Farmington city council strikes down proposed Albuquerque flight...

May 11, 2013 Full story: Farmington Daily Times 212

Farmington city council did not approve a proposed subsidized flight route from Four Corners Regional Airport to Albuquerque during a special work session Friday morning.

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#1 May 11, 2013
Good decision. Government should not be subsidizing the airlines, or any other business.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#2 May 12, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
Good decision. Government should not be subsidizing the airlines, or any other business.
What percentaqe of private business' recieve/solicit TAX credits or deductions? I agree with your "subsidizing" comment, but it is definitely very far reaching. NO TAX CREDITS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO ANY PRIVATE BUSINESS.(Do you hear me farming, ranching, oil & gas, etc..........

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#3 May 13, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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What percentaqe of private business' recieve/solicit TAX credits or deductions? I agree with your "subsidizing" comment, but it is definitely very far reaching. NO TAX CREDITS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO ANY PRIVATE BUSINESS.(Do you hear me farming, ranching, oil & gas, etc..........
I was "wondering" when someone was going to come along and equate tax credits with "subsidizing".

Tax credits are not in any way, shape, or form even remotely similar to a subsidy.

Only someone who believes that all wealth belongs to the state could think that letting the private sector keep the money they earn is somehow a "subsidy".

What percentage of private business utilizes tax credits or deductions? I'm hoping 100%.
another

Santa Fe, NM

#4 May 13, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Tax credits are not in any way, shape, or form even remotely similar to a subsidy.

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missive from bizarre world.
Dark Skies

Carlsbad, NM

#5 May 13, 2013
Good job Farmington Council! The further you can stay away from NM Air, the better. They are nothing but absolute trouble- especially the complete jerk that is their owner.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#6 May 13, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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I was "wondering" when someone was going to come along and equate tax credits with "subsidizing".
Tax credits are not in any way, shape, or form even remotely similar to a subsidy.
Only someone who believes that all wealth belongs to the state could think that letting the private sector keep the money they earn is somehow a "subsidy".
What percentage of private business utilizes tax credits or deductions? I'm hoping 100%.
A "Nickel" for your thoughts (if I pay too much, I will apply for a tax credit). I see it as a matter of sematics. Whether a subsidy or a "tax credit", the result is the same....Someone has to make up the lost revenue. It is proven that neither Deomcrats nor Republicans are going to reduce the total expenditures, so the money must come from somewhere. Unfortunately, the middle class winds up paying. ANY DEDUCTION IS SOCIALISM....dependents, home mortgage interest, government guarenteed student loans...you name it. The only income Tax that is not SOCIALISM is a FLAT TAX rate for everyone & business.
Overtaxed

Albuquerque, NM

#7 May 13, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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A "Nickel" for your thoughts (if I pay too much, I will apply for a tax credit). I see it as a matter of sematics. Whether a subsidy or a "tax credit", the result is the same....Someone has to make up the lost revenue. It is proven that neither Deomcrats nor Republicans are going to reduce the total expenditures, so the money must come from somewhere. Unfortunately, the middle class winds up paying. ANY DEDUCTION IS SOCIALISM....dependents, home mortgage interest, government guarenteed student loans...you name it. The only income Tax that is not SOCIALISM is a FLAT TAX rate for everyone & business.
That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard! So government won't stop spending, and it's up to us to pay the bill no matter how high the bill goes? No thank you. Deductions are socialism? No. Not even. Tax deductions are not subsidies. They come from no one's pocket, but let the people keep their own money from being stolen by the government through abnormally high taxation, to pay for their ridiculous spending. Every deduction is deserved, for farms, oil, gas, small business, ranches, and all.
Overtaxed

Albuquerque, NM

#8 May 13, 2013
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missive from bizarre world.
Yeah, that bizarre world where people get to keep the money they earn!

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#9 May 14, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard! So government won't stop spending, and it's up to us to pay the bill no matter how high the bill goes? No thank you. Deductions are socialism? No. Not even. Tax deductions are not subsidies. They come from no one's pocket, but let the people keep their own money from being stolen by the government through abnormally high taxation, to pay for their ridiculous spending. Every deduction is deserved, for farms, oil, gas, small business, ranches, and all.
Agreed! Just because government is irresponsible does not mean that citizens should automatically be "on the hooK" for covering the cost of government's largess. Government overspending is the problem, not too little tax revenue. Giving taxpayer money to private business in order to prop them up financially is one issue, allowing private business (or individuals) to keep the money they earn is something quite different. Thinking that we cannot survive without government is the type of "you didn't build that!" thinking that leads to the financial instability and uncertainty we are currently experiencing.

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#10 May 14, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
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Yeah, that bizarre world where people get to keep the money they earn!
Hear Hear!
We are

Santa Fe, NM

#11 May 14, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
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Yeah, that bizarre world where people get to keep the money they earn!
talking about the distinction between subsidies and tax credits which are two sides of the same coin.

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#12 May 14, 2013
We are wrote:
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talking about the distinction between subsidies and tax credits which are two sides of the same coin.
Only if you believe that wealth is the property of government.

For the rest of us, it's not even close.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#13 May 14, 2013
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard! So government won't stop spending, and it's up to us to pay the bill no matter how high the bill goes? No thank you. Deductions are socialism? No. Not even. Tax deductions are not subsidies. They come from no one's pocket, but let the people keep their own money from being stolen by the government through abnormally high taxation, to pay for their ridiculous spending. Every deduction is deserved, for farms, oil, gas, small business, ranches, and all.
You appear to be over taxed and under educated.
Wealth

Albuquerque, NM

#14 May 14, 2013
doesn't belong to the people, that would be blasphemy.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#15 May 14, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard! So government won't stop spending, and it's up to us to pay the bill no matter how high the bill goes? No thank you. Deductions are socialism? No. Not even. Tax deductions are not subsidies. They come from no one's pocket, but let the people keep their own money from being stolen by the government through abnormally high taxation, to pay for their ridiculous spending. Every deduction is deserved, for farms, oil, gas, small business, ranches, and all.
Deductions are not Socialism?? I don't have dependent children to deduct. I own my home, and therefore don't have mortgage interest to deduct. Why should I pay a higher tax rate than someone else that has identical gross income to pay for THEIR children and mortgage. I had nothing to do with the decision for them to have kids, nor did I sign their name on a loan application. I should not have to pay more to feed, clothe, or educate their children. Sound like a "handout" to me. SOCIALISM in the truist form! Get your head out.....

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#16 May 14, 2013
This is So right on.
Wondering wrote:
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Deductions are not Socialism?? I don't have dependent children to deduct. I own my home, and therefore don't have mortgage interest to deduct. Why should I pay a higher tax rate than someone else that has identical gross income to pay for THEIR children and mortgage. I had nothing to do with the decision for them to have kids, nor did I sign their name on a loan application. I should not have to pay more to feed, clothe, or educate their children. Sound like a "handout" to me. SOCIALISM in the truist form! Get your head out.....

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#17 May 14, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Deductions are not Socialism?? I don't have dependent children to deduct. I own my home, and therefore don't have mortgage interest to deduct. Why should I pay a higher tax rate than someone else that has identical gross income to pay for THEIR children and mortgage. I had nothing to do with the decision for them to have kids, nor did I sign their name on a loan application. I should not have to pay more to feed, clothe, or educate their children. Sound like a "handout" to me. SOCIALISM in the truist form! Get your head out.....
So, you've NEVER had a home loan, and you've never deducted mortgage interest? You NEVER had kids to deduct?

Of course deductions are not socialism. Saying so is idiocy. Get a mortgage and have some kids, so you can benefit from the tax laws! Your missing out!

Deductions only offset the high taxes that people already pay.

If you want to talk about socialism, the taxes we pay, no matter how low or high, are socialism. Why should I have to pay income taxes on income that I, alone, earn? Why should I have to pay property taxes on my backcountry place that is on a private dirt road that is maintained by the landowners who own land out there, with no help from any government agency? At the same time, why should the county be able to come onto that private land, and put up street signs that nobody wants, naming the roads names that nobody wants, and then tell us landowners that we have no say? That is socialism.

Deductions are not socialism, taxes are.
coo

Santa Fe, NM

#18 May 14, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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If you want to talk about socialism, the taxes we pay, no matter how low or high, are socialism.
koo
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#19 May 14, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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So, you've NEVER had a home loan, and you've never deducted mortgage interest? You NEVER had kids to deduct?
Of course deductions are not socialism. Saying so is idiocy. Get a mortgage and have some kids, so you can benefit from the tax laws! Your missing out!
Deductions only offset the high taxes that people already pay.
If you want to talk about socialism, the taxes we pay, no matter how low or high, are socialism. Why should I have to pay income taxes on income that I, alone, earn? Why should I have to pay property taxes on my backcountry place that is on a private dirt road that is maintained by the landowners who own land out there, with no help from any government agency? At the same time, why should the county be able to come onto that private land, and put up street signs that nobody wants, naming the roads names that nobody wants, and then tell us landowners that we have no say? That is socialism.
Deductions are not socialism, taxes are.

Telling me to "get a mortgage and have some kids" to get the tax benefits is as ridiculous as me suggesting you get an airplane and then request a "subsidy" to fly people to Albuquerque.
Overtaxed

Albuquerque, NM

#20 May 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Deductions are not Socialism?? I don't have dependent children to deduct. I own my home, and therefore don't have mortgage interest to deduct. Why should I pay a higher tax rate than someone else that has identical gross income to pay for THEIR children and mortgage. I had nothing to do with the decision for them to have kids, nor did I sign their name on a loan application. I should not have to pay more to feed, clothe, or educate their children. Sound like a "handout" to me. SOCIALISM in the truist form! Get your head out.....
No. Deductions are not socialism. How you can say so is beyond me. I suppose you think coupons that give you money off an item at the store is socialism too? How about the few dollar break you get by registering your car online instead of going to the MVD..is that socialism too? How about the deduction you get on your property taxes for living in the home you own? Socialism or not?

Your taxes do not pay to feed, clothe, or educate my children, so stop lying about that. Or maybe you didn't know? You've gone through life thinking that your taxes pay for other people's food and clothes? I guess you'd better educate yourself on that, because you are wrong. Now you can sleep at night, since you know the truth!

Did you ever have kids or a house payment? Ever take those deductions? The how does it feel for you to think yourself a socialist? Don't worry, I don't consider you a socialist. Because deductions are not socialism.

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