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#21 Nov 28, 2012
LOL wrote:
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Ha! Sure you do. Your name once again says it all... why dat??? Still not fooling anyone. So sorry that you were not smart enough to get a real job. Or, that you needed the job to validate yourself "me big man"----"me control young kids" Your like the wizard behind the curtain! Most of your students will graduate and move on to the real world and they will then lose some respect for their own parents who had to kiss your ... to try to stay a step ahead of you. Then they will have children of their own and they will understand that it is part of the facade and they will do it too. It still will not change the facts!
Speaking of generational facades and facts of the 'real world', anyone with legitimate experience and understanding knows getting a 'real job' has nothing to do with being smart. On the other hand, whether you spit or swallow. Gulp-Gulp LOL.
Truthsayer

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Nov 29, 2012
bleeding heart liberal wrote:
Revolution
There is a need for engineers the same as there is a need for garbage collectors. Why the disparaging remarks about anyone trying to make an honest living?
Just because you claim to be an engineer does not make you one iota better or brighter than a teacher.
A teachers' job is important and honorable. And yes, as a rule they are under paid.
They have been hamstrung by "No Child Left Behind."
They are no longer able to teach to each child based on their abilities. But, instead have to teach to a one size fits all test.
I am not in any way demeaning cocktail waitresses, but, something is awry when they make more money than a veteran science teacher with a masters degree and as many as 42 students per class.
Teachers deserve respect and support and should be fairly compensated, after all, our future depends on them.......
As everyone knows there are free loaders in every workplace including teachers. I have known a few, only a few. Most are hard working and dedicated.
Hardworking??? Hahaha Food servers work harder, get paid less, and don't get the gravytrain benefits. The problem with the forum (for intelligent discussion)is that teachers are like cockroaches (there are too many of them), and when they get slapped with reality and shut up! another one comes along with their brilliant reply. Teachers have beat the system for a long time and now is the time for the system to catch up to them and force them to be accountable. The cream (and there are many) shall rise to the top, and the bottom feeders (there are even more) will sink into the stench where they belong.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#23 Nov 30, 2012
LOL wrote:
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Ha! Sure you do. Your name once again says it all... why dat??? Still not fooling anyone. So sorry that you were not smart enough to get a real job. Or, that you needed the job to validate yourself "me big man"----"me control young kids" Your like the wizard behind the curtain! Most of your students will graduate and move on to the real world and they will then lose some respect for their own parents who had to kiss your ... to try to stay a step ahead of you. Then they will have children of their own and they will understand that it is part of the facade and they will do it too. It still will not change the facts!
Not a teacher. What won't change which facts?
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#24 Nov 30, 2012
Truthsayer wrote:
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Hardworking??? Hahaha Food servers work harder, get paid less, and don't get the gravytrain benefits. The problem with the forum (for intelligent discussion)is that teachers are like cockroaches (there are too many of them), and when they get slapped with reality and shut up! another one comes along with their brilliant reply. Teachers have beat the system for a long time and now is the time for the system to catch up to them and force them to be accountable. The cream (and there are many) shall rise to the top, and the bottom feeders (there are even more) will sink into the stench where they belong.
Yes, there are bad teachers, yes, there are bad engineers.
Yes, "engineers will beat any system "
Hire one, and see what one costs, see for your self who recieves the gravey-train.
Yes bad teachers, bad engineers will sink.
And yes, cockroaches like you will allways be with us.
ur stupid

United States

#25 Dec 4, 2012
Why dat? Gravy has no "e", yourself is all one word, and receive is "I before e, except after c" ....just saying. And no, I'm no teacher.
clouds

United States

#26 Dec 5, 2012
ur stupid wrote:
Why dat? Gravy has no "e", yourself is all one word, and receive is "I before e, except after c" ....just saying. And no, I'm no teacher.
Obviously you're not a teacher--they can't spell.
Lizzy

Albuquerque, NM

#27 Dec 5, 2012
A grading system should be put in place which lists all teachers and their pass/fail information. A good teacher both will have the ability to teach any child--the smart, the dumb, the lazy, and so on. This is the most important part of their job. It's not to preach to parents about what's not being done at home. The grading grading should be public knowledge and available for viewing at all times. It could be the tool used to pick teachers who can get the job done without the excuses. The record of New Mexico education system speaks for itself. We need reform and we need it now. Ding them, cut their pay, cut their benefits, increase the pay for those who are PERFORMING---Just like it is in the REAL world.
factologist

Farmington, NM

#28 Dec 5, 2012
Lizzy wrote:
A grading system should be put in place which lists all teachers and their pass/fail information. A good teacher both will have the ability to teach any child--the smart, the dumb, the lazy, and so on. This is the most important part of their job. It's not to preach to parents about what's not being done at home. The grading grading should be public knowledge and available for viewing at all times. It could be the tool used to pick teachers who can get the job done without the excuses. The record of New Mexico education system speaks for itself. We need reform and we need it now. Ding them, cut their pay, cut their benefits, increase the pay for those who are PERFORMING---Just like it is in the REAL world.
If you "cut their pay, cut their benefits"- for under performing teachers,that is- what you would have is an under performing teacher who gets paid less, with less benefits than they were previously.(In the "REAL world you speak of, it's been shown time and again that changes in pay- up or down- won't change employee performance). The goal is to educate students. If a teacher can't teach- what ever that means- they should be terminated.
But, alas, the devil is in the detail. The detail in this case is, how to evaluate a teacher's performance.To be fair, it is not as easy as you might believe.
I refer you to an article written in the "Educationnext" journal.
http://educationnext.org/evaluating-teacher-e...

Today, in NM, as well as a lot of other states, teacher observation- conducted several times a semester-is used to evaluate teacher effectiveness. The above referenced article states that "many have characterized classroom observation as a hopelessly flawed approach to assessing teacher effectiveness". The article then goes on to say, "In this article, we report a few results from an ongoing study of teacher classroom observation in the Cincinnati Public Schools. The motivating research question was whether classroom observations—when performed by trained professionals external to the school, using an extensive set of standards—could identify teaching practices likely to raise achievement".

Anyway, it's a good read on the subject and I encourage anyone who is interested in sorting out the good teachers from the bad, read it.
Normal

Albuquerque, NM

#29 Dec 11, 2012
Teacher's need to have their schedules adjustd to 8-5 just like the real world. The extended holidays and summer vacations need to end. They education profession needs to meet the real world. Real hours! Real Pay! Real evaluations! Real discipline for non-performance! Hire the coaching staff from outside the school so there is NEVER any interference on education from the nutty buddies. LIFE IN THE REAL NORMAL WORLD!
factologist

Farmington, NM

#30 Dec 11, 2012
Normal wrote:
Teacher's need to have their schedules adjustd to 8-5 just like the real world.
Elementary teachers here in Farmington are required to be at school by 7:30 AM and must stay till at least 3:30 PM, except on Weds. when they must stay longer.
The extended holidays and summer vacations need to end.
Why and are you ready for the increased cost?
They education profession needs to meet the real world. Real hours! Real Pay!
What ever are you talking about? Teacher's have a yearly contract to supply "real hours" for "real pay" for a "real service", just like any service contractor in the "real world".
Real evaluations!
All Farmington teachers are evaluated, annually- just like most professionals in the "real world".
Real discipline for non-performance!
Teachers in violation of their contracts, during the contract year, are subject to disciplinary action.
Hire the coaching staff from outside the school so there is NEVER any interference on education from the nutty buddies.
I don't know what ax you're trying to grind here.
LIFE IN THE REAL NORMAL WORLD!
Ah yes! Go spend the day with a 3rd grade teacher sometime and get a glimpse of their "REAL WORLD".
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#31 Dec 14, 2012
Replace the teachers with whom ? No child left behind has chased of alot of good ones. NCLB is a system that does not teach, it just tests,and tests, and tests.Great we now know what you dont know. lots of money for the test makers. no money for teaching.
Lizzy wrote:
A grading system should be put in place which lists all teachers and their pass/fail information. A good teacher both will have the ability to teach any child--the smart, the dumb, the lazy, and so on. This is the most important part of their job. It's not to preach to parents about what's not being done at home. The grading grading should be public knowledge and available for viewing at all times. It could be the tool used to pick teachers who can get the job done without the excuses. The record of New Mexico education system speaks for itself. We need reform and we need it now. Ding them, cut their pay, cut their benefits, increase the pay for those who are PERFORMING---Just like it is in the REAL world.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#32 Dec 14, 2012
Normal wrote:
Teacher's need to have their schedules adjustd to 8-5 just like the real world. The extended holidays and summer vacations need to end. They education profession needs to meet the real world. Real hours! Real Pay! Real evaluations! Real discipline for non-performance! Hire the coaching staff from outside the school so there is NEVER any interference on education from the nutty buddies. LIFE IN THE REAL NORMAL WORLD!
Most teachers put in more time into their job than regular 8-5 people.

Teaching has changed. Teachers adhere to exactly which program the district chooses and purchaces. New year, new program. Everybodys got a new great idea to sell and make a ton-o-bucks.

Too many people geting rich off education reform.
clouds

Phoenix, AZ

#33 Dec 14, 2012
"MOST" teachers do NOT work longer hours than 8-5 employees. It's something they say so often they may believe it. Very few actually do.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#34 Dec 17, 2012
Were the teachers in Newtown Conn., who lost their lives trying to save their students overpaid?
WTF

Albuquerque, NM

#35 Dec 17, 2012
bleeding heart liberal wrote:
Were the teachers in Newtown Conn., who lost their lives trying to save their students overpaid?
WTF???????

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#36 Dec 19, 2012
WTF wrote:
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WTF???????
I get so tired of teacher bashing. Making all inclusive statements
portraying them as lazy and overpaid, by people that have likely never spent a day in a classroom. I worked with bums just filling the necessary years to retire. My children and grandchildren had some of the very same type teachers. I have also had the good fortune to observe and know dedicated caring educators going the extra mile for their students. Wonderful people that would have
represented the profession as proudly and courageously as the heroes in Newtown Conn. did. Are classroom teachers underpaid? As a whole, yes, I think they are. You notice I said classroom, not administration or coaches.

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