Who still takes global warming seriously?

Despite the recent discovery of the e-mails that resulted in "Climate Gate" and the fact this has been one of the coldest and harshest winters in many years, Gov. Full Story

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31075 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH
That fallacy in logic is called a strawman's fallacy, meaning you are framing something that isn't true to begin with.

Why not read some science, instead of making up fantasy, ok?
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31076 Jan 21, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Sea-level rise as Reference (IPCC emissions scenario 92a) Best Guess?
About 43 cm from present to y2100. Reference Range is 10-84 cm.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/slr/fig1.gi...
HAHAHA...More AGW CULT PROVEN LIES.

You AGW CULT LIARS can't POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD

Your AGW "Quack science" simply DOES NOT EXIST and is a PROVEN FRAUD.

All the CRAP about "sea level rise" due to AGW is just another PROVEN LIE that your CULT Deficates over and over again.

The AGW CULT is populated by HUMAN GARBAGE.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31077 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it's been 5 minutes you are instantly getting 9 votes for you evenly split.

You are manipulating this somehow -- my guess is multiple aliases.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31078 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Looney. That is not what is happening.
: There is a classic misunderstanding based on the unfortunate name "greenhouse" in "greenhouse gas warming". Greenhouse gases absorb in the infrared and then re-radiate this heat in all directions. This is a fundamentally different phenomenon than the action of a glass greenhouse which actually traps rising air convecting upwards. Greenhouse gas warming does nothing to prevent the movement of air masses.
Greenhouse gas warming works because radiant heat rising from the Earth escapes into space. Greenhouse gases trap a portion of this radiant heat and then re-radiate it in all directions - some of those directions are back down towards the Earth. This means that a portion of the heat that was radiating into space is then re-radiated back down towards the Earth, raising the Earth's temperature. As the amount of greenhouse gases increases, the area where this re-radiation happens grows and the total amount of radiant heat trapped by the atmosphere increases, raising the temperature of the Earth. This has been empirically observed.
I can't count how many engineers have posted here with the misconception global warming gases cannot have a warming effect -- because they are using convection equations, instead of radiative forcing equations to understand the basic principles.
Here is Wikipedia saying the same:
<<The "greenhouse effect" is named by analogy to greenhouses but this is a misnomer. The greenhouse effect and a real greenhouse are similar in that they both limit the rate of thermal energy flowing out of the system, but the mechanisms by which heat is retained are different.
A greenhouse works primarily by preventing absorbed heat from leaving the structure through convection, i.e. sensible heat transport. The greenhouse effect heats the earth because greenhouse gases absorb outgoing radiative energy and re-emit some of it back towards earth.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effec...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcin...
What a STUPID LYING CULT IDIOT....ALWAYS RUNNING FOR THE HILLS, like a SNIVELLING COWARD.

Why don't YOU POST some REAL SCIENCE like:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?

You have been asked to produce these many times, but you can't do it.

TELL US WHY?

Come on, it's a VERY SIMPLE QUESTION....TELL US WHY?
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I PREDICT (as I have ALREADY done in the link below):

"AGW CULT rules of behaviour will PROHIBIT HIM FROM ANSWERING my SIMPLE QUESTION.

Is everybody that is Normal starting to see the PATTERN and how completely PREDICTABLE the AGW CULT is?

Normal People should take note of my PREDICTION above and you will WITNESS the AGW CULT in action...AGAIN.

AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT."
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31079 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it's been 5 minutes you are instantly getting 9 votes for you evenly split.
You are manipulating this somehow -- my guess is multiple aliases.
What a HOOT!

The ratings mean there are some NORMAL PEOPLE reading Topix at this time.

Thank you !!!

And, Bring ON THE ICONS and to show the AGW CULT how STUPID THEY ARE.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31080 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
What a STUPID LYING CULT IDIOT....ALWAYS RUNNING FOR THE HILLS, like a SNIVELLING COWARD.
Why don't YOU POST some REAL SCIENCE like:
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?
-warming/TGGBRGDHPGAKEDBMT/p14 91#c31033
I posted real science sources.

YOU appear to be posting anti-science right wing crap.

Here are a few good sources.

the American Instiute of Physic's website.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm

NewScientist puts out a good series for the Perplexed on Climate Change.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462-c...

I think you are MORE than perplexed though. I think it is more ideological with you.

Looking forward to you and your other fake 8 aliases voting me down in the next 3 minutes.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31081 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
I posted real science sources.
YOU appear to be posting anti-science right wing crap.
Here are a few good sources.
the American Instiute of Physic's website.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm
NewScientist puts out a good series for the Perplexed on Climate Change.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462-c...
I think you are MORE than perplexed though. I think it is more ideological with you.
Looking forward to you and your other fake 8 aliases voting me down in the next 3 minutes.
LIAR! and you JUST PROVED that MY PREDICTION was TRUE....AGAIN.

YOU CAN'T POST any REAL SCIENCE like:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?

Why?.... BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST and ALL YOUR LIES to try and AVOID THE TRUTH is APPARENT TO EVERYBODY.

The FACTS are that your WHOLE AGW CULT and YOU are Pathological Liars and HUMAN GARBAGE.
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Here are some applicable links that describe the AGW CULT and their MEMBERS:

The Mind of a Pathological Liar (Mental Health Guru)


Are AGW'ers Cult Members?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

The AGW CULT is a Death Cult full of Psychopaths.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31082 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>

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Here are some applicable links that describe the AGW CULT and their MEMBERS:
The Mind of a Pathological Liar (Mental Health Guru)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UxtJlc8AZe4XX
Are AGW'ers Cult Members?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
The AGW CULT is a Death Cult full of Psychopaths.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
Ahh. You are obviously the right wing nut case GORD, by the writing style.

One of you 8 aliases????
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31083 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh. You are obviously the right wing nut case GORD, by the writing style.
One of you 8 aliases????
Ahhh, and you are obviously a AGW CULT MEMBER based on your PATHOLOGICAL LYING and COMPLETE INABILITY TO POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?

Why don't you just admit that you are a Pathetic Cult Member and get some Professional help?

Come on, take a few Baby Steps towards a MENTAL RECOVERY and admit that you are a LIAR and Pathetic Cult Member.
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The Cult Test Questions 1 to 10

1. The Guru is always right.
"The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach."

2. You are always wrong.
"Cult members are also told that they are in no way qualified to judge the Guru or his church. Should you disagree with the leader or his cult about anything, see Cult Rule Number One. Having negative emotions about the cult or its leader is a "defect" that needs to be fixed."

3. No Exit.
"There is simply no proper or honorable way to leave the cult. Period. To leave is to fail, to die, to be defeated by evil. To leave is to invite divine retribution."

4. No Graduates.
"No one ever learns as much as the Guru knows; no one ever rises to the level of the Guru's wisdom, so no one ever finishes his or her training, and nobody ever graduates."

5. Cult-speak.
"The cult has its own language. The cult invents new terminology or euphemisms for many things. The cult may also redefine many common words to mean something quite different. Cult-speak is also called "bombastic redefinition of the familiar", or "loading the language"."

6. Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
"The cult has standard answers for almost everything, and members are expected to parrot those answers. Willfulness or independence or skeptical thinking is seen as bad. Members accept the leader's reality as their own."

7. Irrationality.
"The beliefs of the cult are irrational, illogical, or superstitious, and fly in the face of evidence to the contrary."

8. Suspension of disbelief.
"The cult member is supposed to take on a childish na´vetÚ, and simply believe whatever he is told, no matter how unlikely, unrealistic, irrational, illogical, or outrageous it may be. And he does."

9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions, groups, or organizations.
"This is commonplace, and hardly needs any explanation."

10. Personal attacks on critics.
"Anyone who criticizes the Guru, the cult or its dogma is attacked on a personal level."
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It explains a lot of the AGW Cult behaviour witnessed on Topix and why the AGW Cult is so PREDICTABLE.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31084 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on, take a few Baby Steps towards a MENTAL RECOVERY and admit that you are a LIAR and Pathetic Cult Member.
----------
The Cult Test Questions 1 to 10
1. The Guru is always right.
"The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach."
2. You are always wrong.
"Cult members are also told that they are in no way qualified to judge the Guru or his church. Should you disagree with the leader or his cult about anything, see Cult Rule Number One. Having negative emotions about the cult or its leader is a "defect" that needs to be fixed."
3. No Exit. ect
Tsk Tsk. Are you so clueless, pal, you don't notice your extremist RANTS and SCREAMS of certainty mean you are the one who passes your own CULT test.

I see you have MORE than 9 aliases.

So obvious!!! They seem to only follow YOU wherever you go. Nowhere else. LOL.
factologist

Farmington, NM

#31085 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" ....
Don't need no stinking law. Greenhouses work just fine without one.
But notice, the sun heats up the plants, the glass just keeps some heat from escaping. It radiates this energy back to the plants/soil thereby slowing down the heat loss.

Wiki
"A greenhouse is a structural building with different types of covering materials, such as a glass or plastic roof and frequently glass or plastic walls; it heats up because incoming visible solar radiation (for which the glass is transparent) from the sun is absorbed by plants, soil, and other things inside the building. Air warmed by the heat from hot interior surfaces is retained in the building by the roof and wall. In addition, the warmed structures and plants inside the greenhouse re-radiate some of their thermal energy in the infrared spectrum, to which glass is partly opaque, so some of this energy is also trapped inside the glasshouse."

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31086 Jan 21, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text> Don't need no stinking law. Greenhouses work just fine without one.
But notice, the sun heats up the plants, the glass just keeps some heat from escaping. It radiates this energy back to the plants/soil thereby slowing down the heat loss.
Wiki
Gee those 9-12 voters DOWN only appear when you're debating ObamaSux.
Amazing he has THAT many aliases.

Guess you just have to create that many Yahoo accounts is the trick.
Most people would consider that dishonest to use them to vote multiple times.

Why it would take someone who PASSES his CULT test with flying colors, wouldn't you say?
LOL

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31087 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
LIAR! and you JUST PROVED that MY PREDICTION was TRUE....AGAIN.
YOU CAN'T POST any REAL SCIENCE like:
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?
Why?.... BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST and ALL YOUR LIES to try and AVOID THE TRUTH is APPARENT TO EVERYBODY.
The FACTS are that your WHOLE AGW CULT and YOU are Pathological Liars and HUMAN GARBAGE.
----------
Here are some applicable links that describe the AGW CULT and their MEMBERS:
The Mind of a Pathological Liar (Mental Health Guru)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UxtJlc8AZe4XX
Are AGW'ers Cult Members?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
The AGW CULT is a Death Cult full of Psychopaths.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
SUXObama/Gord

Until you can read & refute Wallop10's references, you simply have no leg to stand on. Here ya go:

Fourier, J.-B. J. 1824. "Memoire sur les Temperatures du Globe Terrestre et des Espaces Planetaires." Annales de Chemie et de Physique 2d Ser. 27, 136-167.

Tyndall, J. 1859. "Note on the Transmission of Radiant Heat through Gaseous Bodies." Proceed. Roy. Soc. London 10, 37-39.

Arrhenius, S.A. 1896. "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground." Phil. Mag. 41, 237-275.

Manabe, S. and R.F. Strickler, 1964. "Thermal Equilibrium of the Atmosphere with a Convective Adjustment." J. Atmos. Sci. 21, 361-385.

Suess, H.E. 1955. "Radiocarbon Concentration in Modern Wood." Sci. 122, 415-417.

Revelle, R. and H.E. Suess 1957. "Carbon Dioxide Exchange between Atmosphere and Ocean and the Question of an Increase of Atmospheric CO2 During the Past Decades." Tellus 9, 18-27.

Hanel, R. A., and B. J. Conrath 1970. "Thermal Emission Spectra of Earth and Atmosphere from Nimbus-4 Michelson Interferometer Experiment." Nature 228, 143-&.

Hoffert, Martin I., Covey, Curt 1992. "Deriving Global Climate Sensitivity from Palaeoclimate Reconstructions." Nature 360, 573-576.

Harries, J.E., H.E. Brindley, P.J. Sagoo, and R.J. Bantges 2001. "Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997." Letter, Nature, 410, 355-357.

Griggs, J.A. and J.E. Harries 2004. "Comparison of spectrally resolved outgoing longwave data between 1970 and present." EUMETSAT Conference and Workshop Proceedings 2004.

Philipona, R., B. Du"rr, C. Marty, A. Ohmura, and M. Wild 2004. "Radiative Forcing--Measured at Earth's Surface--Corroborate the Increasing Greenhouse Effect." Geophys. Res. Lett. 31, L03202

Hegerl Gabriele C., Crowley Thomas J., Hyde William T., Frame David J. 2006. "Climate Sensitivity Constrained by Temperature Reconstructions over the Past Seven Centuries." Nature 440, 1029-1032 (letter).

W.F.J. Evans, W.F.J., and E. Puckrin 2006. "Measurements of the Radiative Surface Forcing of Climate." 18th Conference on Climate Variability and Change, P1.7

Rowa*n T. Sutton, Buwen Dong, and Jonathan M. Gregory (2006) Land/sea warming ratio in response to climate change: IPCC AR4 model results and comparison with observations, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 34, L02701, pp. 1-5
http://atmosdyn.yonsei.ac.kr/nrl/seminar/Sutt ...

Royer, D.L. 2006. "CO2-forced climate thresholds during the Phanerozoic" Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta 70, 5665-5675.

Came R.E., J.M. Eiler, J. Veizer, K. Azmy, U. Brand, and C.R. Weidman 2007. "Coupling of surface temperatures and atmospheric CO2 concentrations during the Palaeozoic era." Nature 449, 198-201.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31088 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee those 9-12 voters DOWN only appear when you're debating ObamaSux.
Amazing he has THAT many aliases.
Guess you just have to create that many Yahoo accounts is the trick.
Most people would consider that dishonest to use them to vote multiple times.
Why it would take someone who PASSES his CULT test with flying colors, wouldn't you say?
LOL
Wallop,

It seems the only things in SUXObama's brain that work are

1. The multiple aliases he uses to up-vote himself & no-vote others. It's probably a macro that does it easily & quickly with just a couple of keystrokes.

2. The finger that controls his caps lock key.

3. The part of his brain that remembers insults to others.

4. The part of his brain that can read & regurgitate equine excrement from lying right wing websites.

Trouble is, this means his brain must have at least 4 working neurons, which seems awfully unlikely...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31089 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?
More science (from Wallop10) full of PROOF that the greenhouse effect is real, & is warming the earth. This is stuff you probably either won't or can't read. If you did read & understand it, you'd see how wrong you are. You'll never admit that, of course.

You have NO credibility as a denier if you can't refute this work:

Part II.

Griggs, J. A., and J. E. Harries 2007. "Comparison of spectrally resolved outgoing longwave radiation over the tropical Pacific between 1970 and 2003 using IRIS, IMG, and AIRS." Journal of Climate 20, 3982-4001.

Horton, D.E. et al. 2007. "Orbital and CO2 forcing of late Paleozoic continental ice sheets" Geophys. Res. Lett. L19708.

Fletcher, B.J. et al. 2008. "Atmospheric carbon dioxide linked with Mesozoic and early Cenozoic climate change" Nature Geoscience 1, 43-48.

Fu, Qiang and Celeste M. Johanson 2005. "Satellite-Derived Vertical Dependence of Tropical Tropospheric Temperature Trends." Geophys. Res. Lett. 32, L10703

Vinnikov, K.Y., N.C. Grody, A. Robock, R.J. Stouffer, P.D. Jones, and M.D. Goldberg 2006. "Temperature trends at the surface and in the troposphere." J. Geophys. Res. 111, D03106.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2005JD0 ...

Knutti, R. and G. Hegerl 2008. "The equilibrium sensitivity of the earth's temperature to radiation changes." Nature Geoscience 1, 735-743.

W. M. Kurschner et al. 2008. "The impact of Miocene atmospheric carbon dioxide fluctuations on climate and the evolution of the terrestrial ecosystem"Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 105, 499-453.

Lean, J.L. and D.H. Rind 2008. "How natural and anthropogenic influences alter global and regional surface temperatures: 1889 to 2006." Geophys. Res. Lett. 35, L18701.

Sherwood, S.C., C.L. Meyer, R.J. Allen, and H.A. Titchner, 2008. "Robust Tropospheric Warming Revealed by Iteratively Homogenized Radiosonde Data." J. Clim. 21, 5336-5350.
http://camels.metoffice.gov.uk/quarc/Sherwood ...

Zachos, J.C. 2008. "An early Cenozoic perspective on greenhouse warming and carbon-cycle dynamics" Nature 451, 279-283.

Allen, R.J. and S.C. Sherwood 2009. "Warming maximum in the tropical upper troposphere deduced from thermal winds." Nature Geosci. 1, 399 - 403.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n6/abs/ ... http://cce.890m.com/models/images/allen-sherw ...

Clement, A.C., Burgman R., and J.R. Norris 2009. "Observational and Model Evidence for Positive Low-Level Cloud Feedback." Science 325, 460-464.

Titchner, H.A., P.W. Thorne, M.P. McCarthy, S.F.B. Tett, L. Haimberger, and D.E. Parker 2009. "Critically Reassessing Tropospheric Temperature Trends from Radiosondes Using Realistic Validation Experiments." J. Clim. 22, 465-485.

Oh yeah - your "scientific" paper is STILL wrong. Radiative forcing does NOT work like a heat pump & does NOT violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

These things are true no matter how many times you yell that they're not.

Your grandchildren, should the world be so unfortunate, will learn the hard way how wrong you are.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31090 Jan 21, 2013
Joe Bob Attacks wrote:
Wow, this an old thread. Not sure of the recent conversations, but 2012 was warmest year on record. 2013 will be another scorcher. The cherry blossom trees are blooming in January. What should that tell to the idiots still in denial?
Secondly, I'm a republican who doesn't understand why my party continues to bury its head in the sand on this issue.
Also, there will occasionally be heavy winter storms even with global warming. That doesn't mean global warming doesn't exist. I'm not sure if the entire icecap has to melt before people finally get it.
Please leave the science to scientists....who actually study science. Since when is a politician or an average working Joe (myself included) qualified to make these determinations?
Yet everyone's opinion seems to be valid, just like every kid gets an award at soccer. That's B.S.
Joe Bob,

You're making way, way, way, way, WAY too much sense for the ideological deniers here. SUX is especially cuckoo.

It's too bad you can't thru to your Republican colleagues. The party has been taken over by a right wing cabal, almost Leninist/fascist in their intolerance for dissent.(Had any primary challenges from the right lately?)

Eventually people will realize that AGW/CC is real. Hopefully it won't take the complete collapse of agriculture with mass famine, or a dramatic sea level rise, to convince enough people to oppose the wealth & power of the oil industry (& all the others with financial stakes in AGW/CC denial).
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31091 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh. You are obviously the right wing nut case GORD, by the writing style.
One of you 8 aliases????
He ran to the hills.:-]

You did an awesome thing when you listed some of the relevant literature. I listed references in the past but yours is timely and in focus.

As another poster said, GORD now has to respond to you. In the past people did not demand this. I was left alone with him each time.

You are not alone now. I can think at least four posters who should support you until GORD admits he has been wrong.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31092 Jan 21, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>He ran to the hills.:-]
You did an awesome thing when you listed some of the relevant literature. I listed references in the past but yours is timely and in focus.
As another poster said, GORD now has to respond to you. In the past people did not demand this. I was left alone with him each time.
You are not alone now. I can think at least four posters who should support you until GORD admits he has been wrong.
HA!

Gord won't admit he's wrong until Hell freezes over. He thinks that won't be long, according to his physics, but he still won't admit it even if it did happen.

The rest of us know, according to the physics AND the religion, that Hell won't ever freeze over.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31093 Jan 21, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
One does have to be a Scientist to understand why AGW is a FRAUD.
The 2nd Law of Themodynamics is taught in Grade School.
ôSecond Law of Thermodynamics: It is NOT POSSIBLE for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow
spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.ö
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/th...
Even a four year old Child knows that an Ice Cube at -20 deg C will NOT HEAT them, it will COOL them.
The AGW FRAUD "science" says EXACTLY the OPPOSITE.
The AGW "scientists" say that a COLD Atmosphere (average temp of -20 deg C) will HEAT-UP a much Warmer Earth Surface that has an average temp of +15 deg C.
That's the fundamental basis of the AGW FRAUD, pure and simple.
A couple of scientists writing condescending emails doesn't make global warming fiction. The earth is clearly warming. Scientist just didn't pull this out of thin air. Extensive research has gone into this. They're not just repeating what they hear from political pundits on tv. Papers have been written, years of research, ice core samples going back hundreds of thousand years.

I did a science experiment on this as a middle schooler in the 1980s of the effects CO on a closed sphere. If a middle schooler can figure that out, why cant you? People have known about for this for decades. That's a heck of a long time to keep a hoax going.

Also, the big question is why? Why would thousands of scientists perpetrate a hoax of this nature? Especially a hoax that is so gloomy? It makes no sense. What do they have to gain collectively?

I'll tell you who has to gain, the polluters, oil and gas companies, and the people they contribute to. They have everything to gain to make people look the other way. Now, I'm still a republican for many reasons, but the GOP really needs to wake up to this issue. Stop letting the D's control common sense with regard to this issue.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31094 Jan 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tsk Tsk. Are you so clueless, pal, you don't notice your extremist RANTS and SCREAMS of certainty mean you are the one who passes your own CULT test.
I see you have MORE than 9 aliases.
So obvious!!! They seem to only follow YOU wherever you go. Nowhere else. LOL.
Hey Wallop10, HAVE YOU POSTED:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?
- EVEN "ONE" LAW OF SCIENCE that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect" and the AGW FRAUD?

Come on, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

Hey Wallop10, WHY CAN'T YOU POST these MEASUREMENTS?

Come on, ANSWER THE QUESTION.
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The TRUTH is that Wallop10, despite posting REAMS OF AGW QUACK REFERENCES can ONLY BABBLE and LIE.

That's all he ever can do because AGW is a pure fantasy with no basis in Science, Fact or Measurement.

There will be no "Answers" comming from the Cult Idiot because he avoids the TRUTH like the Plague and can only Deficate his CULT LIES.

Like All the AGW Cult, Wallop10 shares these common Traits:

1. A room temperature IQ
2. Has a "Green Brain"....a symptom of a severe infection.
3. Always loses battles of wits because they are unarmed.
4. What they lack in intelligence, they more than make up for in stupidity.
5. Have nothing to say, but delight in saying it.
6. Have a speech impediment ... their foot.
7. Would still be a virgin except for what nature did to their mind.
8. They are not complete idiots -- some parts are missing.
9. When confronted with the Truth they use their only skill....LYING.
10. When they are confronted with their Lying...they will continue to LIE

Wallop10 has now reached Step #10 and will continue his Pathological Lying FOREVER.

How Pathetic but not surprising for Human Garbage.

JUST WATCH AND LEARN.

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