GA ranked 48th in SAT scores. Whata ...

GA ranked 48th in SAT scores. Whata go teachers!

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Ivy League doubtful

Lavonia, GA

#1 Sep 28, 2012
http://georgiataxcreditscholarship.org/sat-sc...
I'm sure the teachers are expecting their COLA's, tenure, and promotions. Since they are now probably a little hesitant to just outright change the test sheets....

Why don't we just add a bunch of points to the kids scores to make them look better, like we have always done in the past?

1980 test and associated changes

The inclusion of the "Strivers" Score study was implemented. This study was introduced by The Educational Testing Service, which administers the SAT, and has been conducting research on how to make it easier for minorities and individuals who suffer from social and economic barriers. The original "Strivers" project, which was in the research phase from 1980–1994, awarded special "Striver" status to test-takers who scored 200 points higher than expected for their race, gender and income level. The belief was that this would give minorities a better chance at being accepted in to a college of higher standard, i.e. an Ivy League school. In 1992, the Strivers Project was leaked to the public; as a result the Strivers Project was terminated in 1993. After Federal Courts heard arguments from the ACLU, NAACP and the Educational Testing Service, the courts ordered the study to alter its data collection process, stating that only the age, race and zip code could be used to determine the test-takers eligibility for "Strivers" points. These changes were introduced to the SAT effective in 1994.
1994 changes

In 1994 the verbal section received a dramatic change in focus. Among these changes were the removal of antonym questions, and an increased focus on passage reading. The mathematics section also saw a dramatic change in 1994, thanks in part to pressure from the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics. For the first time since 1935, the SAT asked some non-multiple choice questions, instead requiring students to supply the answers. 1994 also saw the introduction of calculators into the mathematics section for the first time in the test's history. The mathematics section introduced concepts of probability, slope, elementary statistics, counting problems, median and mode.[26]

The average score on the 1994 modification of the SAT I was usually around 1000 (500 on the verbal, 500 on the math). The most selective schools in the United States (for example, those in the Ivy League) typically had SAT averages exceeding 1400 on the old test[citation needed].
1995 re-centering (raising median score back to 500)

The test scoring was initially scaled to make 500 the mean score on each section with a standard deviation of 100.[28] As the test grew more popular and more students from less rigorous schools began taking the test, the average dropped to about 428 Verbal and 478 Math. The SAT was "recentered" in 1995, and the average "new" score became again close to 500. Scores awarded after 1994 and before October 2001 are officially reported with an "R" (e.g. 1260R) to reflect this change. Old scores may be recentered to compare to 1995 to present scores by using official College Board tables,[29] which in the middle ranges add about 70 points to Verbal and 20 or 30 points to Math. In other words, current students have a 100 (70 plus 30) point advantage over their parents.
1995 re-centering controversy

Certain educational organizations viewed the SAT re-centering initiative as an attempt to stave off international embarrassment in regards to continuously declining test scores, even among top students. As evidence, it was presented that the number of pupils who scored above 600 on the verbal portion of the test had fallen from a peak of 112,530 in 1972 to 73,080 in 1993, a 36% backslide, despite the fact that the total number of test-takers had risen over 500,000.[30]
SAT

Jefferson, GA

#2 Sep 28, 2012
What happens when the state is full of Afrikan Amerikans who don't give a shit about anything but a free cell phone from Mr. Obama.

Oh, yes, then we need to consider the tweeker white meth-heads who don't give a shit if their kid(s) goes to school or not.

“Skin a Floridian”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#3 Sep 28, 2012
SAT wrote:
What happens when the state is full of Afrikan Amerikans who don't give a shit about anything but a free cell phone from Mr. Obama.
Oh, yes, then we need to consider the tweeker white meth-heads who don't give a shit if their kid(s) goes to school or not.
The century old Text for blacks an races other than white may just have something to do with the lower scores. Bets if whites were singled out that their scores are much higher. How may a teacher teach those that lack the brainpower to grasp and retain what they read even with dumbed down textbook solutions. Iz just cannot grasp the idea of a Black scholar, in reality the text would not allow such.
NGCSU

Lavonia, GA

#4 Sep 29, 2012
NGCSU is ranked 22nd among public universities in the South in the 2013 edition of Best Colleges.

“North Georgia’s repeated high ranking in this list is a reflection of the university’s outstanding students and a world-class faculty and staff that contribute to an excellent academic reputation,” said Bonita C. Jacobs, president of North Georgia College & State University.“Though no ranking can capture the breadth of a university’s full experience, this helps confirm the supportive and challenging educational environment North Georgia provides.”

For several consecutive years, the average high school grade point average of North Georgia’s entering freshmen has been the third-highest among all 35 schools in the University System of Georgia, just behind the University of Georgia and Georgia Tech. The fall 2012 freshman class has an average high school GPA of 3.55. Similarly, the SAT scores for its entering freshmen are consistently among the highest in the state. This fall’s freshman class has an average SAT score of 1117.

North Georgia’s six-year graduation rate, the standard used for reporting purposes, exceeds 52 percent; the average for the state university sector in the University System of Georgia is 37 percent.

Additionally, North Georgia was the second-ranked regional university in the South for the least amount of debt load for the class of 2011, with 55 percent of its students who borrowed money for school at some point graduating debt free. North Georgia is also included in the magazine's list of A-Plus Schools for B Students, which identifies schools that admit solidly prepared high-school students and provide an educational environment that helps them advance toward their educational goals.
Amos_1

Commerce, GA

#5 Sep 29, 2012

Ga ranked 48th in Sat scores..

Ga ranked 50th in political Ethics.........

Is the Ethics ranking a reflection of their Sat scores???????

Informed Opinion

Bonita Springs, FL

#6 Sep 30, 2012
Thank God parents have no responsibility for their children's education.

Let's attack teachers,
- cut their pay and benefits to force the best out of teaching,
- attack their efforts to force kids to work at education,
- sit on our asses and watch "America's Got Talent" instead of National Geographic or CSPAN,
- swoon over the kid who scored a touchdown and ignore our kids who do great on their SATs,
- refuse to help our kids with homework,
- ridicule anyone who tries to accentuate the value of education,
- spend our money on toys, cars, vacations, beer, and cigarettes, not educational aids or tutoring,
- refuse to pay the taxes used to improve schools and pay teachers what they should earn as educated, trained, professionals,

Yep, typical Right Wing thought -

Destroy public education,
then bitch public education doesn't work.

Here's a hint - when you intentionally burn down your house - you sound silly complaining your house is burnt down.

Just Mike

Bogart, GA

#7 Sep 30, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
Thank God parents have no responsibility for their children's education.

Let's attack teachers...
Excellent depiction of a sad irony... thanks.

However, I don't believe that throwing more money at the (currently structured) education system is the answer, either. Perhaps we need to consider just HOW do we change the "environment" of public schools to one of "learning" rather than its current MESS. Lets face it... parenting ain't getting better, and they'll always blame "the system" for their children's lack of ambition.

Why don't we make attendance a PRIVILEGE rather than "the law"? Also, why not have "plumbing, electrician, construction" and a host of trades curriculum available to those students that will NEVER be interested in stuff on the SAT exam? This way... upon graduation, they start earning reasonable wages immediately instead of flipping burgers and living in M + D's basement.

There are so many ideas out there to radically change the way educating young people is done... yet we continue to blow huge money "tweaking" a system that just doesn't work anymore. The societal changes in family, parenting, and teen culture have made the current system obsolete. Only a true LEADER with common sense will cause change... wish I was aware of one.
two plus two

Lavonia, GA

#8 Sep 30, 2012
I wonder why N Fulton county does so good? S Fulton is the exact opposite.

Alpharetta 1686
Centennial 1614
Chattahoochee 1678
Milton 1657
Northview 1722
Roswell 1671
North Fulton 1671
Fulton County 1584

Georgia 1460
National 1509
Union County 1443
Informed Opinion

Bonita Springs, FL

#9 Sep 30, 2012
Just Mike wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent depiction of a sad irony... thanks.

However, I don't believe that throwing more money at the (currently structured) education system is the answer, either. Perhaps we need to consider just HOW do we change the "environment" of public schools to one of "learning" rather than its current MESS. Lets face it... parenting ain't getting better, and they'll always blame "the system" for their children's lack of ambition.

Why don't we make attendance a PRIVILEGE rather than "the law"? Also, why not have "plumbing, electrician, construction" and a host of trades curriculum available to those students that will NEVER be interested in stuff on the SAT exam? This way... upon graduation, they start earning reasonable wages immediately instead of flipping burgers and living in M + D's basement.

There are so many ideas out there to radically change the way educating young people is done... yet we continue to blow huge money "tweaking" a system that just doesn't work anymore. The societal changes in family, parenting, and teen culture have made the current system obsolete. Only a true LEADER with common sense will cause change... wish I was aware of one.
Great points.

As long as we get public education up to where kids from all levels of incomes, and all cultures, receive an equal opportunity for a great education, the system will work.

I gotta say, having watched the public schools being defended, while also being tasked to solve all society's problems, then criticized for being unable to perform miracles, just isn't realistic.

My kids are bilingual, and they are constantly asked to help kids who don't speak a word of English, but who are dumped into the public school, which is criticized when these kids don't learn fast enough.

Can you imagine the frustration of a teacher, who doesn't speak Spanish or Creole, being criticized for these kids not learning. No wonder so many good ones leave the profession.

Jefferson said that a well educated population is necessary for any people to govern themselves.

The question seems to me is are we willing to pay for the public education our country needs.
Al Coholic

Jefferson, GA

#11 Sep 30, 2012
Watch out. Ideas like yours will hurt the Education Business. How dare anyone get training in High School and get a good job without spending tens of thousands on College. Who do you think you are! We need more money, after all we just want to help the CHILDREN.
Just Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent depiction of a sad irony... thanks.
However, I don't believe that throwing more money at the (currently structured) education system is the answer, either. Perhaps we need to consider just HOW do we change the "environment" of public schools to one of "learning" rather than its current MESS. Lets face it... parenting ain't getting better, and they'll always blame "the system" for their children's lack of ambition.
Why don't we make attendance a PRIVILEGE rather than "the law"? Also, why not have "plumbing, electrician, construction" and a host of trades curriculum available to those students that will NEVER be interested in stuff on the SAT exam? This way... upon graduation, they start earning reasonable wages immediately instead of flipping burgers and living in M + D's basement.
There are so many ideas out there to radically change the way educating young people is done... yet we continue to blow huge money "tweaking" a system that just doesn't work anymore. The societal changes in family, parenting, and teen culture have made the current system obsolete. Only a true LEADER with common sense will cause change... wish I was aware of one.
Priorities

Lavonia, GA

#12 Sep 30, 2012
Just Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent depiction of a sad irony... thanks.
However, I don't believe that throwing more money at the (currently structured) education system is the answer, either.
This is where large chunks of your education budget is eaten up. 95% of the students don't play and don't care. How much time/effort/money was put in by students/staff on this effort, as compared to time/effort/money put in preparing for the SAT.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30th 2012 at 8:09am
Softball: Jefferson, Union advance to 8-AA finals
By staff reports

JEFFERSON – The Jefferson girls softball team continued its strong play at the end of the season taking a pair of impressive wins over Social Circle Saturday in the Region 8-AA Tournament.

The Lady Dragons beat the Lady Indians 8-0 and 7-0 in the best-of-three semifinal series to advance to the championship round on Thursday. They will take on Union County, who whipped Washington-Wilkes in the other semifinal series, in Blairsville.

Jefferson (16-14) has won 12 of its last 16 overall since beginning region play. Union County (17-10) came in ranked fourth in Class AA.

Union County won two of the three meetings 9-7 and 3-2 with Jefferson during the regular season. Jefferson won the last meeting earlier this month 3-2 in eight innings.

Morgan McKinney was the winning pitcher for both games allowing just three hits and fanning 12 in 10 innings on work. Emily Holman got the save in the second game for Jefferson.

Meagan Faulkner three hits and three RBI and Ashley Boyd had two hits and two RBI in Game 1. Boyd had two hits and two RBI in Game 2 to lead the Lady Dragons.
Priorities

Lavonia, GA

#13 Sep 30, 2012
They're going to the finals in softball, but I wonder where Union County ranks in the Class AA SAT scores?
Which gets put in the paper?
Informed Opinion

Bonita Springs, FL

#14 Sep 30, 2012
Priorities wrote:
They're going to the finals in softball, but I wonder where Union County ranks in the Class AA SAT scores?
Which gets put in the paper?
Great post.

Who cares?

All year long kids engage in academic contests and activities that are never publicized.

Twenty years form now the quarterback, or running back, or receiver, or linebacker will probably be working for the "geek" who studied and excelled at statistical anomalies, or physics, or engineering, but we insist on thinking high school sports is important, and academics aren't.

What makes it more problematical is that our international competition does understand it's academics that create wealth and prosperity.

But, I'm a Cubs fan, so maybe disappointment has taken its toll.

Just Mike

Bogart, GA

#15 Sep 30, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>As long as we get public education up to where kids from all levels of incomes, and all cultures, receive an equal opportunity for a great education, the system will work.
Hi IO... I sure do appreciate your "optimism", but I don't think your goal (see quoted from your post) is achievable or realistic. The reason is implicated in "Two Plus Two's" post.

First, school funding is largely based on property values and taxes thereon. Douglas county, Ga (lived there 1994 to 2006, 3 children in the public schools) is a good example of demographic changes KILLING the schools (south of I-20). Shoddy subdivisions cropping up at breakneck pace, cheaper houses and mortgages for anybody... ask any teacher that was there from the late '90's to today about "changes" in quality of students. You can find them now teaching in North Fulton county, where more highly educated parents owning more highly valued properties send their more highly motivated children to school. Do you agree with this equation:

Poorly Parented/Cared for Children In = Teachers Under Seige = Undereducated Graduates Out.

No amount of funding "re-allocation" or increase is going to change this. Nor will legislation like "No Child Left Behind"... even IF it were accompanied by the increased funding it wasn't given (this is arguable, I know).

I suggest that the ONLY way to "fix" the public school system problems is to make education less of an "entitlement" to "free day care", and hold parents more accountable for doing THEIR jobs at home. Consequences to parents for not monitoring and ASSISTING in little Johnny's progress/behavior in school will be that they will be spending a LOT more time with him at home. Wouldn't THAT scare the stuff out of them?!!

I don't have all the answers... but I'm not convinced that more money into an already flawed, over socialized system is the answer. I'm hoping T. Jefferson would agree. >;-)

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