Teachers recommend Bloomfield school district consider year-round s...

There are 16 comments on the Sep 14, 2010, Farmington Daily Times story titled Teachers recommend Bloomfield school district consider year-round s.... In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

Jenilyn Freestone's son Jason struggles every year at the start of school. A fourth-grader at Blanco Elementary School, Jason is a special education student with memory problems.

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Since: Nov 08

Albuquerque, NM

#102 Sep 18, 2010
hilllbilly wrote:
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I do blame the bottom 20 percent of parents for the notion of year round school.......
I will also conciede, that ESL kids need a constant immersion in English....
Your food for thought has feed my conundrum.... lol
Summer, in a functional family means; adventure, daily chores, road trips, applied science and visits with extended family.
I just hate to see the bottom 20%, dictating the policy for the whole.
With the burden of NCLB, you have the more valid point. I just hate to see the next generation being raised without chores and solid kinship ties.
Too bad we can not end the war on drugs and poverty, and then use that surplus cash to educate our kids.
enjoy,
I understand what you are saying hillbilly...but that's the fallacy of your position. It's NOT the bottom 20% driving this data-driven decision.

More than 60% of our students...some schools more than that...regress in reading, writing, and math over the summer. Sometimes it's only one subject, but usually its at least two of these three or all three.

I don't want family fun time and adventures to be taken away either, but I DO want all of my students to have the best chance at a higher quality of life. If that means I shuffle around when I get my breaks as a teacher and they get theirs, I'd vote in favor of trying this.

Honestly, I think this proposal will go the way of many other ideas in our area because of the MAJOR inconvenience on families when not all schools adopt the measure. It still doesn't mean that I won't advocate for it.

It is what's best for ALL of our kids...

Since: Nov 08

Albuquerque, NM

#103 Sep 18, 2010
Oh..and the "burden"of NCLB...

I teach my kids using research driven data...not by what the textbook companies and bureaucrats try to force down my throat.

I'll teach them at my very best, despite what NCLB is doing to our schools. I'll let the bureaucrats figure out what t do when 99% of our schools don't meet AYP in two years.

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#104 Sep 18, 2010
Grumpy Old Guy wrote:
Oh..and the "burden"of NCLB...
I teach my kids using research driven data...not by what the textbook companies and bureaucrats try to force down my throat.
I'll teach them at my very best, despite what NCLB is doing to our schools. I'll let the bureaucrats figure out what t do when 99% of our schools don't meet AYP in two years.
I bow in your general direction. Thanks for not teaching to the test.
Having a potential AP kid and a SPED kid, I am pained to watch how the public schools are just focused on getting the majority of students to score well on 'the test'.(The new system reminds me of feed lots in western KS.)
What are your thoughts on vouchers or, doing as most 1st world countries do, tracking kids?
With regards,

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#105 Sep 18, 2010
Grumpy Old Guy wrote:
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I understand what you are saying hillbilly...but that's the fallacy of your position. It's NOT the bottom 20% driving this data-driven decision.
More than 60% of our students...some schools more than that...regress in reading, writing, and math over the summer. Sometimes it's only one subject, but usually its at least two of these three or all three.
I don't want family fun time and adventures to be taken away either, but I DO want all of my students to have the best chance at a higher quality of life. If that means I shuffle around when I get my breaks as a teacher and they get theirs, I'd vote in favor of trying this.
Honestly, I think this proposal will go the way of many other ideas in our area because of the MAJOR inconvenience on families when not all schools adopt the measure. It still doesn't mean that I won't advocate for it.
It is what's best for ALL of our kids...
Wow,,,,, 60% not 20%. Since I believe your numbers, I am rather pained that there are that many kids, that are allowed to idle their brains over summer vacation.
Too bad that parents don't realize that life is a competition and make an effort to keep thier kids 'tuned up' during summer.
Pained by my peers, but thankful for the extra time during parent/teacher conferences.
Thanks for keeping up the good fight,

Since: Nov 08

Albuquerque, NM

#106 Sep 18, 2010
I'm not so sure it's idle brains. I think kids today just have too many options that aren't reading related. Let's be honest as well, as adults, we don't exactly engage in heavy mathematics during our leisure time and vacations. Like it or not, they prefer TV, the Internet, and so on.

I listen to a podcast called Writing Excuses by a few of my favorite authors. They've recently talked of their worry that books are being relegated to more and more of a niche market. Fewer and fewer people are reading. I'm assuming they are the experts in this field....but that's kind of scary.

Since: Nov 08

Albuquerque, NM

#107 Sep 18, 2010
hilllbilly wrote:
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Wow,,,,, 60% not 20%. Since I believe your numbers, I am rather pained that there are that many kids, that are allowed to idle their brains over summer vacation.
Too bad that parents don't realize that life is a competition and make an effort to keep thier kids 'tuned up' during summer.
Pained by my peers, but thankful for the extra time during parent/teacher conferences.
Thanks for keeping up the good fight,
Don't get me wrong, these regressions aren't HUGE, it's just that seemingly, all of the kids regress. The problem lies in the fact that as they regress a bit from year to year we lose potential time that can push them forward so that they can learn new things.

It's just human nature to regress when we don't do something. As someone said earlier in the thread...use it or lose it.

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#108 Sep 18, 2010
Grumpy Old Guy wrote:
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Don't get me wrong, these regressions aren't HUGE, it's just that seemingly, all of the kids regress. The problem lies in the fact that as they regress a bit from year to year we lose potential time that can push them forward so that they can learn new things.
It's just human nature to regress when we don't do something. As someone said earlier in the thread...use it or lose it.
I agree with the idea of, use it or lose it. I am having trouble believing that summer break is the cause of regression. I will admit that my view is rather my myopic, becuase I spend time with my kids doing stuff.
Thinking as a manager, and not as a parent, your point is the solid. As a parent, I just wish more parents had a proactive role in their kids lives.
Using ballistics, as a great may to teach applied physics, lol
Post script - Thanks for your comments and devotion to the craft of education.

Since: Nov 08

Albuquerque, NM

#109 Sep 19, 2010
hilllbilly wrote:
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Thinking as a manager, and not as a parent, your point is the solid. As a parent, I just wish more parents had a proactive role in their kids lives.
Using ballistics, as a great may to teach applied physics, lol
On this we totally agree. Our schools are a reflection of our nation and our state. Both need a lot of work still...the fight goes on.

Ballistics to teach applied physics is EXACTLY what we need in Science. Too bad we don't have the money to do things like that...or rather, the WILL to put the money where it belongs rather in some stupid pet project.
Orchardmom

Santa Fe, NM

#110 Sep 20, 2010
I'm old fashioned, but one thing I disagree with in today's education is the use of electronics. Kids are given calculators in grade school and start on computers when they enter school. That's well and good, but we have a whole generation that can't do a thing without their electronics. Kids can't count change back, they can't multiply and divide, many can't read a book - they just use the internet. Everything is dependent on electricity. Kids also are hooked on their cell phones and video games. I know many kids and old people that are so addicted to their cell phones they would go into withdrawal if they didn't have them. What scares me is we don't need terrorist attacks, all someone would have to do it cause a blackout and so many Americans would lose their minds because they couldn't do a thing, they would destroy themselves. Think about it. A few years ago they had a blackout that included I think Santa Fe, Espanola, and over in that direction. Stores had to close, no one could get gas because the pumps wouldn't work. The whole area shut down. And that was just for a few hours. Can you just image the chaos if the electricity and cell phone use and computers were out for a couple of days - what would you do?

I'm a firm believe in teaching the kids basics before they go to computers, calculators and cell phones. The texting is really screwing up the kids' spelling. Make them memorize the multiplication tables like they used to have to do - they will use that all their lives. Teach them to read with "books" and not computers. Let the teachers teach instead of doing paperwork all the time. Reward good teachers. We have some very good dedicated teachers and if kids learn from a dedicated teacher and have the support of their parents, they will retain what they learn.

Since: Nov 08

Albuquerque, NM

#111 Sep 20, 2010
I agree with just about everything you have said. I also feel that we are introducing electronics a bit too early in the learning process. Even so, our students live in a different world than we did even as little as 10 years ago. Students who I am teaching now will live in an even more different world than the one we are in NOW.

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#112 Sep 24, 2010
Orchardmom wrote:
I'm old fashioned, but one thing I disagree with in today's education is the use of electronics. Kids are given calculators in grade school and start on computers when they enter school. That's well and good, but we have a whole generation that can't do a thing without their electronics. Kids can't count change back, they can't multiply and divide, many can't read a book - they just use the internet. Everything is dependent on electricity. Kids also are hooked on their cell phones and video games. I know many kids and old people that are so addicted to their cell phones they would go into withdrawal if they didn't have them. What scares me is we don't need terrorist attacks, all someone would have to do it cause a blackout and so many Americans would lose their minds because they couldn't do a thing, they would destroy themselves. Think about it. A few years ago they had a blackout that included I think Santa Fe, Espanola, and over in that direction. Stores had to close, no one could get gas because the pumps wouldn't work. The whole area shut down. And that was just for a few hours. Can you just image the chaos if the electricity and cell phone use and computers were out for a couple of days - what would you do?
I'm a firm believe in teaching the kids basics before they go to computers, calculators and cell phones. The texting is really screwing up the kids' spelling. Make them memorize the multiplication tables like they used to have to do - they will use that all their lives. Teach them to read with "books" and not computers. Let the teachers teach instead of doing paperwork all the time. Reward good teachers. We have some very good dedicated teachers and if kids learn from a dedicated teacher and have the support of their parents, they will retain what they learn.
My 8 and 13 year old kids call it,'head math', when I force them to put down their calculators.
Teaching my heathens the times table to 15,
hmm

Farmington, NM

#113 Sep 29, 2010
my 4 year old can work her way around a computer, and she started that all by herself. its helping us teach her how to spell (she can spell dora, colors, cat, her name) correctly. She can find her way around youtube (yes to all of you anal parents, it does have parental controls on) and find videos of her fav songs, new learning classes (don't ask I can't explain) and all of her fav shows when we are watching TV.. She can find her way into my ring tones and music on my cell phone, and knows how to work a camera, digital and on a cell.
whomovedmybowels

Rio Rancho, NM

#114 Sep 29, 2010
hmm wrote:
my 4 year old can work her way around a computer, and she started that all by herself. its helping us teach her how to spell (she can spell dora, colors, cat, her name) correctly. She can find her way around youtube (yes to all of you anal parents, it does have parental controls on) and find videos of her fav songs, new learning classes (don't ask I can't explain) and all of her fav shows when we are watching TV.. She can find her way into my ring tones and music on my cell phone, and knows how to work a camera, digital and on a cell.
hmmmm... "bad parent"... that is for making the others look like crap.

Keep up the good work, I would have loved to have your child in my classroom & you as a parent helping me.

Good luck.
hmm

Farmington, NM

#115 Sep 29, 2010
whomovedmybowels wrote:
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hmmmm... "bad parent"... that is for making the others look like crap.
Keep up the good work, I would have loved to have your child in my classroom & you as a parent helping me.
Good luck.
haha! I don't see how that can make others look like a "bad parent".. She has done it all her own. We just taught her how to NOT open 10000 different programs or the same one.. haha! Shes in pre school, and shes very advanced for her age (the 4 going on 14 is something said quite often in my household), shes extreamly helpful to her teachers, and they say shes amazing to have in class, and they are happy to get to teach her what they know. But she gets really bored. Shes in there for speech therapy since she cannot talk all to well for her age. It could have been a fun time whomovedmybowels

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#116 Sep 30, 2010
hmm wrote:
my 4 year old can work her way around a computer, and she started that all by herself. its helping us teach her how to spell (she can spell dora, colors, cat, her name) correctly. She can find her way around youtube (yes to all of you anal parents, it does have parental controls on) and find videos of her fav songs, new learning classes (don't ask I can't explain) and all of her fav shows when we are watching TV.. She can find her way into my ring tones and music on my cell phone, and knows how to work a camera, digital and on a cell.
Being a hillbilly, just make sure she that she can physically fight entropy. Chores and projects are a great way to teach kids the joys of achieving a goal.
Kudos for having a bright child, and do everthing you can to keep her entertained.
enjoy,
Just Wondering

Santa Fe, NM

#117 Sep 30, 2010
It's great you have a bright child. What does she do if the electricity is off or the computer down? Maybe doing things off the computer would help with her speech. It's certainly not good for kids to spend all their time at the computer - that's one thing contributing to the obesity of the young generation and you sure don't want her to end up with carpel tunnel syndrome.

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