Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#61 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you weren't around those eight years.

To those of us who paid attention -

Bush was the cowardly draft-dodging spoiled rich white boy that Wall Street and the oil companies made official president,
and
Cheney was the soulless Darth Vader tasked to keep Dufus in line, the de facto President.

Bush is obviously way to much of an incompetent buffoon to have so completely destroyed the average American to benefit the überrich.
Sorry. I missed where you contested the list of facts presented.

Typical.
chevy

Jefferson, GA

#62 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. I missed where you contested the list of facts presented.
Typical.
sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
And many who employ Americans would be happy to pay $2.25 an hour and enjoy the excesses profits.
We taxpayers can pick up the medical bills, housing costs, food costs, etc. for those who work at a wage that cannot support life in America.
Ah, the Fascists dream - privatize privity and externalizing costs.
We taxpayers already pickup those things for the millions on welfare now that dont work and wouldnt work.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#64 Feb 17, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical
Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012

Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc.

To find more historical information, visit The Public Debt Historical Information archives.

Date Dollar Amount:
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Facts as to National Debt.

Now, as time permits, I'll prove to you that Bush started wars in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, where our troops continue to fight and die.

Apparently on Fox Noise, we never went to war, so we rational folks will try to educate you all.

Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#65 Feb 17, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical
The number of American troops who have died fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan totaled 6,616 as of October 2012.

Somebody better tell the loves ones of our fallen troops that Bush didn't start these wars in the Middle East, that their family members weren't really KIA.

Chevy says on his planet, they does only in my opinion.

Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#66 Feb 17, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical
Somebody better tell these people too that they aren't really dead.

Chevy says they died only into imagination.

They'll be so happy !

At least 132,000 civilians have died from 10 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new study by Brown university. And that’s a conservative estimate.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#67 Feb 17, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical
Here's the facts about how the Bush tax cuts favored the rich and harmed the Middle Class:

By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: January 8, 2007
WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 — Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.

The study, by the NONPARTISAN CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners increased, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

Hey, somebody better notify the Congressional Budget Office that their study and report to Congress is just really my opinion.

Damn, I'm powerful. I can inject my opinion into the Congressional Budget Office economists.



Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#68 Feb 17, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical
Here are the facts about deregulation causing the destruction of the banking industry :

Time :
From the start, Bush embraced a governing philosophy of deregulation.

That trickled down to federal oversight agencies, which in turn eased off on banks and mortgage brokers.

When SEC head William Donaldson tried to boost regulation of mutual and hedge funds, he was blocked by Bush's advisers at the White House as well as other powerful Republicans,
and quit.

SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 2008

WaPo: Regulatory Failure at the Office of Thrift Supervision

OTS is responsible for regulating thrifts, also known as savings and loans, which focus on mortgage lending. As the banks under OTS supervision expanded high-risk lending, the agency failed to rein in their destructive excesses despite clear evidence of mounting problems, according to banking officials and a review of financial documents.

Instead, OTS adopted an aggressively deregulatory stance toward the mortgage lenders it regulated. It allowed the reserves the banks held as a buffer against losses to dwindle to a historic low.
...
The agency championed the thrift industry's growth during the housing boom and called programs that extended mortgages to previously unqualified borrowers as "innovations." In 2004, the year that risky loans called option adjustable-rate mortgages took off, then-OTS director James Gilleran lauded the banks for their role in providing home loans. "Our goal is to allow thrifts to operate with a wide breadth of freedom from regulatory intrusion," he said in a speech.

The OTS dragged their feet when new lending guidelines were proposed by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency:

Concerns about the product were first raised in late 2005 by another federal regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. The agency pushed other regulators to issue a joint proposal that lenders should make sure borrowers could afford their full monthly payments. "Too many consumers have been attracted to products by the seductive prospect of low minimum payments that delay the day of reckoning,"

OTS fought regulations designed to prevent the coming catastrophe cautioned that the government should not interfere with lending by thrifts "who have demonstrated that they have the know-how to manage these products through all kinds of economic cycles."

In 2005 - For two months now, federal banking regulators have signaled their discomfort about the explosive rise in risky mortgage loans.

Then they expressed worry about the surge in no-money-down mortgages, interest-only loans and "liar's loans" that require no proof of a borrower's income. But did nothing.

The impact so far? Almost nil.

... The regulators knew there was a lax lending problem in early 2005 (they were already late), and the continual foot dragging just made the inevitable crisis worse.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#69 Feb 17, 2013
chevy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry hot shot. those are your opinons. can you prove they are facts. no?

typical
Here are some facts demonstrating Bush, who ran away from serving on Vietnam, also ran away for paying for his lovely wars:

And this is back in 2008, the cost has doubled already.

The Bill for Bush's War on Terror
By Mark Thompson / Washington Friday, Dec. 26, 2008
Share

JOHN MOORE / GETTY

The news that President Bush's war on terrorism soon will have cost the U.S. taxpayers $1 trillion — and counting — is unlikely to spread much Christmas cheer in these tough economic times. A trio of recent reports shows adjusting for inflation, that's four times more than America spent fighting World War I, and more than 10 times the cost of 1991's Persian Gulf War (90% of which was paid for by U.S. allies).
The cost of sending a single soldier to fight for a year in Afghanistan or Iraq is about $775,000 — three times more than in other recent wars, says a new report from the private but authoritative Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA). A large chunk of the increase is a result of the Administration's cramming new military hardware into the emergency budget bills it has been using to pay for the wars.
But many Americans may suffer a moment of sticker shock from the conclusions of the CSBA report and similar assessments from the Government Accounting Office (GAO) and Congressional Research Service (CRS), which make clear that the nearly $1 trillion already spent is only a down payment on the war's long-term costs. The trillion-dollare figure does not, for example, include long-term health care for veterans, thousands of whom have suffered crippling wounds, or the interest payments on the money borrowed by the Federal Government to fund the war. The bottom lines of the three assessments vary: the CSBA study says $904 billion has been spent so far, while the GAO says the Pentagon alone has spent $808 billion through last September. The CRS study says the wars have cost $864 billion, but CRS didn't factor inflation into its calculations.

By 2018, depending on how many U.S. troops remain in Afghanistan and Iraq, the total cost is projected to likely be between $1.3 trillion and $1.7 trillion. On the safe assumption that the wars are being waged with borrowed money, interest payments raise the cost by an additional $600 billion through 2018.

Shortly before the Iraq war began, White House economic adviser Larry Lindsey earned a rebuke from within the Administration when he said the war could cost as much as $200 billion. "It's not knowable what a war or conflict like that would cost," Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld said. "You don't know if it's going to last two days or two weeks or two months. It certainly isn't going to last two years."

According to the CSBA study, the Administration has fudged the war's true costs in two ways.

"For these wars, we have relied on supplemental appropriations for far longer than in the case of past conflicts," says Steven Kosiak of the CSBA, one of Washington's top defense-budget analysts. "Likewise, we have relied on borrowing to cover more of these costs than we have in earlier wars — which will likely increase the ultimate price we have to pay." That refusal to spell out the full cost can lead to unwise spending increases elsewhere in the federal budget or unwarranted tax cuts. "A sound budgeting process forces policymakers to recognize the true costs of their policy choices," Kosiak adds. "Not only did we not raise taxes, we cut taxes and significantly expanded spending."

But hey, Chevy says the wars are free, that $2 Trillion dollar cost is only my opinion so we never have to pay for them. Great news !
Bored

Hooks, TX

#70 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are some facts demonstrating Bush, who ran away from serving on Vietnam, also ran away for paying for his lovely wars:
And this is back in 2008, the cost has doubled already.
The Bill for Bush's War on Terror
By Mark Thompson / Washington Friday, Dec. 26, 2008
Share
JOHN MOORE / GETTY
The news that President Bush's war on terrorism soon will have cost the U.S. taxpayers $1 trillion — and counting — is unlikely to spread much Christmas cheer in these tough economic times. A trio of recent reports shows adjusting for inflation, that's four times more than America spent fighting World War I, and more than 10 times the cost of 1991's Persian Gulf War (90% of which was paid for by U.S. allies).
The cost of sending a single soldier to fight for a year in Afghanistan or Iraq is about $775,000 — three times more than in other recent wars, says a new report from the private but authoritative Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA). A large chunk of the increase is a result of the Administration's cramming new military hardware into the emergency budget bills it has been using to pay for the wars.
But many Americans may suffer a moment of sticker shock from the conclusions of the CSBA report and similar assessments from the Government Accounting Office (GAO) and Congressional Research Service (CRS), which make clear that the nearly $1 trillion already spent is only a down payment on the war's long-term costs. The trillion-dollare figure does not, for example, include long-term health care for veterans, thousands of whom have suffered crippling wounds, or the interest payments on the money borrowed by the Federal Government to fund the war. The bottom lines of the three assessments vary: the CSBA study says $904 billion has been spent so far, while the GAO says the Pentagon alone has spent $808 billion through last September. The CRS study says the wars have cost $864 billion, but CRS didn't factor inflation into its calculations.
By 2018, depending on how many U.S. troops remain in Afghanistan and Iraq, the total cost is projected to likely be between $1.3 trillion and $1.7 trillion. On the safe assumption that the wars are being waged with borrowed money, interest payments raise the cost by an additional $600 billion through 2018.
Shortly before the Iraq war began, White House economic adviser Larry Lindsey earned a rebuke from within the Administration when he said the war could cost as much as $200 billion. "It's not knowable what a war or conflict like that would cost," Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld said. "You don't know if it's going to last two days or two weeks or two months. It certainly isn't going to last two years."
According to the CSBA study, the Administration has fudged the war's true costs in two ways.
"For these wars, we have relied on supplemental appropriations for far longer than in the case of past conflicts," says Steven Kosiak of the CSBA, one of Washington's top defense-budget analysts. "Likewise, we have relied on borrowing to cover more of these costs than we have in earlier wars — which will likely increase the ultimate price we have to pay." That refusal to spell out the full cost can lead to unwise spending increases elsewhere in the federal budget or unwarranted tax cuts. "A sound budgeting process forces policymakers to recognize the true costs of their policy choices," Kosiak adds. "Not only did we not raise taxes, we cut taxes and significantly expanded spending."
But hey, Chevy says the wars are free, that $2 Trillion dollar cost is only my opinion so we never have to pay for them. Great news !
BORING.
Bored

Hooks, TX

#71 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are some facts demonstrating Bush, who ran away from serving on Vietnam, also ran away for paying for his lovely wars:
And this is back in 2008, the cost has doubled already.
The Bill for Bush's War on Terror
By Mark Thompson / Washington Friday, Dec. 26, 2008
Share
JOHN MOORE / GETTY
The news that President Bush's war on terrorism soon will have cost the U.S. taxpayers $1 trillion — and counting — is unlikely to spread much Christmas cheer in these tough economic times. A trio of recent reports shows adjusting for inflation, that's four times more than America spent fighting World War I, and more than 10 times the cost of 1991's Persian Gulf War (90% of which was paid for by U.S. allies).
The cost of sending a single soldier to fight for a year in Afghanistan or Iraq is about $775,000 — three times more than in other recent wars, says a new report from the private but authoritative Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA). A large chunk of the increase is a result of the Administration's cramming new military hardware into the emergency budget bills it has been using to pay for the wars.
But many Americans may suffer a moment of sticker shock from the conclusions of the CSBA report and similar assessments from the Government Accounting Office (GAO) and Congressional Research Service (CRS), which make clear that the nearly $1 trillion already spent is only a down payment on the war's long-term costs. The trillion-dollare figure does not, for example, include long-term health care for veterans, thousands of whom have suffered crippling wounds, or the interest payments on the money borrowed by the Federal Government to fund the war. The bottom lines of the three assessments vary: the CSBA study says $904 billion has been spent so far, while the GAO says the Pentagon alone has spent $808 billion through last September. The CRS study says the wars have cost $864 billion, but CRS didn't factor inflation into its calculations.
By 2018, depending on how many U.S. troops remain in Afghanistan and Iraq, the total cost is projected to likely be between $1.3 trillion and $1.7 trillion. On the safe assumption that the wars are being waged with borrowed money, interest payments raise the cost by an additional $600 billion through 2018.
Shortly before the Iraq war began, White House economic adviser Larry Lindsey earned a rebuke from within the Administration when he said the war could cost as much as $200 billion. "It's not knowable what a war or conflict like that would cost," Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld said. "You don't know if it's going to last two days or two weeks or two months. It certainly isn't going to last two years."
According to the CSBA study, the Administration has fudged the war's true costs in two ways.
"For these wars, we have relied on supplemental appropriations for far longer than in the case of past conflicts," says Steven Kosiak of the CSBA, one of Washington's top defense-budget analysts. "Likewise, we have relied on borrowing to cover more of these costs than we have in earlier wars — which will likely increase the ultimate price we have to pay." That refusal to spell out the full cost can lead to unwise spending increases elsewhere in the federal budget or unwarranted tax cuts. "A sound budgeting process forces policymakers to recognize the true costs of their policy choices," Kosiak adds. "Not only did we not raise taxes, we cut taxes and significantly expanded spending."
But hey, Chevy says the wars are free, that $2 Trillion dollar cost is only my opinion so we never have to pay for them. Great news !
Boring-blow a gasket.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#72 Feb 17, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>BORING.
I know,
Right Wingers "demand" facts,
but,
when provided the facts,
they just don't have the attention span to read and consider them.

I understand, my children had the same problem, but then they reached puberty.

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#73 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I know,
Right Wingers "demand" facts,
but,
when provided the facts,
they just don't have the attention span to read and consider them.
I understand, my children had the same problem, but then they reached puberty.
Majority of the vietnam war was during the terms of democrat presidents. If you want to start pointing fingers.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#74 Feb 17, 2013
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Majority of the vietnam war was during the terms of democrat presidents. If you want to start pointing fingers.
Agreed.

And the point is ?

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#75 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
And the point is ?
If it had been a dem president around 9-11 we probaly would still have been in afganistan.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#76 Feb 17, 2013
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>If it had been a dem president around 9-11 we probaly would still have been in afganistan.
If he was a useless war hypocritical, war mongering, cowardly, draft dodger, with a ring through his nose pulled by Cheney and his ilk.

Thanks Goodness the Monte Cristo Churchills were in stock, or I might have been in a bad mood and been too blunt.
lmao

Murphy, NC

#77 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
If he was a useless war hypocritical, war mongering, cowardly, draft dodger, with a ring through his nose pulled by Cheney and his ilk.
Thanks Goodness the Monte Cristo Churchills were in stock, or I might have been in a bad mood and been too blunt.
Do not fergit Biden and even gasp even dubious war hero John Kerry got FOUR deferments b4 being turned down for his fifth a Paris study. I remaim lmao
Yep

Cleveland, GA

#78 Feb 17, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>All 7.25 does is prolong the agony. If you are in danger of losing your house etc. all a minimum wage job does is move it down the road a few months at best. With gas prices so high now you would be lucky to even break even if you had to drive very far to a job that paid minimum wage. It is a very depressing time for a lot of people now.
Agreed, I'm just saying that for those who want to work, and may be fortunate enough to have even a minimum wage job, something is better than nothing. Which many times is what happens with government mandates which brings the argument back full cycle.
Yep

Cleveland, GA

#79 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
And many who employ Americans would be happy to pay $2.25 an hour and enjoy the excesses profits.
We taxpayers can pick up the medical bills, housing costs, food costs, etc. for those who work at a wage that cannot support life in America.
Ah, the Fascists dream - privatize privity and externalizing costs.
As usual you are wrong.

But sometimes, particularly on a pleasant Sunday evening, I just dont feel like wasting my time arguing with liberal extremist.
Yep

Cleveland, GA

#80 Feb 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you weren't around those eight years.
To those of us who paid attention -
Bush was the cowardly draft-dodging spoiled rich white boy that Wall Street and the oil companies made official president,
and
Cheney was the soulless Darth Vader tasked to keep Dufus in line, the de facto President.
Bush is obviously way to much of an incompetent buffoon to have so completely destroyed the average American to benefit the überrich.
Wrong again, I was around, and paying attention oh confused one.

Do I dare ask why so much anger and racism? Oh pardon me; are you still claiming to be a moderate republican?

Well never mind that, have you been around for the past four (4) years, have you heard that Obama has increased the deficit more within his term of office than all the former Presidents put together? Any idea what the deficit is?

Speaking of incompetence, buffoonery, destruction of America? You will find the definition under Barack Hussein Obama!

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