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Should it be higher?
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No! Keeep'em poor and in their place or they might get to thinking they are equal to us.

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Raising minimum wage would inject needed money into the economy thereby increasing jobs.
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Truthis Blairsville wrote:
Raising minimum wage would inject needed money into the economy thereby increasing jobs.
That Sounds reasonable but in the real world it doesn't work like that. That extra money had to come from Somewhere and an employer must get it through increased employee production or decreased production/capital costs. Large companies are NOT going to reduce their management cost (decrease positions, bonuses, pensions etc.) that’s just the way it is. So if the employees don't increase production then it will come from reduced expansion, capital improvements, maintenance, which will all decrease jobs. The only real increase in jobs comes from increased demand for end product. This country is built on a never ending need for expansion in every aspect of the economy which must eventually lead to a major crash, the raw materials; water, land, minerals is finite and intellectual advancement of jobs will not sustain this large of an economy.
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Floridian wrote:
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That Sounds reasonable but in the real world it doesn't work like that. That extra money had to come from Somewhere and an employer must get it through increased employee production or decreased production/capital costs. Large companies are NOT going to reduce their management cost (decrease positions, bonuses, pensions etc.) that’s just the way it is. So if the employees don't increase production then it will come from reduced expansion, capital improvements, maintenance, which will all decrease jobs. The only real increase in jobs comes from increased demand for end product. This country is built on a never ending need for expansion in every aspect of the economy which must eventually lead to a major crash, the raw materials; water, land, minerals is finite and intellectual advancement of jobs will not sustain this large of an economy.
Most large companies pay better than minimum wage. Most places that pay minimum wage are in rural areas of the country. There is a large scale nursery operation in Blairsville that pays minimum wage and no overtime. However, their main operations are in Florida . Some how I don't see them paying minimum wage there, but I could be wrong.
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That Sounds reasonable but in the real world it doesn't work like that. That extra money had to come from Somewhere and an employer must get it through increased employee production or decreased production/capital costs. Large companies are NOT going to reduce their management cost (decrease positions, bonuses, pensions etc.) that’s just the way it is. So if the employees don't increase production then it will come from reduced expansion, capital improvements, maintenance, which will all decrease jobs. The only real increase in jobs comes from increased demand for end product. This country is built on a never ending need for expansion in every aspect of the economy which must eventually lead to a major crash, the raw materials; water, land, minerals is finite and intellectual advancement of jobs will not sustain this large of an economy.
Yep, but you’re wasting your time trying to explain things to a liberal; they just don’t seem to have the capacity to understand such simple premises.

You and I understand that real jobs are with private business, which provides most jobs. They actually produce something have a bottom line and have to make a reasonable profit, so as to sell, and market their products, and pay employees and benefits.

One of two things happens when the cost of those things for the business goes up. The cost of the products have to go up accordingly, OR COSTS MUST BE REDUCED.

LISTEN CAREFULLY liberals/progressives; If government mandates employee’s salaries, one of several things happen (independently or collectively): Hiring of new employees STOPS, current employees are laid off, hours are reduced (full timers become part timers), BENEFITS ARE REDUCED.

Jobs are lost!! Those on the lower end of the scale, you say you are trying to help, you are hurting the most. So now you put them or keep them on the government dole.

What part of this is so difficult to understand? Or is it just in reality a smoke screen for your redistribution scheme?
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If you are running a business, what do you consider a reasonable profit margin?
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Floridian wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
That Sounds reasonable but in the real world it doesn't work like that. That extra money had to come from Somewhere and an employer must get it through increased employee production or decreased production/capital costs. Large companies are NOT going to reduce their management cost (decrease positions, bonuses, pensions etc.) that’s just the way it is. So if the employees don't increase production then it will come from reduced expansion, capital improvements, maintenance, which will all decrease jobs. The only real increase in jobs comes from increased demand for end product. This country is built on a never ending need for expansion in every aspect of the economy which must eventually lead to a major crash, the raw materials; water, land, minerals is finite and intellectual advancement of jobs will not sustain this large of an economy.
Sounds like an arguement for more birth control.

The pie is finite,
but more mouths keep showing up.

I wonder which side of the equation can be acted upon.
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"Large companies are NOT going to reduce their management cost (decrease positions, bonuses, pensions etc.) that’s just the way it is."

Unfortunatley, gains in productivity have not been passed on to the workers in the form of increased wages, but they have been passed along to upper management and shareholders.

I guess it's just a case of those who can consume and those who cannot.
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Curious wrote:
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Most large companies pay better than minimum wage. Most places that pay minimum wage are in rural areas of the country. There is a large scale nursery operation in Blairsville that pays minimum wage and no overtime. However, their main operations are in Florida . Some how I don't see them paying minimum wage there, but I could be wrong.
In that particular case they are operating under wage rules established for Argriculture, very different than most business.
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Modern expenses: with technology advancements including cable, cell phones,internet and so on. What will be the tipping point when the average consumer can't afford these items? Not to mention now days there are numerous insurances that we are required to have. All these cost did not exist a generation or two ago. Now days if you are making less than 10/hour you are struggling just to put food on the table and a roof over your head. Either the cost of these service will eventually go down, or the companies will go out of business. I certainly don't see liveable wages anytime in the near future.
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In that particular case they are operating under wage rules established for Argriculture, very different than most business.
Yes. But in this modern society you would think that if you worked more than 40 hours, you would get overtime pay.I bet the owner makes a very nice profit......
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Oh my wrote:
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In that particular case they are operating under wage rules established for Argriculture, very different than most business.
Yes, now that you think about almost like slave labor....but not quite.
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Curious wrote:
Modern expenses: with technology advancements including cable, cell phones,internet and so on. What will be the tipping point when the average consumer can't afford these items? Not to mention now days there are numerous insurances that we are required to have. All these cost did not exist a generation or two ago. Now days if you are making less than 10/hour you are struggling just to put food on the table and a roof over your head. Either the cost of these service will eventually go down, or the companies will go out of business. I certainly don't see liveable wages anytime in the near future.
People would rather starve than get rid of their cell phones. Dumb people.
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An Increased Minimum Wage Is Good Policy Even During Hard Times
Recent Studies Point to Higher Pay but No Job Losses
By T. William Lester, David Madland, and Nick Bunker | June 7, 2011
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/...

...We reviewed academic research that examines the effects of minimum wage increases during a recession or stretch of time with high unemployment and found significant evidence that even during hard economic times, raising the minimum wage is likely to have no adverse effect on employment.

Two key articles released in the past year provide definitive evidence on the overall effects of the minimum wage on wages and employment. Additionally, they provide compelling evidence about the impact of raising the minimum wage during hard economic times.

The first study, published in November 2010 in the Review of Economics and Statistics by Arindrajit Dube of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst; T. William Lester of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill; and Michael Reich of the University of California, Berkeley, compared all of the adjacent counties that touch a state border where there is a difference in the mandated minimum wage in each state. Overall, the authors found that minimum wage increases raise wages for low-wage workers but do not reduce employment.

...The second recent study, published in April in Industrial Relations by Sylvia A. Allegretto of the University of California, Berkeley; Arindrajit Dube; and Michael Reich, focused on state-level data. The authors replicated the models of researchers whose studies of teen employment found that increases in the minimum wage create job losses and are often cited by minimum wage opponents.(Teen employment is often viewed by minimum wage scholars as an indicator of the impact on the lowest-skilled workers.)

Again, however, when the authors added appropriate variables to control for regional differences—variables that previous researchers had omitted—they found that minimum wage increases do not reduce teen employment levels.

...In short, the academic research suggests that even during hard economic times, raising the minimum wage doesn’t reduce employment.

Why is this the case? Studies generally find that policies that increase the compensation of low-wage workers significantly reduce turnover, boost worker effort, encourage employers to invest in training for their workers, and can increase demand for goods and services—all of which help balance out any potential negative effects.
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Curious wrote:
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Yes. But in this modern society you would think that if you worked more than 40 hours, you would get overtime pay.I bet the owner makes a very nice profit......
I have no idea what the profit or loss picture is at that facility.

All I can say is that Agriculture is not high profit, is high risk, and the wage rules were established along time ago.
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Curious wrote:
If you are running a business, what do you consider a reasonable profit margin?
That which provides compensation for unlimited hours each day, week and month away from your children, family, friends and loved ones to do those things that others can’t or won’t do to provide needed and wanted services, products, or benefits for themselves or others; and while doing so providing jobs for those who otherwise would be unemployed, and the opportunity for some who believe, as you, that it falls upon us to work, grow, and provide others with that same desire to invest in that endeavor(business) and contribute financially according to their blessing, so as to be able to take care of themselves when they are no longer physically able to work, as well as contributing to the growth of a business providing good and decent jobs at a fair wage for those who wish to work with the same ideals.

Whatever it takes to accomplish this, through private enterprise and small businesses within our Nation, without governmental interference, domination, or the effort to “redistribute the wealth” by taking from those who work in order to give to those who won’t, is what I consider a reasonable profit.
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The proposal is $8.00 an hour.
The price of most things have doubled in the past few years. I can't see how $8 an hour would be considered a living wage. All it does is help people who are hit the hardest by the increase in groceries, utilities, and other necessities.

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Curious wrote:
Modern expenses: with technology advancements including cable, cell phones,internet and so on. What will be the tipping point when the average consumer can't afford these items? Not to mention now days there are numerous insurances that we are required to have. All these cost did not exist a generation or two ago. Now days if you are making less than 10/hour you are struggling just to put food on the table and a roof over your head. Either the cost of these service will eventually go down, or the companies will go out of business. I certainly don't see liveable wages anytime in the near future.
Many of us who make more than minimum wage have cut back on the items you mentioned. I no longer have a cell phone and have cut back cable service. In fact, I'm thinking of eliminating it all together. I don't watch enough TV to pay the high cost of cable.
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UC Voter wrote:
The proposal is $8.00 an hour.
The price of most things have doubled in the past few years. I can't see how $8 an hour would be considered a living wage. All it does is help people who are hit the hardest by the increase in groceries, utilities, and other necessities.
Can't speak for up there but around here $8.00 an hour is a living wage because 7 people all live in the same house and all go to work together and all pay for the bills together. Not picking fruit either, they mostly work in the hospitality business, hotels, lawn maintenance, construction etc.
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No, the President proposed a $9+ per hour amount. Anyhow, that was in the speech I listened to.

But his lips were movin, so he was probably lying.

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