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Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#62 Apr 2, 2013
The point of my comment was the pledge makes us look or promise our loyalty to the republic or nation or federal aspect of our government. Not a self interest statement.

So, you pledge your self to the federal government?
So, you pledge your self to the federal government with a Bellamy salute?
Having the pledge in school does not bother me, just religion in schools bothers me. And by the way. I am not a liberal or what you call lefty.

Hopefully you looked up what a Bellamy salute is.
I agree with the original pledge and how it reads, I do not like what it was changed to in the 1930ies.

Same goes for 2nd amendment,( concerning guns) it also has been change quite a few times from its original content.

No I would not advocate its reinstatement with the added religious verbiage. Religion and school does not mix well. Play it like it was written so to speak.
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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If it's that important to you, why don't you lead the charge to get the Bellamy salute reinstated?
When I was in school, it was mandatory to salute the flag and say the pledge of allegiance. But thanks to anti-American self-loathing leftists, neither is required any longer.
So why don't you also lead the charge to get the pledge reinstated in schools? Put up or shut up.
Don't pretend you care about a salute or the pledge now.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#63 Apr 2, 2013
Ok Cary I will speak a little-bit slower.

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag.

And the republic of the United States of America,

So, if one supports the original pledge,

He is supporting the federal government.

Federal flag,
Not the state flag.
Not the religious flag.
Not the anarchy insurrection,
The founding fathers sought to place trust in the power of the ordered liberty of democratic government versus the anarchy of insurrectionists

Stuff your quotes.
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians.”– George Mason, co-author of the 2nd Amendment.
“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves.”– Richard Henry Lee.
“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.”– Samuel Adams.
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.”– George Washington
“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”– Patrick Henry.
“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”– Alexander Hamilton.
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”– Thomas Jefferson.
“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.”– George Mason.
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.”– Noah Webster.
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.”– James Madison.
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”– Benjamin Franklin.
“A free people ought to be armed.”– George Washington.
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”– Thomas Jefferson.
“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”– George Washington.

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#64 Apr 2, 2013
Why Dat wrote:
Ok Cary I will speak a little-bit slower.
The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag.
And the republic of the United States of America,
So, if one supports the original pledge,
He is supporting the federal government.
Federal flag,
Not the state flag.
Not the religious flag.
Not the anarchy insurrection,
The founding fathers sought to place trust in the power of the ordered liberty of democratic government versus the anarchy of insurrectionists
Stuff your quotes.
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Speak, or type, as fast or as slow as you like. I will disagree with you either way.

I'll stick with the words of the founders.

Oh, and the United States was founded as a Christian nation, with divine intervention playing a huge role in it's creation.

That ought to frost ya'. LOL!

And I'll stick with the 2nd Amendment as well, as interpreted by the same founders who had a hand in the creation of our nation.
Cary L Nickel

Los Alamos, NM

#65 Apr 3, 2013
Ps the world is 6,000 yrs old. Michelle bachman is the smartest person since sarah palin. Jesus was white. The bible is a historical text. The republican party is relevant.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#66 Apr 3, 2013
I'm sure everyone was completely surprised that the NRA recommended more guns in schools. Sounds like a sales gimmick to me. Did they offer to donate the needed guns? I wonder if GM or FORD would like to suggest more school owned vehicles!! Unless the NRA supplies all funding for their recommendation, this sounds like a pretty sleazy move if you ask me. I don't want them (NRA)raising my taxes.
Blind Simpleton

Albuquerque, NM

#67 Apr 3, 2013
Wondering wrote:
I'm sure everyone was completely surprised that the NRA recommended more guns in schools. Sounds like a sales gimmick to me. Did they offer to donate the needed guns? I wonder if GM or FORD would like to suggest more school owned vehicles!! Unless the NRA supplies all funding for their recommendation, this sounds like a pretty sleazy move if you ask me. I don't want them (NRA)raising my taxes.
What planet are you on? Do you actually sit back and wait for someone else to protect you and your family when you're faced with a home invasion? Face it, with budget constraints hitting every local government, do you actually expect a police officer to be available at your whim?
Now, back to our nations history....What did the Jews do during the pre-WWII? Why do we have VETERANS from that era? What did they fight for? In an occupied country...they bit away at the citizen's rights...little by little. Until, every single man and woman was forced to give up their firearms, their rights. You may say to yourself...why did those people willingly board those trains....why? Because they had an oozy aimed at their head. Would the circumstances have been different if the victims had self defense? Of course! You and others like you chip away at our Constitution. Why was it written the way it was written? BECAUSE THEY CAME TO A NEW COUNTRY WHERE THE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT WAS 'FREEDOM'. The right to bear arms is not a 'fly-by-night' whim. It's set in stone for a reason. It's our right, as citizens of these United States of America to protect our homes and our way of life against threats foreign and domestic. It's not rocket science...it's the law. Who keeps those laws in check? Do some research. What oath do our law enforcement officers take? Our elected officials? Who's willing to stand behind their oath? Not the politicans. The true law enforcement officers will step up. They'll put their name on the line. You? Pathetic. Hide behind children. Who's going to respond to your child's school in case of any threat....foreign or domestic????? Hmm....coward.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#68 Apr 4, 2013
Blind Simpleton wrote:
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What planet are you on? Do you actually sit back and wait for someone else to protect you and your family when you're faced with a home invasion? Face it, with budget constraints hitting every local government, do you actually expect a police officer to be available at your whim?
Now, back to our nations history....What did the Jews do during the pre-WWII? Why do we have VETERANS from that era? What did they fight for? In an occupied country...they bit away at the citizen's rights...little by little. Until, every single man and woman was forced to give up their firearms, their rights. You may say to yourself...why did those people willingly board those trains....why? Because they had an oozy aimed at their head. Would the circumstances have been different if the victims had self defense? Of course! You and others like you chip away at our Constitution. Why was it written the way it was written? BECAUSE THEY CAME TO A NEW COUNTRY WHERE THE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT WAS 'FREEDOM'. The right to bear arms is not a 'fly-by-night' whim. It's set in stone for a reason. It's our right, as citizens of these United States of America to protect our homes and our way of life against threats foreign and domestic. It's not rocket science...it's the law. Who keeps those laws in check? Do some research. What oath do our law enforcement officers take? Our elected officials? Who's willing to stand behind their oath? Not the politicans. The true law enforcement officers will step up. They'll put their name on the line. You? Pathetic. Hide behind children. Who's going to respond to your child's school in case of any threat....foreign or domestic????? Hmm....coward.
No, IDIOT, you are obviously on LaLa land. My comments had NOTHING to do with gun control!! I have several guns. My comment was about the NRA self promoting gun sales at taxpayer expense. I still do not want them deciding to raise my taxes. Now, you can give another totally ridiculous response.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#69 Apr 5, 2013
My point exactly. original 2nd amendment, original pledge.

On the Christian nation theory, I am not here to debate the Easter bunny, Santa clause, and the flying spaghetti monster. Cause really I believe that they created the declaration of independence and the bill of rights. Oh yea, they also created guns.

I'll stick with the words of the founders.
Oh, and the United States was founded as a Christian nation, with divine intervention playing a huge role in it's creation.

Since: May 10

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#70 Apr 15, 2013
Why Dat wrote:
My point exactly. original 2nd amendment, original pledge.
On the Christian nation theory, I am not here to debate the Easter bunny, Santa clause, and the flying spaghetti monster. Cause really I believe that they created the declaration of independence and the bill of rights. Oh yea, they also created guns.
I'll stick with the words of the founders.
Oh, and the United States was founded as a Christian nation, with divine intervention playing a huge role in it's creation.
How's that "original second amendment" thing going? Got your representatives to call for a constitutional convention yet? Let's hear the list of modern liberal Democrat legislators who stand with you.

In the meantime, I'll stand for the Second Amendment we have, as ratified.

Do you also believe that teachers should check the rest of their constitutional rights, such as the First Amendment, at the schoolhouse door? I've heard many a modern lib call for curtailment of freedom of speech.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#71 Apr 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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No, IDIOT, you are obviously on LaLa land. My comments had NOTHING to do with gun control!! I have several guns. My comment was about the NRA self promoting gun sales at taxpayer expense. I still do not want them deciding to raise my taxes. Now, you can give another totally ridiculous response.
The idea that the gun industry needs the NRA to promote gun sales is ludicrous. All the gun industry needs to promote gun sales is for today's fascist modern Democrat party to suggest more gun control, and the gun industry can count on having to put on three shifts for at least a year.

Folks who believe that criminals will follow new laws, when they don't follow the ones we currently have, are the ones who reside in "LaLa land".
xando

Scottsdale, AZ

#72 Apr 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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The idea that the gun industry needs the NRA to promote gun sales is ludicrous. All the gun industry needs to promote gun sales is for today's fascist modern Democrat party to suggest more gun control, and the gun industry can count on having to put on three shifts for at least a year.[™/QUOTE]

.......and you gun nuts preach, wring your hands and rally. Silly people. Obviously Americans' gun rights are not infringed, nor are they threatened. More US citizens own more guns than ever before.

[QUOTE]Folks who believe that criminals will follow new laws, when they don't follow the ones we currently have, are the ones who reside in "LaLa land".
Yeah. All laws are useless. Laws against murder are probably not a deterrent.
xando

Scottsdale, AZ

#73 Apr 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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The idea that the gun industry needs the NRA to promote gun sales is ludicrous. All the gun industry needs to promote gun sales is for today's fascist modern Democrat party to suggest more gun control, and the gun industry can count on having to put on three shifts for at least a year.
.......and you gun nuts preach, wring your hands and rally. Silly people. More US citizens own more guns than ever before. Obviously gun rights are not infringed, nor are they threatened.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#74 Apr 15, 2013
xando wrote:
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Yeah. All laws are useless. Laws against murder are probably not a deterrent.
Looking at the high murder rates in liberal Democrat strongholds like Detroit and Chicago, I would tend to agree.

Law, in general, does not deter crime. Law punishes people for committing crime.

It is the innate nature of individual human beings that deters crime.

Since: May 10

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#75 Apr 15, 2013
xando wrote:
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.......and you gun nuts preach, wring your hands and rally. Silly people. More US citizens own more guns than ever before. Obviously gun rights are not infringed, nor are they threatened.
The fact that you do not believe that 2nd Amendment rights are threatened is an indication of just how uninformed you are.

Thought I believe in the case of most modern liberals, it is not ignorance that causes people to say gun rights are not under attack. It is the fact that modern liberals choose to be willfully misleading in order to further their fascist agenda.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#76 Apr 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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How's that "original second amendment" thing going? Got your representatives to call for a constitutional convention yet? Let's hear the list of modern liberal Democrat legislators who stand with you.
In the meantime, I'll stand for the Second Amendment we have, as ratified.
Do you also believe that teachers should check the rest of their constitutional rights, such as the First Amendment, at the schoolhouse door? I've heard many a modern lib call for curtailment of freedom of speech.
Could you use the term "modern liberal" a few times in your posts? That is SO original and thought provoking.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#77 Apr 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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The fact that you do not believe that 2nd Amendment rights are threatened is an indication of just how uninformed you are.
Of course " 2nd Amendment rights are threatened". Well, 2nd Amendment rights as you see them. But as Justice Scalia-one of yours BTW- all "rights" have limits. We, the aware liberals-actually by definition, all liberals are aware-in the interest of cutting down on gun violence, are simply finding the 2nds limits.
I can only hope that in finding these limits, one or all of them, piss you off. Please Jesus!
Oops, sorry. I forgot you're an non-Christian Christian.

"Founded as a Christian nation"? Hmmm. No mention of Christian in the Constitution.Could it be you are full of shit, as usual?

Since: May 10

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#78 Apr 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Could you use the term "modern liberal" a few times in your posts? That is SO original and thought provoking.
I know you lefties don't like being called out for what you are...but that's the breaks.

Modern leftists like to pretend they are somehow the descendants of the founders (when it suits you), but you certainly are not. And modern leftists quickly break with the founders, labeling them as slave-holding white elitists, when it is clearly pointed out, with direct evidence, that your ideology in no way represents the founder's intent.

Thus, the term "modern liberal", which delineates you from the classical liberalism of early proponents of liberty.

Since: May 10

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#79 Apr 15, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Of course " 2nd Amendment rights are threatened". Well, 2nd Amendment rights as you see them. But as Justice Scalia-one of yours BTW- all "rights" have limits. We, the aware liberals-actually by definition, all liberals are aware-in the interest of cutting down on gun violence, are simply finding the 2nds limits.
I can only hope that in finding these limits, one or all of them, piss you off. Please Jesus!
Oops, sorry. I forgot you're an non-Christian Christian.
"Founded as a Christian nation"? Hmmm. No mention of Christian in the Constitution.Could it be you are full of shit, as usual?
Of course, there's always that pesky U.S. Constitution for you lefties to deal with. Well, get your constitutional convention together and let's see where it goes.

"Aware liberals"? Laughable. The term is the epitome of oxymorons. Today's leftists are among the most ignorant people to ever take up space on planet earth.

As for me being "full of it"? The answer is: In a word, No.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#80 Apr 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
As for me being "full of it"? The answer is: In a word, No.
Aw, don't be so modest.

Since: May 10

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#81 Apr 16, 2013
I think Bill Maher is fine example of how the modern left envisions the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. He may be a complete idiot, but at least he has a spine:

"Everyone on the left is so afraid to say what should be said, which is the Second Amendment is bullsh*t." - Bill Maher

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/0...

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