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Ka Boom

Blairsville, GA

#142 Feb 24, 2013
Floridian wrote:
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Or suck the government tit and live like a fable.
I understand that it is factual that there are more Floridians on welfare than Georgians...
Informed Opinion

United States

#143 Feb 24, 2013
Floridian wrote:
<quoted text>Or suck the government tit and live like a fable.
Agreed.

The Real Welfare Problem: Government Giveaways to the Corporate 1%
by John Atcheson.

But it’s not about welfare queens vs hard working whites; its not about race or ethnic divisions; it’s not about any of the standard Republican bait and switch, divide and conquer BS.

It’s about handouts to the uber-rich and the corporations.

Bottom line: if you’re a Fortune 500 company or a member of the wealthiest 1%, you’re getting welfare, and a hell of a lot of it.

If you’re one of the dreaded entitlement crowd – which, if you include social security and Medicare, is the vast majority of the remaining 99%-- you’re getting chicken feed, and the Republicans want to take even this meager sustenance away.

Let’s run the numbers.

Corporate Subsidies: We spend $59 billion on social welfare programs, but more than $92 billion on corporate subsidies. According to the Environmental Law Institute, fossil fuel industries alone get more than $70 billion in subsidies, with most going to the oil and gas sector.

Sheltering Off-Shore Profits: Corporations are given $58 billion* a year in tax breaks for “deferred” taxes for off shore profits. Yep. Sure want to encourage US companies to hide profits off-shore.

Capital gains: Rich folks make the majority of their money in the form of dividends and capital gains, which are taxed at only 15%. This allows them to avoid some $59 billion in taxes per year.

Carried interest: Hedge fund managers avoid at least $2.1 billion in taxes a year. This sweet deal – not available to the ninety-nine percenters, by the way – lets hedge fund managers and other selected fat cats take what amounts to ordinary wages and have them taxed as if they were capital gains. So instead of being taxed at 35%(39.5% if we eliminate Bush’s tax cuts for the rich) it’s taxed at 15%. Ayn Rand would be proud. Thomas Jefferson, not so much. Wouldn’t want to deprive millionaire and billionaire hedge fund managers of their windfall.

$9 Trillion in Low and No Interest Loans from the Fed: And now for the mother of all welfare programs, how about $9 trillion loaned at below market rates – some of it as low as .5%. Here again, this money disappeared into the money vaults of the select few, rather than benefiting the common good.

So the next time some conservative comes up to you praising the power of the free market and bemoaning the welfare state or our slide into socialism or some other mindless talking point ... Check the numbers.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#144 Feb 24, 2013
Ka Boom wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that it is factual that there are more Floridians on welfare than Georgians...
Not really

US statistics percentage of persons on government welfare

Georgia #29 of 54 states and provinces at 1.44 per capita
Florida #52 of 54 states and provinces at 0.669 per capita
Fud

Dawsonville, GA

#145 Feb 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
The Real Welfare Problem: Government Giveaways to the Corporate 1%
by John Atcheson.
But it’s not about welfare queens vs hard working whites; its not about race or ethnic divisions; it’s not about any of the standard Republican bait and switch, divide and conquer BS.
It’s about handouts to the uber-rich and the corporations.
Bottom line: if you’re a Fortune 500 company or a member of the wealthiest 1%, you’re getting welfare, and a hell of a lot of it.
If you’re one of the dreaded entitlement crowd – which, if you include social security and Medicare, is the vast majority of the remaining 99%-- you’re getting chicken feed, and the Republicans want to take even this meager sustenance away.
Let’s run the numbers.
Corporate Subsidies: We spend $59 billion on social welfare programs, but more than $92 billion on corporate subsidies. According to the Environmental Law Institute, fossil fuel industries alone get more than $70 billion in subsidies, with most going to the oil and gas sector.
Sheltering Off-Shore Profits: Corporations are given $58 billion* a year in tax breaks for “deferred” taxes for off shore profits. Yep. Sure want to encourage US companies to hide profits off-shore.
Capital gains: Rich folks make the majority of their money in the form of dividends and capital gains, which are taxed at only 15%. This allows them to avoid some $59 billion in taxes per year.
Carried interest: Hedge fund managers avoid at least $2.1 billion in taxes a year. This sweet deal – not available to the ninety-nine percenters, by the way – lets hedge fund managers and other selected fat cats take what amounts to ordinary wages and have them taxed as if they were capital gains. So instead of being taxed at 35%(39.5% if we eliminate Bush’s tax cuts for the rich) it’s taxed at 15%. Ayn Rand would be proud. Thomas Jefferson, not so much. Wouldn’t want to deprive millionaire and billionaire hedge fund managers of their windfall.
$9 Trillion in Low and No Interest Loans from the Fed: And now for the mother of all welfare programs, how about $9 trillion loaned at below market rates – some of it as low as .5%. Here again, this money disappeared into the money vaults of the select few, rather than benefiting the common good.
So the next time some conservative comes up to you praising the power of the free market and bemoaning the welfare state or our slide into socialism or some other mindless talking point ... Check the numbers.
Cut paste repeat.

“Whine-It's all Bush's Fault”

Since: Feb 13

Blairsville

#146 Feb 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
The Real Welfare Problem: Government Giveaways to the Corporate 1%
by John Atcheson.
But it’s not about welfare queens vs hard working whites; its not about race or ethnic divisions; it’s not about any of the standard Republican bait and switch, divide and conquer BS.
It’s about handouts to the uber-rich and the corporations.
Bottom line: if you’re a Fortune 500 company or a member of the wealthiest 1%, you’re getting welfare, and a hell of a lot of it.
If you’re one of the dreaded entitlement crowd – which, if you include social security and Medicare, is the vast majority of the remaining 99%-- you’re getting chicken feed, and the Republicans want to take even this meager sustenance away.
Let’s run the numbers.
Corporate Subsidies: We spend $59 billion on social welfare programs, but more than $92 billion on corporate subsidies. According to the Environmental Law Institute, fossil fuel industries alone get more than $70 billion in subsidies, with most going to the oil and gas sector.
Sheltering Off-Shore Profits: Corporations are given $58 billion* a year in tax breaks for “deferred” taxes for off shore profits. Yep. Sure want to encourage US companies to hide profits off-shore.
Capital gains: Rich folks make the majority of their money in the form of dividends and capital gains, which are taxed at only 15%. This allows them to avoid some $59 billion in taxes per year.
Carried interest: Hedge fund managers avoid at least $2.1 billion in taxes a year. This sweet deal – not available to the ninety-nine percenters, by the way – lets hedge fund managers and other selected fat cats take what amounts to ordinary wages and have them taxed as if they were capital gains. So instead of being taxed at 35%(39.5% if we eliminate Bush’s tax cuts for the rich) it’s taxed at 15%. Ayn Rand would be proud. Thomas Jefferson, not so much. Wouldn’t want to deprive millionaire and billionaire hedge fund managers of their windfall.
$9 Trillion in Low and No Interest Loans from the Fed: And now for the mother of all welfare programs, how about $9 trillion loaned at below market rates – some of it as low as .5%. Here again, this money disappeared into the money vaults of the select few, rather than benefiting the common good.
So the next time some conservative comes up to you praising the power of the free market and bemoaning the welfare state or our slide into socialism or some other mindless talking point ... Check the numbers.
John Atcheson another far left Al Gore hugging Global Warming, now (more easily sellable) Climate Change liberal progressive, hanging onto that money wagon.

A primary contributor to Common Dreams.

Common Dreams marketing under:

Common Dreams
Building Progressive Community.

We share our readersprogressive values of social justice.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/03-7

John Atcheson is author of the novel, A Being Darkly Wise, an eco-thriller and Book One of a Trilogy centered on global warming. His writing has appeared in The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the San Jose Mercury News and other major newspapers.

Atchesons book reviews are featured on Climateprogess.org .

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/08/29/3...

John Atcheson has more than 30 years in energy and the environment with government, private industry, and the nations leading think tanks (see Utility decoupling on steroids.) He is working on his own novel about climate change.
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Just a little insight into where and who (un) informed opinion gets his particulars upon which he bases and makes erroneous and misinformed conclusions.

“Whine-It's all Bush's Fault”

Since: Feb 13

Blairsville

#147 Feb 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
The Real Welfare Problem: Government Giveaways to the Corporate 1%
by John Atcheson.
But it’s not about welfare queens vs hard working whites; its not about race or ethnic divisions; it’s not about any of the standard Republican bait and switch, divide and conquer BS.
It’s about handouts to the uber-rich and the corporations.
Bottom line: if you’re a Fortune 500 company or a member of the wealthiest 1%, you’re getting welfare, and a hell of a lot of it.
If you’re one of the dreaded entitlement crowd – which, if you include social security and Medicare, is the vast majority of the remaining 99%-- you’re getting chicken feed, and the Republicans want to take even this meager sustenance away.
Let’s run the numbers.
Corporate Subsidies: We spend $59 billion on social welfare programs, but more than $92 billion on corporate subsidies. According to the Environmental Law Institute, fossil fuel industries alone get more than $70 billion in subsidies, with most going to the oil and gas sector.
Sheltering Off-Shore Profits: Corporations are given $58 billion* a year in tax breaks for “deferred” taxes for off shore profits. Yep. Sure want to encourage US companies to hide profits off-shore.
Capital gains: Rich folks make the majority of their money in the form of dividends and capital gains, which are taxed at only 15%. This allows them to avoid some $59 billion in taxes per year.
Carried interest: Hedge fund managers avoid at least $2.1 billion in taxes a year. This sweet deal – not available to the ninety-nine percenters, by the way – lets hedge fund managers and other selected fat cats take what amounts to ordinary wages and have them taxed as if they were capital gains. So instead of being taxed at 35%(39.5% if we eliminate Bush’s tax cuts for the rich) it’s taxed at 15%. Ayn Rand would be proud. Thomas Jefferson, not so much. Wouldn’t want to deprive millionaire and billionaire hedge fund managers of their windfall.
$9 Trillion in Low and No Interest Loans from the Fed: And now for the mother of all welfare programs, how about $9 trillion loaned at below market rates – some of it as low as .5%. Here again, this money disappeared into the money vaults of the select few, rather than benefiting the common good.
So the next time some conservative comes up to you praising the power of the free market and bemoaning the welfare state or our slide into socialism or some other mindless talking point ... Check the numbers.
John Atcheson another far left Al Gore hugging Global Warming, now (more easily sellable) Climate Change liberal progressive hanging onto that money wagon.

A primary contributor to Common Dreams.

Common Dreams marketing under:

Common Dreams
Building Progressive Community.

We share our readersprogressive values of social justice.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/03-7

John Atcheson is author of the novel, A Being Darkly Wise, an eco-thriller and Book One of a Trilogy centered on global warming. His writing has appeared in The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the San Jose Mercury News and other major newspapers. Atchesons book reviews are featured on Climateprogess.org .

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/08/29/3...

John Atcheson has more than 30 years in energy and the environment with government, private industry, and the nations leading think tanks (see Utility decoupling on steroids.) He is working on his own novel about climate change.
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Just a little insight into where and who (un) informed opinion gets his particulars upon which he bases and makes erroneous and misinformed conclusions.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#148 Feb 24, 2013
Yep- wrote:
<quoted text>John Atcheson another far left Al Gore hugging Global Warming, now (more easily sellable) Climate Change liberal progressive, hanging onto that money wagon.

A primary contributor to Common Dreams.

Common Dreams marketing under:

Common Dreams
Building Progressive Community.

We share our readers’“progressive values of social justice.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/03-7

John Atcheson is author of the novel, A Being Darkly Wise, an eco-thriller and Book One of a Trilogy centered on global warming. His writing has appeared in The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the San Jose Mercury News and other major newspapers.

Atcheson’s book reviews are featured on Climateprogess.org .

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/08/29/3...

John Atcheson has more than 30 years in energy and the environment with government, private industry, and the nation’s leading think tanks (see “Utility decoupling on steroids.”) He is working on his own novel about climate change.
**********

Just a little insight into where and who (un) informed opinion gets his “particulars” upon which he bases and makes erroneous and misinformed conclusions.
Those scalding, burning, painful facts.

Thank God we Right Wingers don't have to pay attention to facts - instead, we devote all our efforts avoiding facts, not acknowledging the damn thing.

Thanks again for using the tried and true Right Wing tactic - deception and distraction - the facts prove us wrong -so - instead -
Attack the messenger !

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeberal !!!

Whew, almost caught there.

Don't believe him, he's a leeeeeeeeeeberal.

If Atchison says Christmas occurs in December - he's a leeeeeeeeeberal and so we all know that Christmas, whenever it occurs, it sure as Hell doesn't occur in December.
clem

Alto, GA

#149 Feb 24, 2013
wheew, you guys be the kings(or queens) of cut-and-paste. Have you fellars got any thoughts of yor own? Or maybe yew guys are jest engaging in some kinky mutual misterbation.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#150 Feb 24, 2013
Fud wrote:
<quoted text>Cut paste repeat.
Typical Right Wing response - which is why those of us with IQs exceeding our neck size never take them seriously - although these responses never cease to amuse.

Today's amusement is created by the Right Wing Wacko intellect,(or lack of same),
which, when confronted with a series of indisputable facts,
responds :
"Pay no attention to the facts, he didn't retype them, he "cut and pasted" those facts."

On Right Wing Wacko Planet a fact not retyped stops being a fact.

Here, let's make the 2013 Budget Deficit disappear on Right Wing Wacko Planet:

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects the 2013 ”baseline” federal budget deficit will be $845 billion,$244 billion lower than in 2012 ($1.086 trillion).

By "cutting and pasting" the above - we thereby cause the facts incorporated to disappear.

Hey, it's easy on Right Wing Wacko planet to make problems go away.
Ka Boom

Blairsville, GA

#151 Feb 24, 2013
Floridian wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really
US statistics percentage of persons on government welfare
Georgia #29 of 54 states and provinces at 1.44 per capita
Florida #52 of 54 states and provinces at 0.669 per capita
Here are the actual statistics of the number of Floridiots on welfare versus Georgians...

Florida 87,632
Georgia 37,983

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25...

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#152 Feb 24, 2013
Truthis Blairsville wrote:
At the end of the day it's another day over
With enough in your pocket to last for a week
Pay the landlord, pay the shop
Keep on grafting as long as you're able
Keep on grafting till you drop
Or it's back to the crumbs off the table
You've got to pay your way
At the end of the day!
Les miz
Is that supposed to be a poem?
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#153 Feb 24, 2013
Ka Boom wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are the actual statistics of the number of Floridiots on welfare versus Georgians...
Florida 87,632
Georgia 37,983
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25...
Thats because you are a dumbass, you need to look at the PER CAPITA, now go look up that word because you obviously don't know what it means.
Ka Boom

Blairsville, GA

#154 Feb 24, 2013
Floridian wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats because you are a dumbass, you need to look at the PER CAPITA, now go look up that word because you obviously don't know what it means.
Nope, you're the DUMBASS... look at what I first posted... I said that there are more Floridiots on welfare than Georgians, which is 100% accurate.

Of course I know what PER CAPITA means. Naturally, there are twice as many Floridiots as there are Georgias...

But hey, you fell right for it... it's all in the spin, baby!!(By the way, maybe you need some anger management courses - I think Timmy offers those, but you have to bathe and cut off your tail first.)
Ka Boom

Blairsville, GA

#155 Feb 24, 2013
Here's another little statistical nugget for you:

Georgians rank #29 in terms of income, Floridiots rank #38

Georgia $47,590
Florida $44,736

So much for all these "rich" Floridiots...
uct

Blue Ridge, GA

#156 Feb 24, 2013
Let me guess Florida has 10 times as many retirees as Georgia, many of which are on fixed incomes

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#157 Feb 24, 2013
Floridiots are strange.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#158 Feb 24, 2013
Ka Boom wrote:
Here's another little statistical nugget for you:
Georgians rank #29 in terms of income, Floridiots rank #38
Georgia $47,590
Florida $44,736
So much for all these "rich" Floridiots...
Yeah either that or you could use Reliable data

12000 Florida 1 Personal income (thousands of dollars) 755,357,550
12000 Florida 2 Population (persons) 1/ 19,057,542
12000 Florida 3 Per capita personal income (dollars) 2/ 39,636
13000 Georgia 1 Personal income (thousands of dollars) 353,142,249
13000 Georgia 2 Population (persons) 1/ 9,815,210
13000 Georgia 3 Per capita personal income (dollars) 2/ 35,979
EatYourWords

United States

#159 Feb 24, 2013
Floridian wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah either that or you could use Reliable data
12000 Florida 1 Personal income (thousands of dollars) 755,357,550
12000 Florida 2 Population (persons) 1/ 19,057,542
12000 Florida 3 Per capita personal income (dollars) 2/ 39,636
13000 Georgia 1 Personal income (thousands of dollars) 353,142,249
13000 Georgia 2 Population (persons) 1/ 9,815,210
13000 Georgia 3 Per capita personal income (dollars) 2/ 35,979
Eat your words and get on with life.

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