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Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#1 Mar 31, 2013
"...During George W. Bush’s administration, Dick Cheney reminded Americans over the course of eight years that:
Ronald Reagan, who doubled the national debt), said “deficits don’t matter,”,
and then after Bush left President Obama a $1.2 trillion deficit for fiscal 2009, deficits instantaneously became a threat to America.

Suddenly, the people who inherited a balanced budget from the Democrats, and then left us with a Trillion Dollar deficit, three unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts for the rich, and an unfunded Medicare prescription plan, developed a fear of deficits".

Where were all the Right Wingers now complaining about deficits when George was turning a surplus into a Trillion Dollar deficit ? Out cashing their government checks.

Right Wingers - hypocrites to the end.

More to follow,( this is fun ).
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#2 Apr 1, 2013
Looks like you upset some die-hards...

Ten Years Ago Today: Bush Fires Economic Team. Cheney says,'Deficits Don't Matter.'
December 06, 2012 10:00 AM
http://crooksandliars.com/mugsy/ten-years-ago...

Ten years ago today on December 6, 2002, the Bush Administration fired its top two economic advisers: Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey due to the continuing lagging economy (when Bush took office, unemployment was 4.2%. In Dec of 2002... more than a year after 9/11... the rate jumped from 5.7% to 6.0% in one month). In November of 2002, when O'Neill, a "deficit hawk", tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits... expected to top $500 billion that fiscal year alone... posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off, saying, "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

O'Neill was replaced with CSX (the freight train company) CEO John Snow, also a "deficit hawk", yet appointed the unenviable task of convincing the public (ie: Wall Street) that "deficits don't matter".

It is worth remembering on this tenth anniversary just how we got here. When the Bush Administration took office 22 months earlier, they were handed a balanced budget in which the government was actually collecting more in taxes than it needed to run the federal government. Less than two years later, O'Neill was warning of a HALF-TRILLION DOLLAR deficit for 2003. The surplus revenue under Clinton was used to start paying off our Debt which had exploded under Reagan and the first President Bush. Presidential candidate George W. Bush actually campaigned on the fact that because we were collecting more in taxes than it takes to run the government, that means we were being "overtaxed", telling cheering crowds, "It's not the government's money, it's YOUR money!", and therefore deserved a "tax cut"... the much heralded "Bush Tax Cut" that we are fighting over today, despite the fact that the original premise in support of them... a budget surplus... hasn't existed in over 12 years.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#3 Apr 1, 2013
Oh my wrote:
Looks like you upset some die-hards...

Ten Years Ago Today: Bush Fires Economic Team. Cheney says,'Deficits Don't Matter.'
December 06, 2012 10:00 AM
http://crooksandliars.com/mugsy/ten-years-ago...

Ten years ago today on December 6, 2002, the Bush Administration fired its top two economic advisers: Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey due to the continuing lagging economy (when Bush took office, unemployment was 4.2%. In Dec of 2002... more than a year after 9/11... the rate jumped from 5.7% to 6.0% in one month). In November of 2002, when O'Neill, a "deficit hawk", tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits... expected to top $500 billion that fiscal year alone... posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off, saying, "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

O'Neill was replaced with CSX (the freight train company) CEO John Snow, also a "deficit hawk", yet appointed the unenviable task of convincing the public (ie: Wall Street) that "deficits don't matter".

It is worth remembering on this tenth anniversary just how we got here. When the Bush Administration took office 22 months earlier, they were handed a balanced budget in which the government was actually collecting more in taxes than it needed to run the federal government. Less than two years later, O'Neill was warning of a HALF-TRILLION DOLLAR deficit for 2003. The surplus revenue under Clinton was used to start paying off our Debt which had exploded under Reagan and the first President Bush. Presidential candidate George W. Bush actually campaigned on the fact that because we were collecting more in taxes than it takes to run the government, that means we were being "overtaxed", telling cheering crowds, "It's not the government's money, it's YOUR money!", and therefore deserved a "tax cut"... the much heralded "Bush Tax Cut" that we are fighting over today, despite the fact that the original premise in support of them... a budget surplus... hasn't existed in over 12 years.
Isn't it amazing how divorced from reality our Right Wing friends have become.

And how emotionally invested in their false paradigms they are.

No matter how they are flooded with facts demonstrating they are the tools of the rich, being manipulated with fear and envy, they just can't cast off the blinders that cause them to constantly vote against the interests of the country and themselves.

I am not a conspiracy guy, but I truly believe the defunding of our public schools, the voucher program, and the attacks on the educated "Elite", are intentionally designed to "dumb down" Americans - so they actually believe it's necessary to bankrupt the country with insane wars, to bleed the middle class to engorge the rich even richer, and to believe the 0.5 % that run the country do so by God's will.

It ain't gonna get better till it gets a lot worse.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#4 Apr 1, 2013
Yeah, it makes one wonder...

http://crooksandliars.com/mugsy/ten-years-ago...
...The surplus revenue under Clinton was used to start paying off our Debt which had exploded under Reagan and the first President Bush. Presidential candidate George W. Bush actually campaigned on the fact that because we were collecting more in taxes than it takes to run the government, that means we were being "overtaxed", telling cheering crowds, "It's not the government's money, it's YOUR money!", and therefore deserved a "tax cut"...
nummum

Pittsburgh, PA

#5 Apr 1, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Gets Ugly Man
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#6 Apr 1, 2013
nummum wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=i_QjjFEZpo 4
Gets Ugly Man
You are interfering in the love fest of 2 libtards.

local business owner

Dawsonville, GA

#7 Apr 1, 2013
Maybe someday you libs will be able to come up with an informed opinion on your own and not have to rely on copy and paste.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#8 Apr 1, 2013
local business owner wrote:
Maybe someday you libs will be able to come up with an informed opinion on your own and not have to rely on copy and paste.
Yep, in Right Wing World - if a series of facts are "cut and pasted" - they cease to become facts.

If you "cut and paste" verses from the Bible - they cease being Holy.

If you "cut and paste" statistics prepared by the General Accounting Office - they cease being statistics prepared by the GAO.

If you "cut and paste" quotes from Shakespeare - they cease being the Bard's words.

In order to maintain the sanctity of the information, it must be retyped word for word - "cut and pasting", which assures accuracy and speed, is not permitted.

And Google - while that's a Satanic plot designed to get people to research primary sources on their own - instead of accepting the Holy Word of Rushbo and Hannity.

Gotta love Right Wing thinking - avoid, at all costs, accuracy and the ready distribution of facts and knowledge.

Let us know how your typewriter is working.

By the way, how much does carbon paper costs nowadays.
local business owner

Dawsonville, GA

#9 Apr 1, 2013
My point is that some of us are able to come up with an informed opinion of our own without the help of internet pundits. And FYI, I am not a member of the so-called right wing and have not been for about 6 years now. You see, I have my own informed opinion that was not force fed to me by a political party.
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, in Right Wing World - if a series of facts are "cut and pasted" - they cease to become facts.
If you "cut and paste" verses from the Bible - they cease being Holy.
If you "cut and paste" statistics prepared by the General Accounting Office - they cease being statistics prepared by the GAO.
If you "cut and paste" quotes from Shakespeare - they cease being the Bard's words.
In order to maintain the sanctity of the information, it must be retyped word for word - "cut and pasting", which assures accuracy and speed, is not permitted.
And Google - while that's a Satanic plot designed to get people to research primary sources on their own - instead of accepting the Holy Word of Rushbo and Hannity.
Gotta love Right Wing thinking - avoid, at all costs, accuracy and the ready distribution of facts and knowledge.
Let us know how your typewriter is working.
By the way, how much does carbon paper costs nowadays.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#10 Apr 1, 2013
local business owner wrote:
<quoted text>My point is that some of us are able to come up with an informed opinion of our own without the help of internet pundits. And FYI, I am not a member of the so-called right wing and have not been for about 6 years now. You see, I have my own informed opinion that was not force fed to me by a political party.
Here's why I think it's not a valid criticism, but feel free to disagree.

I "cut and paste" statistics that would be too cumbersome and time intensive to retype, and which are presented already in an efficient and easily understood format.

I "cut and paste" opinion pieces with which I agree and that are more articulately expressed than I could articulate.

If the message is better expressed and more easily understood in the words of others, it seems illogical to waste time and effort restating that which accurately expresses your opinion.

My staff makes fun of me because I use 4 monitors at work to cut and paste documents and correspondence.

After all these years, I'd rather cite to someone else's work - which articulately supports my argument - than try to express in a different way, what has already been expressed in a satisfactory manner.

Just how I've become more efficient.

Also - you have to admit - retyping the facts that dispel and debunk the multitude of lies and myths posted on TOPIX would be a full time job. This way I can do it while watching basketball and eating ice cream with the kids.

and information the substance with which presented in a manner which
Bored

Commerce, GA

#11 Apr 2, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's why I think it's not a valid criticism, but feel free to disagree.
I "cut and paste" statistics that would be too cumbersome and time intensive to retype, and which are presented already in an efficient and easily understood format.
I "cut and paste" opinion pieces with which I agree and that are more articulately expressed than I could articulate.
If the message is better expressed and more easily understood in the words of others, it seems illogical to waste time and effort restating that which accurately expresses your opinion.
My staff makes fun of me because I use 4 monitors at work to cut and paste documents and correspondence.
After all these years, I'd rather cite to someone else's work - which articulately supports my argument - than try to express in a different way, what has already been expressed in a satisfactory manner.
Just how I've become more efficient.
Also - you have to admit - retyping the facts that dispel and debunk the multitude of lies and myths posted on TOPIX would be a full time job. This way I can do it while watching basketball and eating ice cream with the kids.
and information the substance with which presented in a manner which
What a dunce.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12 Apr 2, 2013
local business owner wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Maybe someday you libs will be able to come up with an informed opinion on your own and not have to rely on copy and paste.
It's such a butt-burner when a position is actually based on something more than a rumbling of the gut.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#13 Apr 2, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>It's such a butt-burner when a position is actually based on something more than a rumbling of the gut.
I hate being the guy that explodes the lies and myths spread by Fox Noises, Rushbo, Hannity, and the other Right Wing's mouthpieces.

But it's necessary because unless history is accurately remembered - we truly are doomed to give power back totally to the corporate tools.

What's titillating,(another word for "Bored" to enjoy), is how desperately and emotionally affixed some are to obviously inaccurate lies and myths.

Wouldn't it be easier for them to just to acknowledge reality and learning from experience, change their positions to reflect the fact they were duped by professional liars and manipulators.

There's no shame in being the victim - one time. The shame comes when you ignore reality and repeat the debacle.

Besides, at breakfast there's usually 2 or 3 of us searching on the iPhones for facts, so it just isn't that much work.

Ah... French Toast.
Melvin

Jefferson, GA

#14 Apr 2, 2013
Said to be a mainstay of the diet of gays, liberals, sissys and just plain goofy people, French Toast comes in many forms:

Serving temperature
Hot, with toppings like butter, syrup, cinnamon, and brown sugar.

Main ingredient(s)
Bread, eggs

French toast, also known as eggy bread,[1] and Gypsy toast[2] is a dish of bread soaked in beaten eggs and then fried.

When French toast is served as a sweet dish, milk, sugar, vanilla or cinnamon are also commonly added before pan-frying, and then it may be topped with sugar, butter, fruit, syrup, or other items. Typically, this dish is made with thick slices of bread and, although typically pan-fried, can also be baked in the oven for a more low calorie version devoid of butter or oil. When it is a savory dish, it is generally fried with a pinch of salt, and can then be served with a sauce such as ketchup or mayonnaise.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#15 Apr 2, 2013
Melvin wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Said to be a mainstay of the diet of gays, liberals, sissys and just plain goofy people, French Toast comes in many forms:
French Toast, French Mustard, French Fries,
effete, elitist, know-it-alls,
imagery association and propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ney
...Ney represented Ohio's 18th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995 until November 3, 2006, when he resigned. Ney's resignation took place after he pled guilty to charges of conspiracy and making false statements in relation to the Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal. Before he pled guilty, Ney was identified in the guilty pleas of Jack Abramoff, former Tom DeLay deputy chief of staff Tony Rudy, former DeLay press secretary Michael Scanlon and former Ney chief of staff Neil Volz for receiving lavish gifts in exchange for political favors.

...Ney also gained notoriety when he mandated, as Chairman of the House Administration Committee, that "french fries" be renamed "freedom fries" on House of Representatives food service menus, to indicate displeasure with France's lack of support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Bad Bob

Watkinsville, GA

#16 Apr 2, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate being the guy that explodes the lies and myths spread by Fox Noises, Rushbo, Hannity, and the other Right Wing's mouthpieces.
Don't worry, you're not. You are just the guy giving us the low informed Libby point of view. Basically you just give the rest of us a good laugh!
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#17 Apr 2, 2013
Those self-inflicted opposing positions,
always good for a few chuckles...

Great Gun Gobbledygook: The Paradox of Second Amendment Hardliners
Conservatives say armed citizens are an essential guard against government tyranny. They also support massive military spending. How is that supposed to work?
DOMINIC TIERNEYAPR 1 2013, 2:57 PM ET
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...

In the current debate over gun control, the pro-gun lobby has an ace card up its sleeve: We need weapons to prevent government tyranny, they say. These self-styled champions of liberty see guns as the ultimate insurance policy to protect the Constitution. The problem is that most of those making this argument also strongly support a massive U.S. military -- exactly the behemoth we must be armed against. It's the great gun gobbledygook.

Consider Marco Rubio. The senator just threatened to filibuster any gun-control legislation because the Second Amendment "speaks to history's lesson that government cannot be in all places at all times, and history's warning about the oppression of a government that tries."

The specter of government despotism looms so large our only salvation lies with a nation of armed watchmen.

But curiously, Rubio also strongly supports beefing up government power by creating a vast military establishment. In 2012, he described defense cuts as "catastrophic" because "history has proven that the stronger the U.S. military is, the more peaceful the world becomes." According to Politico, in a recent speech at the University of Louisville, "Rubio made the case for American military might around the world."

...Why the contradiction? Conservatives don't think of the military as part of the government. On the one hand, you have the shadowy Obama state, the inefficient Leviathan, the Feds, the black helicopters, or just "them." And on the other hand, you have the military, the righteous guardians of the nation.

But of course, the military is the government, subject to the same waste and inefficiency as any other part of Washington, D.C.

Conservatives say that a weaponized citizenry is a necessary shield against dictatorship. I'll take the argument more seriously if conservatives stop arming this tyrant to the teeth.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#18 Apr 2, 2013
Bad Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Don't worry, you're not. You are just the guy giving us the low informed Libby point of view. Basically you just give the rest of us a good laugh!
Thanks.

The perfect Right Wing post.

Information, facts
and knowledge are only "good for laughs".

Thank God Right Wingers enjoy expressing their love of ignorance - nobody would believe us if we claimed it was true.

You prove it for us.

Awesome job !
Bored

Commerce, GA

#19 Apr 2, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
The perfect Right Wing post.
Information, facts
and knowledge are only "good for laughs".
Thank God Right Wingers enjoy expressing their love of ignorance - nobody would believe us if we claimed it was true.
You prove it for us.
Awesome job !
Boring.
Bad Bob

Watkinsville, GA

#20 Apr 2, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
The perfect Right Wing post.
Information, facts
and knowledge are only "good for laughs".
Thank God Right Wingers enjoy expressing their love of ignorance - nobody would believe us if we claimed it was true.
You prove it for us.
Awesome job !
So post something normal besides all your libby crap then!

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