Mormons apologize for Catholic shrine desecration by young miss...

Mormon church officials have again apologized to the town of San Luis, Colorado, after church missionaries were accused of desecrating a Catholic shrine.

[Reverend Ike]

Another CULT gone wild. Every thing is always done for GOD. What GOD, whose GOD? People are really sick, that's why there is religion.

[Mother of an Officer]

Are the Mormons going to pay for the repairs?

[larry]

Mother of an Officer wrote:

Are the Mormons going to pay for the repairs?

As an LDS Member I think the three missionaries involved should have to pay what ever the cost of repairs was. I do not think the LDS CHurch should have to pay just as if a Catholic priest vandalized an LDS Church the Catholic CHurch should not have to pay for repairs.

[LDS Member]

Reverend Ike - Sorry to hear about your cult that is out of control but that is not the topic here. The LDS Church is not a cult as it fits no criteria for one.

Mother of an Officer - This is a good question. It should be the 3 idiots who did it, however they were supposed to be representing the Church at the time. Time will tell.

[Stink Eye]

Hang `em for Jesus. Go Vols!

[Mormons Lies]

Mormons should also apologize for spreading lies about Jesus Christ when they teach "Jesus's spirit was "born" in heaven and that Jesus is the spirit brother of satan". Jesus is God incarnate, He was never "born" in heaven and He surely isn't satan's spirit brother. This religion is not only absurd, it is a spirit of antichrist and should be avoided at all cost. http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_doctrines.htm

[Catholic chick]

Both Catholics and Mormons follow at least one teaching in common.

"Love your neighbor as yourself."

Seems a couple of Mormon kids missed that Sunday school lesson. Seems a few people on this message board might want to check that out too. While you're at it, check out Matthew 7:1.

Not trying to take sides here, but you might want to check your own religious teachings before you jump on someone else about theirs.

[Hannah Rebekah]

Mormons Lies wrote:

Mormons should also apologize for spreading lies about Jesus Christ when they teach "Jesus's spirit was "born" in heaven and that Jesus is the spirit brother of satan".

Is Lucifer the Brother of Jesus?
The Bible clearly indicates that God the Father is the father of the spirits of all mankind, and that both Jesus and Lucifer are also among his sons. "Orthodox Christians" do not accept this Biblical doctrine.
In contrast Lucifer and all mankind have a common Heavenly Father. The Bible clearly teaches that all men and women who have ever lived in heaven and on earth are the spirit offspring of our eternal Heavenly Father. Paul taught, "For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device". Acts 17:28,29.
We see in Luke 3:38 that Adam is a son of God. It is only logical that we, who are descended from him, are members of the same family. The author of Hebrews affirms the brotherhood of all men by stating that we are to be "in subjection unto the Father of Spirits". Heb. 12:9, see Num. 16:22. The book of I John gives account of our relationship to the Father: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God". 1 John 3:2. Paul speaks of "one God and Father of all (Eph. 4:6).
We learn from the book of Job that "there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them" (Job 1:6). Job makes it clear that as one of the Sons of God, Satan was recognized by the Lord in their presence (Job 1:7- 12,2:1-6). He fell from his heavenly abode,(Luke 10:18, Rev. 12:7-9, Isa. 14:12-14), but that does not negate that he was once a literal "spirit" offspring or child of God. These scriptures clearly show that all of us are offspring of God, our Heavenly Father--including those children who rebelled and followed Satan.
The critic will point to Colossians 1:16 as a prooftext that Jesus is the creator of all things in Heaven and earth and therefore cannot be Lucifer's brother. Such an erroneous interpretation is in sharp contradiction to the passages cited above and others on the subject. The scriptures are clear as to Jesus' creative role and his obedience to his Father's will, but Paul's point in Colossians is not to assert that God the Father did not have spirit children, but rather to emphasize the preeminence of Jesus as he did the will of the Father. v. 18.
That Jesus had a brother named Lucifer is not a new idea to Christians. Catholic writer Giovanni Papini quotes Lactantius, a Third Century Christian writer, from his apologetic work, Divinac Institutines 11.9:
Before creating the world, God produced a spirit like himself replete with the virtues of the Father. Later He made another, in whom the mark of divine origin was erased, because this one was besmirched by the poison of jealousy and turned therefore from good to evil. He was jealous of his older brother who, remaining united with the Father, insured his affection unto himself. This being who from good became bad is called devil by the Greeks.
Papini concludes that, "According to Lactantius, Lucifer would have been nothing less than the brother of the logos, of the word, ie. of the second person of the trinity". Giovanni Papini, The Devil, p. 81.
Lucifer, or Satan of the Old and New Testaments, initially was in heaven but fell and took one third of the Hosts of Heaven with him. Isa. 14:12, Rev. 12:9. His fall from heaven was confirmed by the Savior. Luke 10:18. The Devil and his angels are most anxious to inhabit the bodies of mortals. Lk. 8:2633; Matt. 9:32. All the Savior did, has done and will do, is the antithesis of Lucifer, but both Jesus and Satan are offspring of God the Father, as are all members of the human family.

[Once upon a time]

I was raised a Mormon, dear person from Dandridge.I am no longer of this religion, but I have a better understanding of their beliefs. The teachings that you feel are lies are really the belief systems of these people, just as your belief is that Jesus is God Incarnate. Let them hve thir beliefs, as to them, these beliefs no no more lies than yours are to you.

[Hannah Rebekah]

Catholic chick wrote:

Both Catholics and Mormons follow at least one teaching in common.
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
Seems a couple of Mormon kids missed that Sunday school lesson. Seems a few people on this message board might want to check that out too. While you're at it, check out Matthew 7:1.
Not trying to take sides here, but you might want to check your own religious teachings before you jump on someone else about theirs.

Hey, thanks for your Christlike remarks.

[Stop The Mormons Lies]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

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Is Lucifer the Brother of Jesus?
The Bible clearly indicates that God the Father is the father of the spirits of all mankind, and that both Jesus and Lucifer are also among his sons.

I notice you have no scripture to back up your lies. Jesus Christ is God. He created Lucifer, He isn't his brother. Colossians 1:6 tells us Christ created ALL things, visible and invisible, principalities and powers. He isnt satans brother sorry. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers, all things were created by him, and for him" Colossians 1:6.

[Stop The Mormons Lies]

Colossians 1:16 sorry..

[Hannah Rebekah]

Stop The Mormons Lies wrote:

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I notice you have no scripture to back up your lies. Jesus Christ is God. He created Lucifer, He isn't his brother. Colossians 1:6 tells us Christ created ALL things, visible and invisible, principalities and powers. He isnt satans brother sorry. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers, all things were created by him, and for him" Colossians 1:6.

I don't need to defend my religion to you. I know what is true. So run home with your Anti-Whom-Ever and believe what you want and stop spreading lies about other religions. I've come to see the Evangelicals for who they really are and I'm inclined to believe that the Reformation brought even more confusion than ever before. Catholics retained more truths than Protestants will ever give them credit for or know. So just keep pretending that you are the enlightened ones and all others are beneath you if it makes you feel more Christian. With all the 100,000 different Christian denominations and sects who fight among themselves, tell me which one is the true one as they all can't be true? Believe what you want if it makes you feel better or superior. A true Christian will be known by their fruits. Just look through the posts as there are a few here and you are not among them.
Fruits = love = tolerance

[FSM]

You can't say one religion is truer than another. Religion, by its very nature, depends on the faith of the believer. There is no way to prove any religion. However, some religious beliefs can be disproved. For instance, the Mormon belief that Native American's were descendants of Israelites who migrated to the Americas has been disproved by both archaeological and genetic evidence. Because of the strong emotional feeling involved with a believer of a religion, conflict always arises from believers of different sects and faiths. In this case it was just petty vandalism, but sadly, many times the consequence is war (despite a given religion's anti-war stance). It's sad that in today's times there are people who still perpetuate their nonsense and attempt to oppress others with their religious beliefs. It's time to move on and except science and tolerance.

[josh]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

<quoted text>
Is Lucifer the Brother of Jesus?
The Bible clearly indicates that God the Father is the father of the spirits of all mankind, and that both Jesus and Lucifer are also among his sons. "Orthodox Christians" do not accept this Biblical doctrine.
In contrast Lucifer and all mankind have a common Heavenly Father. The Bible clearly teaches that all men and women who have ever lived in heaven and on earth are the spirit offspring of our eternal Heavenly Father. Paul taught, "For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device". Acts 17:28,29.
We see in Luke 3:38 that Adam is a son of God. It is only logical that we, who are descended from him, are members of the same family. The author of Hebrews affirms the brotherhood of all men by stating that we are to be "in subjection unto the Father of Spirits". Heb. 12:9, see Num. 16:22. The book of I John gives account of our relationship to the Father: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God". 1 John 3:2. Paul speaks of "one God and Father of all (Eph. 4:6).
We learn from the book of Job that "there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them" (Job 1:6). Job makes it clear that as one of the Sons of God, Satan was recognized by the Lord in their presence (Job 1:7- 12,2:1-6). He fell from his heavenly abode,(Luke 10:18, Rev. 12:7-9, Isa. 14:12-14), but that does not negate that he was once a literal "spirit" offspring or child of God. These scriptures clearly show that all of us are offspring of God, our Heavenly Father--including those children who rebelled and followed Satan.
The critic will point to Colossians 1:16 as a prooftext that Jesus is the creator of all things in Heaven and earth and therefore cannot be Lucifer's brother. Such an erroneous interpretation is in sharp contradiction to the passages cited above and others on the subject. The scriptures are clear as to Jesus' creative role and his obedience to his Father's will, but Paul's point in Colossians is not to assert that God the Father did not have spirit children, but rather to emphasize the preeminence of Jesus as he did the will of the Father. v. 18.
That Jesus had a brother named Lucifer is not a new idea to Christians. Catholic writer Giovanni Papini quotes Lactantius, a Third Century Christian writer, from his apologetic work, Divinac Institutines 11.9:
Before creating the world, God produced a spirit like himself replete with the virtues of the Father. Later He made another, in whom the mark of divine origin was erased, because this one was besmirched by the poison of jealousy and turned therefore from good to evil. He was jealous of his older brother who, remaining united with the Father, insured his affection unto himself. This being who from good became bad is called devil by the Greeks.
Papini concludes that, "According to Lactantius, Lucifer would have been nothing less than the brother of the logos, of the word, ie. of the second person of the trinity". Giovanni Papini, The Devil, p. 81.
Lucifer, or Satan of the Old and New Testaments, initially was in heaven but fell and took one third of the Hosts of Heaven with him. Isa. 14:12, Rev. 12:9. His fall from heaven was confirmed by the Savior. Luke 10:18. The Devil and his angels are most anxious to inhabit the bodies of mortals. Lk. 8:2633; Matt. 9:32. All the Savior did, has done and will do, is the antithesis of Lucifer, but both Jesus and Satan are offspring of God the Father, as are all members of the human family.

lady- you are crayz, and now youre using this place to mess with the catholics again. you need mental help.

[Stop The Mormons Lies]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

<quoted text>
I don't need to defend my religion to you. I know what is true. So run home with your Anti-Whom-Ever and believe what you want and stop spreading lies about other religions. A true Christian will be known by their fruits. Just look through the posts as there are a few here and you are not among them.
Fruits = love = tolerance

Let me explain something to you. God isn't tolerant of cults. Nor I. God's Word, the Holy Bible, is the authority, not you nor the mormon cult. Mormons have no clue who Jesus Christ is nor are they Christian from a biblical standpoint. The Book of Mormon is NOT more correct than the bible as mormons teach. You must be born again or you shall never see the Kingdom of God Jesus said, and as far as "fruit" goes, I am called to expose the works of darkness, for which mormonism is. Nothing but doctrines of devils and that is why mormons can never defend their erroneus and absurd teachings from scripture. For all who wish to see how UNBIBLICAL mormon teachings are, read the following link. If you know anything about the bible, it doesnt't take a rocket scientist figure out mormon teachings are NOT from scripture. http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_doctrines.htm

[Stop The Mormons Lies]

Once upon a time wrote:

I was raised a Mormon, dear person from Dandridge.I am no longer of this religion, but I have a better understanding of their beliefs. The teachings that you feel are lies are really the belief systems of these people, just as your belief is that Jesus is God Incarnate. Let them hve thir beliefs, as to them, these beliefs no no more lies than yours are to you.

First of all, the teachings that I "feel" are lies have nothing to do with MY opinions. Scripture clearly contradicts mormon teachings. I didn't write the bible so it is not MY opinion we are speaking of here. God's word is the authority, not your, nor my OPINIONS. They can have their beliefs, but they will not, in my presence, speak things contrary to scripture and say it is Christian. Mormon teachings are nothing but doctrines of devils. Mormonism is a non-Christian cult...period.

[Holy Man Lester]

I am a holy man. Those that do not follow the wisdom of my faith shall have their souls cast aside to suffer eternal torment. Yea verily.

[Jeremiah]

Stop The Mormons Lies wrote:

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First of all, the teachings that I "feel" are lies have nothing to do with MY opinions. Scripture clearly contradicts mormon teachings. I didn't write the bible so it is not MY opinion we are speaking of here. God's word is the authority, not your, nor my OPINIONS. They can have their beliefs, but they will not, in my presence, speak things contrary to scripture and say it is Christian. Mormon teachings are nothing but doctrines of devils. Mormonism is a non-Christian cult...period.

Were you taught all of this by your preacher? What denomination are you?

[Praying]

LDS Member wrote:

Reverend Ike - Sorry to hear about your cult that is out of control but that is not the topic here. The LDS Church is not a cult as it fits no criteria for one.
Mother of an Officer - This is a good question. It should be the 3 idiots who did it, however they were supposed to be representing the Church at the time. Time will tell.

I'm sure you are very committed to your church. But, by definition it is a cult. Beliefs in Jesus are what define a cult. Mormonism doesn't believe in Jesus the way the Bible teaches. Mormonism is VERY different than the biblical model.