eliminated anywhere in New Mexico. What IS going to happen is that the state is going to phase out transferring state tax monies to cities that were hurt by the elimination of the gross receipts tax on groceries and medicine.

And again, tax cuts are not in the least bit similar to "giveaways.

Maybe you should see a doctor about the "throwing up in your mouth" thing. That's not normal.

Acid Reflux, perhaps?

As for Susana, she's got my vote next time too!

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#39 May 17, 2013
Yeah.......that pesky pit rule that our current governor promised to eliminate. Why, it was a campaign "promise." What happened?
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Job killing Democrat laws in New Mexico? Well, let's start with the "grand-daddy" of them all, the New Mexico Pit Rule: "the stupidest rule ever crafted by man", according to Representative James Strickler. That one rule is responsible for killing more jobs in New Mexico than likely any other single law, since the Uranium mining business was legislated out of existence in New Mexico 20 years ago. Why, the pit rule even killed Diane Denish's job!
If low natural gas prices are hurting the biz all over the state, how is that so many other states have figured out how to keep their natural gas business profitable, so that so many companies have simply picked up and moved their operations there, taking the jobs, and in many cases, employees with them?
Just in my family alone, three members born and raised here are now working in the natural gas business in Texas. A good friend of mine has picked up his family, including his kids born here, and is moving to Pennsylvania to work in the gas fields there. He's already been working there for a couple of years, hoping New Mexico legislators would pull their heads out of their posteriors so he could find work here again and not have to uproot his family. And one of my wife's best friends from high school moved, with her family, including kids born here, to North Dakota to work in the booming gas fields there. Add to that the myriad local friends of mine who are working out of state while trying to keep their families here, or who left the business when their company packed up and moved to greener natural gas pastures elsewhere.
How can natural gas be such a booming, profitable business everywhere else but here in New Mexico, despite low prices? Why, we know why! The Pit Rule!
And as for that big oil boom in the south? Sure, that will go on while prices are high. Companies flush with cash can afford all the fees and regulations. But wait till the price of oil falls, and then watch that industry shrivel up and blow on out of here just like natural gas did.
There are plenty of states that want the jobs New Mexico Democrats continually throw away.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#40 May 17, 2013
x-and-o wrote:
Yeah.......that pesky pit rule that our current governor promised to eliminate. Why, it was a campaign "promise." What happened?
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Do you know how government works? The governor doesn't make the laws. She's promised to vote for any bill that is presented to her by the legislature that will eliminate the pit rule, but the legislature hasn't stepped up to do so, because the Democrats there don't really care about the oil and gas business, and they are too ignorant to see the correlation between high paying jobs that take advantage of the resources New Mexico actually has, and prosperity.

Why do you think drilling companies are tapping New Mexico's gas fields from across the border in Texas and Colorado? They have that technology, and it's cheaper to drill from there than to jump through the hoops New Mexico present to them.

If the people of New Mexico ever wise up and stop voting for Democrats like Pavlov's dog salivating at the ring of a bell, we can get this state moving again. Until then, Governor Martinez has to play the hand she was dealt, and the people of New Mexico have dealt her a crappy hand by keeping the same old anti-oil and gas dinosaurs in the state legislature.

The Farmington area would be better represented politically if we seceded from New Mexico and became part of Utah.

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