CCSD's no-zero policy

CCSD's no-zero policy

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Alice

Montrose, CO

#1 Feb 16, 2013
A student who decides not to do an assignment automatically earns 50%. Anyone else out there think this is nonsense? If the purpose is not to demoralize kids who are making an effort, then find another way to deal with kids who just don't bother trying. Grades are not a gift, and learning is not something that happens without the learner actually being involved in the process. Nothing "progressive" about refusing to acknowledge that a student simply did no work, and since it is by the product we are judged, assuming that student must have at least learned 50% of the material is baseless.
Melonball

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Feb 16, 2013
After reading SHS principal's letter (can be found on kob.com website) it appears that one can do no work and be rewarded handsomely. To get half credit (50) for turning in no work and an 80 for turning in work late proves that "free stuff" is still available for the taking at SHS, even a fool would have hard time not buying into this deal.

What is the name of the guy at the top who allows this?.........Bozo?

Isn't this the same person who wearing out the word accountability?
Alice

Commerce City, CO

#3 Feb 16, 2013
Amazing that the district's position is to expand this policy district-wide. Even after seeing the news report and hearing Skandera's comment. Teachers at SHS did NOT unanimously approve the no-zero policy. In fact, the majority of teachers disagreed with it. Grading systems are serious business with many repercussions, not the least of which is the integrity of transcripts that will be considered for college admission. So unfair to all the students at SHS who do all their assignments and work hard to earn their grades.
GPA

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Feb 16, 2013
Got to keep those Navajos qualified to get free scolarships to liberal back east schools even if they are completly unqualified. Navajo is as Navajo does.
Alice

Commerce City, CO

#5 Feb 17, 2013
Very shortsighted to make this issue about race. The majority of the top level administration in CCSD has been, and continues to be, Bilagaana. There are many Navajo students who work hard and go on to be quite successful in college. Those students have solid parental oversight and support with adequate resources to keep them out of poverty.
This "grading" issue is a community discussion worth having, but reducing it to hateful rhetoric that continues to perpetuate divisiveness adds nothing to that discussion. I am following several forum threads on the issue, including KOB, Facebook, and Daily Times, as well as this forum. It would behoove the media outlets to make the most of this catalyst to examine thoughtfully the state of learning (or the lack thereof) in NM schools.

Since: Jul 11

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#6 Feb 17, 2013
I imagine the board will have the administration clairify this new progressive policy. And then ask them to throw it out.

I'm not sure what that Principal is trying to do with this, but if you don't show up and turn in your work it should be a zero.

Although I would have loved this type of policy as a student. Don't turn in work or projects and ace the easy test and pass with a comfy B average.

A regular Bell Curve would actually be more fair if the idea is to try to get graduation numbers up. The bottom 10% for the most part just don't care enough to show up.

Now grade inflation is a problem also on the other end of the scale. The A grades are too easy to get. But the kirtland parents would throw a fit if they corrected that end of the grade scale.

I'm sorry Past Kirtland Valevictorians, but with giving out five of these a year makes you as special as the Shiprock kid who gets a 50% for not showing up.
GPA

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Feb 17, 2013
Alice wrote:
Very shortsighted to make this issue about race. The majority of the top level administration in CCSD has been, and continues to be, Bilagaana. There are many Navajo students who work hard and go on to be quite successful in college. Those students have solid parental oversight and support with adequate resources to keep them out of poverty.
This "grading" issue is a community discussion worth having, but reducing it to hateful rhetoric that continues to perpetuate divisiveness adds nothing to that discussion. I am following several forum threads on the issue, including KOB, Facebook, and Daily Times, as well as this forum. It would behoove the media outlets to make the most of this catalyst to examine thoughtfully the state of learning (or the lack thereof) in NM schools.
your the stupid racit....."about Bilagaana's", get over it an quit blaming everyone else because you and your kids are stupid.
Alice

Commerce City, CO

#10 Feb 18, 2013
GPA wrote:
<quoted text>your the stupid racit....."about Bilagaana's", get over it an quit blaming everyone else because you and your kids are stupid.
I love that you assumed I am Navajo. And you assumed that if I were, then I must be stupid, along with any children I might have. In fact, I am white. What I'm not is someone who makes assumptions about people I don't know based on stereotypes and biases. I'm sorry you are so ignorant.
xando

United States

#11 Feb 18, 2013
Alice wrote:
A student who decides not to do an assignment automatically earns 50%. Anyone else out there think this is nonsense? If the purpose is not to demoralize kids who are making an effort, then find another way to deal with kids who just don't bother trying. Grades are not a gift, and learning is not something that happens without the learner actually being involved in the process. Nothing "progressive" about refusing to acknowledge that a student simply did no work, and since it is by the product we are judged, assuming that student must have at least learned 50% of the material i baseless.
A zero by any other name is still a zero? 50% is, for all intents and purposes, a zero?

Grading is always somewhat subjective, but without a relatively uniform national standard, grades become meaningless.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#12 Feb 18, 2013
Alice wrote:
<quoted text>
I love that you assumed I am Navajo. And you assumed that if I were, then I must be stupid, along with any children I might have. In fact, I am white. What I'm not is someone who makes assumptions about people I don't know based on stereotypes and biases. I'm sorry you are so ignorant.
The ignorance you are adressing from GPA is everywhere around farmington. The same poster also posted about Navajo's getting scholarships.

They have their notions on how smart an "indian" is or should be. And when one isn't it really threatens their little pretend world.

In all honesty most of the SJC county people complaining about the scholarship money, wouldn't even qualify for one if they were Navajo. They are just Lazy, Sloppy, Selfish Whiners (like whammer jammer)
xando

United States

#13 Feb 18, 2013
Blatant racism and racism in denial permeates San Juan County.
STUPIDTEACHERS

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Feb 18, 2013
Maybe this will help with the STUPID teachers who are too lazy to make the effort to be a TEACHER and not just be a GRADE marker and possibly make them try harder. Stupid and lazy teachers make it hard on students too. I for one, am STILL SUPER EXCITED for the day when the pay is based on the teachers SCORES!!!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#15 Feb 18, 2013
STUPIDTEACHERS wrote:
Maybe this will help with the STUPID teachers who are too lazy to make the effort to be a TEACHER and not just be a GRADE marker and possibly make them try harder. Stupid and lazy teachers make it hard on students too. I for one, am STILL SUPER EXCITED for the day when the pay is based on the teachers SCORES!!!
You are right it probably came from the lazy NEA teachers in shiprock talking the principal into doing it. Then turning around and pointing out what a bad thing it was.

The local NEA went nuts when the district was looking at being a pilot district for the teacher evaluations the state was doing. Likely they have something to hide. Like they can't teach.
GPA

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Feb 18, 2013
Alice wrote:
<quoted text>
I love that you assumed I am Navajo. And you assumed that if I were, then I must be stupid, along with any children I might have. In fact, I am white. What I'm not is someone who makes assumptions about people I don't know based on stereotypes and biases. I'm sorry you are so ignorant.
Again you show how much a stupid racist you are, I never put the people of the Navajo in the picture, just the pure stupid racist ignorance of you.
Alice

Gunnison, CO

#17 Feb 19, 2013
GPA wrote:
<quoted text>Again you show how much a stupid racist you are, I never put the people of the Navajo in the picture, just the pure stupid racist ignorance of you.
LMAO! I can't decide if your asinine comment is designed to elicit my anger or to discourage me from further posting since there is no arguing with an idiot.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#18 Feb 19, 2013
GPA wrote:
<quoted text>Again you show how much a stupid racist you are, I never put the people of the Navajo in the picture, just the pure stupid racist ignorance of you.
I agree with Alice on GPA's last post.

GPA had a lame and weak try at doing the reverse racism arguement. Maybe he went to KHS, and got some of those inflated A grades because his mommy put pressure on the teacher.
get serious then

Edwards, CO

#19 Feb 19, 2013
Alice wrote:
Amazing that the district's position is to expand this policy district-wide. Even after seeing the news report and hearing Skandera's comment. Teachers at SHS did NOT unanimously approve the no-zero policy. In fact, the majority of teachers disagreed with it. Grading systems are serious business with many repercussions, not the least of which is the integrity of transcripts that will be considered for college admission. So unfair to all the students at SHS who do all their assignments and work hard to earn their grades.
Although I believe the problem is that regardless of a zero or a 50%, there doesn't seem to be an accounting as to whether the student learned the standard which was to be taught. It's all about the "assignment" game. Hand out papers and grade on what is turned in. Teacher's believe they are there to foster a work ethic and teach life lessons. How egotistical is that ? Teach and test on the standards and move on; quite playing the paper pushing curriculum on students. That's not really teaching.
STUPID TEACHERS

Albuquerque, NM

#20 Feb 20, 2013
It all revolves around the lazy, stupid, waiting for three-thirty and all the other extra time off, TEACHERS-who don't know how to teach, don't try to teach, get their jobs because they want to be a coach and don't care about teaching, WHO ARE RUINING OUR CHILDREN! Only when WE make them be accountable for THEIR jobs and their pay is reflected in the measure of the outcome of their students WILL ANY OF THIS WORK! It is time.
Observer

Rio Rancho, NM

#21 Feb 20, 2013
STUPID TEACHERS wrote:
It all revolves around the lazy, stupid, waiting for three-thirty and all the other extra time off, TEACHERS-who don't know how to teach, don't try to teach, get their jobs because they want to be a coach and don't care about teaching, WHO ARE RUINING OUR CHILDREN! Only when WE make them be accountable for THEIR jobs and their pay is reflected in the measure of the outcome of their students WILL ANY OF THIS WORK! It is time.
Not all teachers fall into this catagory. Some are dedicated to the students. Those that do fall into this catagory turn to and are protected by the "NEA".
20 Year Teacher

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Feb 20, 2013
STUPID TEACHERS wrote:
It all revolves around the lazy, stupid, waiting for three-thirty and all the other extra time off, TEACHERS-who don't know how to teach, don't try to teach, get their jobs because they want to be a coach and don't care about teaching, WHO ARE RUINING OUR CHILDREN! Only when WE make them be accountable for THEIR jobs and their pay is reflected in the measure of the outcome of their students WILL ANY OF THIS WORK! It is time.
Yeah, connect my salary to the girl who shows up tardy to first hour every morning without something to write with, without something to write on, but has her iPhone and her iPod and her earbuds, and her $150 Miss Me jeans. I work my ass off to create learning opportunities for those who care. EVERY child in this country is guaranteed an OPPORTUNITY for a free and appropriate education. Those who choose to avail themselves of that opportunity shouldn't have ANY say in how I'm paid. We take EVERY student regardless of background, race, sex, sexual orientation, IQ, work ethic, etc. and we provide the OPPORTUNITY to advance themselves. Imagine what their record would look like if a mortgage lender took EVERY loan that walked in the door. Imagine some of the products on the shelf if Sam's Club was forced to take EVERY product that was presented to them. Imagine the car lot if the sales person was forced to work with EVERY trade that came in. Public education is the only business that gives an opportunity to EVERY child regardless of the quality of that child and family. You should be more appreciative of the people who have given their life to public education.

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