Since: May 13

Location hidden

#21 Jul 21, 2013
Three provisions were expiring. Their renewal was supported by the Obama white house and a majority if repubs over the objections of Russ Feingold and Dick Durbin--two "liberal" Democrats.
Your conservative Bush is the Patriot Act king. During his reign, he even had a couple of years with a repub congress and still didn't fulfill his conservative roots.
I'd say all you cons are massive hypocrites.
Center Right wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, no. The Patriot Act was set to expire, and President Obama renewed it. It's only the "law of the land" because Obama signed the renewal.
Which, of course, makes President Obama a hypocrite, because he fooled you lefties in to voting for him by campaigning against the Patriot Act, and promising to eliminate it, or at least change it. If were a leftist, I'd be pissed by such betrayal. But of course, I'm not a leftist. I don't have any particular problem with the Patriot Act.
Have you supported the Patriot Act all along?
Center Right

Corrales, NM

#22 Jul 21, 2013
x-and-o wrote:
Three provisions were expiring. Their renewal was supported by the Obama white house and a majority if repubs over the objections of Russ Feingold and Dick Durbin--two "liberal" Democrats.
Your conservative Bush is the Patriot Act king. During his reign, he even had a couple of years with a repub congress and still didn't fulfill his conservative roots.
I'd say all you cons are massive hypocrites.
<quoted text>
You can say anything you want, but you are wrong. You lefties who blindly support Obama while he betrays your cause and ignores his campaign promises are the true hypocrites. You put skin-color and personality over substance every time. We got used to that with Clinton, "the first black president", so there's no real surprise there. But at least some of you actually stand by principle, and I admire someone who stands by their principles, even if the principles are wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...

I already said that I don't have a problem with the Patriot Act. I supported it during Bush's presidency, and I support it now. Obama lied to you, and did the right thing. Call if "on the job training" if you will. So no, that's not hypocrisy. What's hypocrisy is you lefties railing against the Patriot Act while you also support your man-child king who renewed it.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#23 Jul 21, 2013
You're fine with TPA and don't mind that it violates several clearly stated constitutional rights. I suppose you're also a supporter of more strict gun laws/regulations than we currently have?
Center Right wrote:
<quoted text>
You can say anything you want, but you are wrong. You lefties who blindly support Obama while he betrays your cause and ignores his campaign promises are the true hypocrites. You put skin-color and personality over substance every time. We got used to that with Clinton, "the first black president", so there's no real surprise there. But at least some of you actually stand by principle, and I admire someone who stands by their principles, even if the principles are wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutc...
I already said that I don't have a problem with the Patriot Act. I supported it during Bush's presidency, and I support it now. Obama lied to you, and did the right thing. Call if "on the job training" if you will. So no, that's not hypocrisy. What's hypocrisy is you lefties railing against the Patriot Act while you also support your man-child king who renewed it.
factologist

Farmington, NM

#24 Jul 21, 2013
Center Right wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, no. The Patriot Act was set to expire, and President Obama renewed it. It's only the "law of the land" because Obama signed the renewal.
One hell of a lot more to this story than you are explaining. For example, Obama renewed only 4 parts of it and those parts had changes even.
Which, of course, makes President Obama a hypocrite, because he fooled you lefties in to voting for him by campaigning against the Patriot Act, and promising to eliminate it, or at least change it.
Again, one hell of a lot more to this story than you are explaining.Obama signed the Sunset Extension in 2011. He won by a liberal turnout landslide in 2012. That doesn't sound like a lot of fooled libs to me.
If were a leftist, I'd be pissed by such betrayal. But of course, I'm not a leftist.
I am a leftist. I'm glad you're not.
I don't have any particular problem with the Patriot Act.
Have you supported the Patriot Act all along?
I have not been a fan of the "idea" of it and the details are much too complex for me to really access.
factologist

Farmington, NM

#25 Jul 21, 2013
A little "factual" background is in order-something you will rarely see from the cons).

The original USA Patriot Act passed in the House and in the Senate by a and was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001—45 days after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 14 of its 16 original provisions were made permanent by the USA Patriot and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act of 2005. But provisions on “roving wiretaps”(section 206) and access to business documents (section 215) were given 4 year extensions due to concerns by some at that time that they overstepped boundaries on civil liberties. Those two provisions and the "lone wolf" measure, section 6001(a) of the Intelligence Reform of Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 intelligence law, have required numerous temporary extensions as lawmakers debated how best to ensure that they were not abusing individual rights while upholding the national security
interests of the nation.
On February 8, 2011, a bill to extend these three expiring provisions from February 28, 2011 until December 8, 2011 (H.R. 514) failed to receive the required two-thirds majority vote for passage under suspension of the rules. On Monday, February 14,2011, this bill was brought up again under a closed rule and passed by a vote of 275-144. The next day, by unanimous consent, the Senate amended H.R. 514 by shortening the extension for
these three expiring provisions from December 8, 2011 to May 27, 2011. The House passed the Senate amendment and the President signed this extension into law on February 25, 2011. All three of these provisions are scheduled to expire at 12:01am,
Friday, May 27, 2011.
Subsequently, the PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 -signed into law by President Obama Amends the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 to extend through June 1, 2015, a provision granting roving electronic surveillance authority and the Prevention Act of 2004 to extend until June 1, 2015, a provision revising the definition of an "agent of a foreign power" to include any non-U.S. person who engages in international terrorism or preparatory activities ("lone wolf" provision).Obama also signed this bill into law.
more

Santa Fe, NM

#26 Jul 21, 2013
Center Right wrote:
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racist crap.

Aside from the slurs, what you are really saying is that you think that ideological purity and political posturing is more important than pragmatism and governing. That attitude is by far the biggest problem facing the country right now.

In the previous Cheney administration (lets face it, he called the shots most of the time) you had a bunch in there (with few exceptions) that believed that anything could be justified in terms of national security and then started a phony war based on deception. To this day, they make no apologies. Much better to have a smart, thoughtful president who does not start from a place of accepting the crap that was handed to him and actually questions and weighs decisions. I don't always agree, but I have far more trust in him than in any of those who pride themselves on being consistently ideological. His biggest weakness is that he still thinks there are honest players in Congress who care more about country than ideology and political posturing.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#27 Jul 21, 2013
This
more wrote:
<quoted text>
racist crap.
Aside from the slurs, what you are really saying is that you think that ideological purity and political posturing is more important than pragmatism and governing. That attitude is by far the biggest problem facing the country right now.
In the previous Cheney administration (lets face it, he called the shots most of the time) you had a bunch in there (with few exceptions) that believed that anything could be justified in terms of national security and then started a phony war based on deception. To this day, they make no apologies. Much better to have a smart, thoughtful president who does not start from a place of accepting the crap that was handed to him and actually questions and weighs decisions. I don't always agree, but I have far more trust in him than in any of those who pride themselves on being consistently ideological. His biggest weakness is that he still thinks there are honest players in Congress who care more about country than ideology and political posturing.
Carry A Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#28 Jul 21, 2013
Turbo wrote:
Farmington conservatives are an especially painful brand of stupid. Ouch
Yeah, but where else in NM, can you give a good beat down to a Nav, then have a good bowl of mutton stew and fried bread to cap off the day. LOL
Center Right

Corrales, NM

#29 Jul 21, 2013
x-and-o wrote:
You're fine with TPA and don't mind that it violates several clearly stated constitutional rights. I suppose you're also a supporter of more strict gun laws/regulations than we currently have?
<quoted text>
The Patriot Act hasn't violated a single one of my constitutional rights. It hasn't violated a single one of yours, either. That's a "red herring" argument you lefties have been using, unsuccessfully, for years now. But the man you voted for renewed the Patriot Act anyway, so I guess if you believe the Patriot Act violates constitutional rights, your guy did it, and you have to live with that.
Center Right

Corrales, NM

#30 Jul 21, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>One hell of a lot more to this story than you are explaining. For example, Obama renewed only 4 parts of it and those parts had changes even.
<quoted text>Again, one hell of a lot more to this story than you are explaining.Obama signed the Sunset Extension in 2011. He won by a liberal turnout landslide in 2012. That doesn't sound like a lot of fooled libs to me.
<quoted text>I am a leftist. I'm glad you're not.
<quoted text>I have not been a fan of the "idea" of it and the details are much too complex for me to really access.
You better get your story co-ordinated with X-and-O there, he says it was only three. And since when did winning by less than three percent equal a landslide? Since never, that's when. We do agree on one point, I'm glad I'm not a leftist too.
Center Right

Corrales, NM

#31 Jul 21, 2013
more wrote:
<quoted text>
racist crap.
Aside from the slurs, what you are really saying is that you think that ideological purity and political posturing is more important than pragmatism and governing. That attitude is by far the biggest problem facing the country right now.
In the previous Cheney administration (lets face it, he called the shots most of the time) you had a bunch in there (with few exceptions) that believed that anything could be justified in terms of national security and then started a phony war based on deception. To this day, they make no apologies. Much better to have a smart, thoughtful president who does not start from a place of accepting the crap that was handed to him and actually questions and weighs decisions. I don't always agree, but I have far more trust in him than in any of those who pride themselves on being consistently ideological. His biggest weakness is that he still thinks there are honest players in Congress who care more about country than ideology and political posturing.
If you trust Barack Obama, you are an idiot.
Ben Dover

Albuquerque, NM

#32 Jul 22, 2013
Yep, seems like the scourge of liberalism has invaded pretty much everyplace in the United States these days. But in some places, at least, Americans have been able to keep it under control. Seems San Juan County is one of those places. It's not like Santa Fe, where the inmates rule the asylum.
were down to

Albuquerque, NM

#33 Jul 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
Yep, seems like the scourge of liberalism has invaded pretty much everyplace in the United States these days. But in some places, at least, Americans have been able to keep it under control. Seems San Juan County is one of those places. It's not like Santa Fe, where the inmates rule the asylum.
"hair-splitting".... i.e. on the part of "pro"gressives anymore. George W. Bush ran for office 9 years ago! GWBush left office over 5+ years ago!

For "pro" gressives these 5+ years do not mean any-thing and (in their warped minds), it shouldn't mean anything to the public. "Dear Leader" was elected not because of his experience (because he never had any except organizing community events).

But the facts are evident independents and THOSE 5%'s who voted this man are not happy and we get to see some TV DePravda news now and then reporting 'unhappy' stories for Obama camp but most times with twist, "it was George Bush's fault"!
It is HIS watch

Albuquerque, NM

#34 Jul 22, 2013
if the shoe fits, wear it.

Barrack Obama LIES while America DIES......
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#35 Jul 22, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>One hell of a lot more to this story than you are explaining. For example, Obama renewed only 4 parts of it and those parts had changes even.
<quoted text>Again, one hell of a lot more to this story than you are explaining.Obama signed the Sunset Extension in 2011. He won by a liberal turnout landslide in 2012. That doesn't sound like a lot of fooled libs to me.
<quoted text>I am a leftist. I'm glad you're not.
<quoted text>I have not been a fan of the "idea" of it and the details are much too complex for me to really access.
So what you are saying, then, is that most liberals actually SUPPORT the Patriot Act?

“"Hold the Rope"”

Since: Mar 12

Kirtland New Mexico

#36 Jul 22, 2013
The liberals are begrudgingly tolerated. But not accepted.....especially to the west of Farmington.
If these

Albuquerque, NM

#37 Jul 22, 2013
Whammer Jammer wrote:
The liberals are begrudgingly tolerated. But not accepted.....especially to the west of Farmington.
Navajo voters could 're-vote', would they vote this IMPOSTER back into the White House?

Barck Obama 'promised' every-thing for legit American Indian affairs, but turns around to push for citizenship for not estimate of 11 million-plus, but rather 20+ million illegal aliens. Either way woudl legit American affairs be able to compete with political savy-money bearing Illegal ALien voters - no.

Another example of how DEMOCRATS use 'social''race' issues for power and influence. Though NOW - in 2013 - there is NO FEDERAL DOLLARS to carry considering the US Federal Deficit is just under 17 TRILLION dollars now.

And where is Barck Obama headed to? Vacation somewhere....again.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#38 Jul 22, 2013
If these wrote:
<quoted text>
Navajo voters could 're-vote', would they vote this IMPOSTER back into the White House?
Barck Obama 'promised' every-thing for legit American Indian affairs, but turns around to push for citizenship for not estimate of 11 million-plus, but rather 20+ million illegal aliens. Either way woudl legit American affairs be able to compete with political savy-money bearing Illegal ALien voters - no.
Another example of how DEMOCRATS use 'social''race' issues for power and influence. Though NOW - in 2013 - there is NO FEDERAL DOLLARS to carry considering the US Federal Deficit is just under 17 TRILLION dollars now.
And where is Barck Obama headed to? Vacation somewhere....again.


Thanks, you prove my point precisely.

factologist

Farmington, NM

#39 Jul 22, 2013
Center Right wrote:
<quoted text>
You better get your story co-ordinated with X-and-O there, he says it was only three. And since when did winning by less than three percent equal a landslide? Since never, that's when. We do agree on one point, I'm glad I'm not a leftist too.
I said a landslide of libs, not total voters.
Three that were already in the PA but due to expire and one new one.
I'm not sure what you are trying to discuss here, Obama is a bad prez for changing his mind about a changed PA or pro/con PA.

Cons have their place. No, let me rephrase that. Some cons have a place in some debates. I'm glad we have those cons; others should be censored.
But speaking of the PA,- assuming you're interested- you should go back over the history of the bill and look at the problems even Reps had with the 3 acts that were prescribed to expire and what that was all about with the courts and con public opinion. Some issues just are good/bad for the country, ideology aside.
factologist

Farmington, NM

#40 Jul 22, 2013
Center Right wrote:
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If you trust Barack Obama, you are an idiot.
If you don't trust Obama you're a fool.

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