froggy

Hoschton, GA

#21 Feb 13, 2013
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, but you’re wasting your time trying to explain things to a liberal; they just don’t seem to have the capacity to understand such simple premises.
You and I understand that real jobs are with private business, which provides most jobs. They actually produce something have a bottom line and have to make a reasonable profit, so as to sell, and market their products, and pay employees and benefits.
One of two things happens when the cost of those things for the business goes up. The cost of the products have to go up accordingly, OR COSTS MUST BE REDUCED.
LISTEN CAREFULLY liberals/progressives; If government mandates employee’s salaries, one of several things happen (independently or collectively): Hiring of new employees STOPS, current employees are laid off, hours are reduced (full timers become part timers), BENEFITS ARE REDUCED.
Jobs are lost!! Those on the lower end of the scale, you say you are trying to help, you are hurting the most. So now you put them or keep them on the government dole.
What part of this is so difficult to understand? Or is it just in reality a smoke screen for your redistribution scheme?
F*ck you, fuehrer. When poor people have more money they got to spend it on rent, food, & other stuff. The rich the bank it and bank it some more.
Yep

Canton, GA

#22 Feb 13, 2013
Yep, not only are you "smart" you're rather vulgar and quite nasty as well.

Try to jump out of the gutter, and pretend to be civil and emulate intellect.

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#23 Feb 13, 2013
Truthis Blairsville wrote:
Raising minimum wage would inject needed money into the economy thereby increasing jobs.
It would probaly decrease jobs by placing more strain on small businesses that can barely mwke payroll. Either more layoffs or businesses closing down.
Goofy

Blairsville, GA

#24 Feb 13, 2013
Yep wrote:
Yep, not only are you "smart" you're rather vulgar and quite nasty as well.
Try to jump out of the gutter, and pretend to be civil and emulate intellect.
I'd rather hear vulgarity than arrogance.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#25 Feb 13, 2013
Apple earned a massive profit of $419,528 per employee in the past 12 months.

Gotta love the facts:

Why "efficiency" and "productivity" really mean more profits for corporations and less sanity for you.
By Dave Gilson

In the past 20 years, the US economy has grown nearly 60 percent. This huge increase in productivity is partly due to automation, the internet, and other improvements in efficiency. But it's also the result of Americans working harder—often without a big boost to their bottom lines.

Oh, and meanwhile, corporate profits are up 20 percent.

Productivity has surged, but income and wages have stagnated for most Americans.

If the median household income had kept pace with the economy since 1970, it would now be nearly $92,000, not $50,000.
froggy

Hoschton, GA

#26 Feb 13, 2013
Yep wrote:
Yep, not only are you "smart" you're rather vulgar and quite nasty as well.
Try to jump out of the gutter, and pretend to be civil and emulate intellect.
We is all learnin nasty from you, sport. You are pickin on folks that have been on here a long time. Us old timers don't appreciate your attitude.
Curious

Ellijay, GA

#27 Feb 13, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea what the profit or loss picture is at that facility.
All I can say is that Agriculture is not high profit, is high risk, and the wage rules were established along time ago.
That doesn't mean they should never be looked at or modified. Plus most agriculture business always get a helping hand from Uncle Sam. I know of farmers that have gotten paid by the government to NOT plant their fields. Yes their are risk, but they aren't as bad as most would want you to believe.
Curious

Ellijay, GA

#28 Feb 13, 2013
Floridian wrote:
<quoted text>
Can't speak for up there but around here $8.00 an hour is a living wage because 7 people all live in the same house and all go to work together and all pay for the bills together. Not picking fruit either, they mostly work in the hospitality business, hotels, lawn maintenance, construction etc.
Similar situation up here.
MyPay

Dawsonville, GA

#29 Feb 13, 2013
Here's a couple of links on min. pay by State.

These workers get a pay raise.
http://jobsearch.about.com/b/2013/01/01/minim...

These workers don't.
http://jobsearch.about.com/od/minimumwage/a/m...

Any pay raise results in higher cost to consumers, fact of life. Get over it.
Curious

Ellijay, GA

#30 Feb 13, 2013
MyPay wrote:
Here's a couple of links on min. pay by State.
These workers get a pay raise.
http://jobsearch.about.com/b/2013/01/01/minim...
These workers don't.
http://jobsearch.about.com/od/minimumwage/a/m...
Any pay raise results in higher cost to consumers, fact of life. Get over it.
Well maybe the business owners will drop the price of their products so we can afford them... yeah like that will happen. Inflation may very well reset the price of most products and services in the very near future.

Since: Aug 10

Hoschton, GA

#31 Feb 13, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>That doesn't mean they should never be looked at or modified. Plus most agriculture business always get a helping hand from Uncle Sam. I know of farmers that have gotten paid by the government to NOT plant their fields. Yes their are risk, but they aren't as bad as most would want you to believe.
Actually Mom & Pop farms are becoming rare. More and more farms are giant agri-corporations raking in tax breaks and mucho corporate welfare. Monsanto being an example.
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#32 Feb 13, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
That doesn't mean they should never be looked at or modified. Plus most agriculture business always get a helping hand from Uncle Sam. I know of farmers that have gotten paid by the government to NOT plant their fields. Yes their are risk, but they aren't as bad as most would want you to believe.
You'll get no argument from me on that, Agriculture carries a lot of weight and any advantages provided by law will not change by themselves. Keep in mind, the Prime Directive of Business is to make a Profit, being an enlightened corporate citizen is secondary.
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#33 Feb 13, 2013
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
That which provides compensation for unlimited hours each day, week and month away from your children, family, friends and loved ones to do those things that others can’t or won’t do to provide needed and wanted services, products, or benefits for themselves or others; and while doing so providing jobs for those who otherwise would be unemployed, and the opportunity for some who believe, as you, that it falls upon us to work, grow, and provide others with that same desire to invest in that endeavor(business) and contribute financially according to their blessing, so as to be able to take care of themselves when they are no longer physically able to work, as well as contributing to the growth of a business providing good and decent jobs at a fair wage for those who wish to work with the same ideals.

Whatever it takes to accomplish this, through private enterprise and small businesses within our Nation, without governmental interference, domination, or the effort to “redistribute the wealth” by taking from those who work in order to give to those who won’t, is what I consider a reasonable profit.
Ahhh yes,
the Makers and the Takers,
another falsehood
rightfully rejected by the voters.

It's that 47% that's draggin' us all down,
those lay-abouts who don't pay no taxes,
those working poor,
the unfortunate,
the old,
the sick,
those obviously not blessed.
They have chosen their lot.

It is they who are the problem,
the coddoled,
and pampered,
and bribed.
No wonder there's so many folks
seeking help
during a prolonged Recession.

If only an unregulated free market
were allowed to flourish,
free of intereference
free of profit reducing considrations
for safe working conditions,
child labor protections,
and environmental regulations.

Don't you know,
it's business that gives us meaning
and through it flow our many blessings.
Yep

Dawsonville, GA

#34 Feb 14, 2013
froggy wrote:
<quoted text>We is all learnin nasty from you, sport. You are pickin on folks that have been on here a long time. Us old timers don't appreciate your attitude.
Not so. By picking on, you must mean confronting stupidity? Your name froggy hasn’t been around long enough to be considered an old timer, so who were you before, not that it matters. So if we were to play the pointless game of who was here first and under what name and who has been naughty and who has been nice go ahead because neither froggy or Yep have been here that long, but that doesn’t mean we haven’t both been here before. So go ahead fess up. Or man up and learn to take it in a much lesser extent what you seem to enjoy dishing out.

By the way longevity doesn’t automatically grant privilege, superiority, or particularly in your case intellect, nor even cleverness I might add.

No just simply a nasty mouth jerk complaining about the attitude of those willing and able to challenge him.
HearHear

Dawsonville, GA

#35 Feb 14, 2013
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so. By picking on, you must mean confronting stupidity? Your name froggy hasn’t been around long enough to be considered an old timer, so who were you before, not that it matters. So if we were to play the pointless game of who was here first and under what name and who has been naughty and who has been nice go ahead because neither froggy or Yep have been here that long, but that doesn’t mean we haven’t both been here before. So go ahead fess up. Or man up and learn to take it in a much lesser extent what you seem to enjoy dishing out.
By the way longevity doesn’t automatically grant privilege, superiority, or particularly in your case intellect, nor even cleverness I might add.
No just simply a nasty mouth jerk complaining about the attitude of those willing and able to challenge him.

Hear-Hear!
froggy

Hoschton, GA

#36 Feb 14, 2013
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so. By picking on, you must mean confronting stupidity? Your name froggy hasn’t been around long enough to be considered an old timer, so who were you before, not that it matters. So if we were to play the pointless game of who was here first and under what name and who has been naughty and who has been nice go ahead because neither froggy or Yep have been here that long, but that doesn’t mean we haven’t both been here before. So go ahead fess up. Or man up and learn to take it in a much lesser extent what you seem to enjoy dishing out.
By the way longevity doesn’t automatically grant privilege, superiority, or particularly in your case intellect, nor even cleverness I might add.
No just simply a nasty mouth jerk complaining about the attitude of those willing and able to challenge him.
Then when you dish it our quit whinin, baby when yous gets it back.
froggy

Hoschton, GA

#37 Feb 14, 2013
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so. By picking on, you must mean confronting stupidity? Your name froggy hasn’t been around long enough to be considered an old timer, so who were you before, not that it matters. So if we were to play the pointless game of who was here first and under what name and who has been naughty and who has been nice go ahead because neither froggy or Yep have been here that long, but that doesn’t mean we haven’t both been here before. So go ahead fess up. Or man up and learn to take it in a much lesser extent what you seem to enjoy dishing out.
By the way longevity doesn’t automatically grant privilege, superiority, or particularly in your case intellect, nor even cleverness I might add.
No just simply a nasty mouth jerk complaining about the attitude of those willing and able to challenge him.
Youse postin under at least 2 names...how many more?
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#38 Feb 14, 2013
Truthis Blairsville wrote:
<quoted text>Actually Mom & Pop farms are becoming rare. More and more farms are giant agri-corporations raking in tax breaks and mucho corporate welfare. Monsanto being an example.
Great post.

Most "farms" are about 5.000 to 8,000 acres and they are leased to local farmers in approximately hundred acre blocks. Land runs about $10K an acre. That means just the local operations for these multinational corporations are $50,000,000.00 to $80,000,000.00 operations.

"Mom & Pop" farms don't exist - not at $10K an acre. "Mom and Pop" have cashed out and made a fortune.
Trolling Along

Blairsville, GA

#39 Feb 14, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
Most "farms" are about 5.000 to 8,000 acres and they are leased to local farmers in approximately hundred acre blocks. Land runs about $10K an acre. That means just the local operations for these multinational corporations are $50,000,000.00 to $80,000,000.00 operations.
"Mom & Pop" farms don't exist - not at $10K an acre. "Mom and Pop" have cashed out and made a fortune.
OK, now you're not making so much sense. That's not really an accurate view for many farmers.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#40 Feb 14, 2013
Trolling Along wrote:
<quoted text>OK, now you're not making so much sense. That's not really an accurate view for many farmers.
Agreed.

There are hundreds of thousands of people who farm, or who own, or till land from 50 acres to 500 acres.
Because of taxpayer subsidies a/k/a welfare, these "operations" make money.

This is where the federal welfare flows in Georgia:

Georgia ranking: 16 of 50 States
70 percent of farms in Georgia did not collect subsidy payments - according to USDA.
Ten percent collected 82 percent of all subsidies.
Amounting to $4.44 billion over 17 years.
Top 10%:$34,680 average per year between 1995 and 2011.
Bottom 80%:$465 average per year between 1995 and 2011.

This is where the federal welfare flows in Texas - where they don't want all that welfare :

Texas Summary Information
2011
$25.9 billion in subsidies 1995-2011.
$15.3 billion in commodity subsidies.
$4.36 billion in crop insurance subsidies.
$2.91 billion in conservation subsidies.
$3.34 billion in disaster subsidies.
Texas ranking: 1 of 50 States
81 percent of farms in Texas did not collect subsidy payments - according to USDA.
Ten percent collected 78 percent of all subsidies.
Amounting to $16.7 billion over 17 years.
Top 10%:$41,496 average per year between 1995 and 2011.
Bottom 80%:$657 average per year between 1995 and 2011.

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