"Mandatory Gratuity"

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challenger99

Sibley, LA

#1 Nov 20, 2009
There was a Thread on this Forum a short time ago concerning "tipping". For an interesting Thread on this Subject check out the Bethlehem, PA Forum. There are two separate Threads on the issue.
dont give boo a gun

Jefferson, GA

#2 Nov 20, 2009
challenger99 wrote:
There was a Thread on this Forum a short time ago concerning "tipping". For an interesting Thread on this Subject check out the Bethlehem, PA Forum. There are two separate Threads on the issue.
I will check those threads out, however I can tell you now my opinion on mandatory tipping:

A tip (also called a gratuity) is a VOLUNTARY payment. NOT mandatory. Those restaurants who automatically add gratuity to the bill should be looked into.
dont give boo a gun

Jefferson, GA

#3 Nov 20, 2009
I have never heard of a tip being "legally required". How do they get away with mandatory tipping?
challenger99

Sibley, LA

#4 Nov 20, 2009
dont give boo a gun wrote:
I have never heard of a tip being "legally required". How do they get away with mandatory tipping?
Good question, you have to read the Threads.
Oh Yeah, Bethlehem is only 10 miles from where I lived in PA.
gosh

Dawsonville, GA

#5 Nov 20, 2009
dont give boo a gun wrote:
I have never heard of a tip being "legally required". How do they get away with mandatory tipping?
crazy! i read the story about the college kids getting arrested for refusing to pay gratuity because they said they got lousy service. i cant even belive the police answered that call and drove to the pub. im flabbergasted that the policemen didnt have enough sense to realize how ridiculous it is to arrest people for not tipping!!
dont give boo a gun

Jefferson, GA

#6 Nov 20, 2009
gosh wrote:
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crazy! i read the story about the college kids getting arrested for refusing to pay gratuity because they said they got lousy service. i cant even belive the police answered that call and drove to the pub. im flabbergasted that the policemen didnt have enough sense to realize how ridiculous it is to arrest people for not tipping!!
I didn't read that story, but that is insane! I tip well when service is good, I tip lousy when service is bad.
learn to read

Dahlonega, GA

#7 Nov 20, 2009
Gentlemen, when you read the menu and it states such things, then you order from said menu, you are agreeing to the terms of the menu, it is an implied contract of sorts. If you don't like it you have the option to leave and get your meal somewhere else. What's so complicated? Guess fast food will be all that will accomodate your groups.

If you have a problem with service, the time to make a statement is during service, ask to speak with the manager, take care of the problem, don't be such whiney wimps and chump some one without giving them the chance to redeem themselves.

Ever think they are reacting to YOUR behavior? Might what to give that some thought...
challenger99

Sibley, LA

#8 Nov 20, 2009
learn to read wrote:
Gentlemen, when you read the menu and it states such things, then you order from said menu, you are agreeing to the terms of the menu, it is an implied contract of sorts. If you don't like it you have the option to leave and get your meal somewhere else. What's so complicated? Guess fast food will be all that will accomodate your groups.
If you have a problem with service, the time to make a statement is during service, ask to speak with the manager, take care of the problem, don't be such whiney wimps and chump some one without giving them the chance to redeem themselves.
Ever think they are reacting to YOUR behavior? Might what to give that some thought...
Just for your information, the Courts have agreed that Mandatory Gratuity is a tip and is not legal. It is legal to add it to the bill but is illegal not to remove it upon request.
TAKES ALL KINDS

United States

#9 Nov 20, 2009
I think it is sad that waitstaff get paid so little come on 2-4dollars an hour. It's crazy companies expect the guest to pay their wages. At the very least the should get min.wage with tips as extra. I have waited tables before I do not think tips should be mandatory. People should tip
according to service.
Professor

Dawsonville, GA

#10 Nov 20, 2009
Learn to read....it is NOT a contract. there is no such thing as a "implied contract of sorts". Most states will not prosecute as it is a civil matter. I do agree that the patron should talk to management first before not paying the tip. I know of a State Attorneys office that expressly told the local law enforcement that they WOULD NOT prosecute for not paying the added gratuity. Most menus state " a_____ gratuity "may" be added to your bill for parties of such and such. What if the menu had a disclaimer stating that a gratuity would be added if the patron was a white male over 6 feet tall and had brown hair? is it legal?
gosh

Dawsonville, GA

#11 Nov 20, 2009
learn to read wrote:
Gentlemen, when you read the menu and it states such things, then you order from said menu, you are agreeing to the terms of the menu, it is an implied contract of sorts. If you don't like it you have the option to leave and get your meal somewhere else. What's so complicated? Guess fast food will be all that will accomodate your groups.
If you have a problem with service, the time to make a statement is during service, ask to speak with the manager, take care of the problem, don't be such whiney wimps and chump some one without giving them the chance to redeem themselves.
Ever think they are reacting to YOUR behavior? Might what to give that some thought...
maybe you should read the story. the pub admitted that they waited an "UNusally long time". they also had to get up twice to get their own drinks. and when they finally ordered drinks, they took forever to get there. said they saw the waitress very little. that does not deserve 18% gratuity,
Professor

Dawsonville, GA

#12 Nov 20, 2009
oops hit post twice my bad
learn to read

Dahlonega, GA

#13 Nov 20, 2009
challenger99 wrote:
<quoted text>Just for your information, the Courts have agreed that Mandatory Gratuity is a tip and is not legal. It is legal to add it to the bill but is illegal not to remove it upon request.
We live in a small town, word gets around, and just where do you think these people could eat out other than fast food?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of the mandatory, but going through the manager is a much better option, that way they can get rid of the dead weight and you chould help to make that a better place to frequent. I can't imagine going through the expense of court or wasting their time for such a minor matter.
learn to read

Dahlonega, GA

#14 Nov 20, 2009
Challenger99, I've never really done the math at the restuarant...do they take 18% of "your" total or 18% of the total bill and them split that out?

Sometimes they have a problem with multiple checks, with today's computers, I don't get that one. When it comes into the kitchen that's not an issue...

Alot of lazy, ill trained personel.
John

Clarkesville, GA

#15 Nov 20, 2009
You talk black. Are you an MD?
Professor wrote:
oops hit post twice my bad
gosh

Dawsonville, GA

#16 Nov 20, 2009
learn to read wrote:
Challenger99, I've never really done the math at the restuarant...do they take 18% of "your" total or 18% of the total bill and them split that out?
Sometimes they have a problem with multiple checks, with today's computers, I don't get that one. When it comes into the kitchen that's not an issue...
Alot of lazy, ill trained personel.
boodoodle, is that you?
gosh

Dawsonville, GA

#17 Nov 20, 2009
learn to read wrote:
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We live in a small town, word gets around, and just where do you think these people could eat out other than fast food?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of the mandatory, but going through the manager is a much better option, that way they can get rid of the dead weight and you chould help to make that a better place to frequent. I can't imagine going through the expense of court or wasting their time for such a minor matter.
they did go thru the magager. the manager is the one who called the cops!
Professor

Dawsonville, GA

#18 Nov 20, 2009
Nah John. My post appeared twice cause I hit the "post" twice. it should read....Oops. I hit the post button twice. my mistake. better? lol
challenger99

Sibley, LA

#19 Nov 20, 2009
learn to read wrote:
Challenger99, I've never really done the math at the restuarant...do they take 18% of "your" total or 18% of the total bill and them split that out?
Sometimes they have a problem with multiple checks, with today's computers, I don't get that one. When it comes into the kitchen that's not an issue...
Alot of lazy, ill trained personel.
That is one of the reasons they don't want to do separate bills. With separate bills they cannot even apply the "mandatory gratuity" to the bill since the number of orders on the bill is less than the minimum.
One other reason the Court ruled the way they did is that some businesses do not allow tips as part of expense account meal cost since the amount is considered a personal decision.(Of course it usually gets "buried" some where on the expense account.)
learn to read

Dahlonega, GA

#20 Nov 20, 2009
challenger99, so if they do separate bills, you can basically tell them to forget the 18%? and of course, deal with the consequences..

Personally, for good service I tip at least 20%, so they do themselves a disservice, if they're good of course.

Do you know how the practice came about of tipping off the total amount of the bill?

I do know that TIPS = To Insure Prompt Service

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