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It aint real

Atlanta, GA

#1 Nov 23, 2013
I was able to find a bible in my favorite bookstore when it was found exactly where is should have been. That's in the fiction section. Always good for a laugh when I'm bored.
Just a thought

Dahlonega, GA

#2 Nov 23, 2013
It aint real wrote:
I was able to find a bible in my favorite bookstore when it was found exactly where is should have been. That's in the fiction section. Always good for a laugh when I'm bored.
Bless your miserable soul.
It aint real

Atlanta, GA

#4 Nov 23, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
<quoted text>Bless your miserable soul.
On the contrary, I bet I'm much more content than you. I'm sure of my fate, while you just have faith. Surety or faith. Hmm.
Also, I don't send my life thinking I have to pray. Instead, I make things happen on my own. I also don't pass judgement, as you did with your post.

“Our Cause Isn't Lost”

Since: Jan 11

Blairsville, GA

#5 Nov 23, 2013
It aint real wrote:
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On the contrary, I bet I'm much more content than you. I'm sure of my fate, while you just have faith. Surety or faith. Hmm.
Also, I don't send my life thinking I have to pray. Instead, I make things happen on my own. I also don't pass judgement, as you did with your post.
I think most of us are pretty certain of our ultimate fate here upon earth. We know we are going to die sooner or later. I guess the difference is one’s beliefs in God, or not, in an afterlife, or not. And, each of us does have the freewill to make our choices (in this Nation) upon that, while we live, but then upon our death, and only then will we reap our final consequence and fate.

At the time of death for those appearing to believe as you, they will never have another thought, period, that is if you were correct, once you actual go to your grave you will never know another thing according to your declarations.

On the other hand, after death for those of us who chose to believe, by faith, and accept the Salvation offered through Jesus Christ, our being correct shall indeed give us knowledge of our fate and the consequences of our beliefs, worship, and prayers. Unfortunately, you will then also, but to late, know and be aware of yours as well.

If you are content with only the peace and comfort you may find in this world, so be it, the beliefs of others shouldn’t impose upon that, as you find your grave.

Nevertheless, for me, and I would think other Christians, the peace and comfort we find here is minuscule compared to what we seek beyond the grave.

Nonetheless, what is the need to be malicious to one another?
Al A Baster

Toccoa, GA

#6 Nov 23, 2013
How do you know your are right about this thing you call faith-religion?

What you describe as faith is religion without vision.

What if I told you getting you to vote Republican really wasn't his mission?

What if I told you that religious rules doesn't automatically mean Christian?

What if I told you we all judge?

We all have faith in something; our selves; the religion of human beings.

What if I told you that you don't have to pray?

What if I told you it is OK to make things happen on your own?

What if I told you god is not a cosmic santa clause?

What if I told you we all fall short of standards that we set?

What if I told you that faith is the unconditonal love and acceptance of us even if we don't pray, don't read the Bible, and don't obey a thousand rules?

What if I told you that following Christ is so much better than trying harder, doing more, and being good enough?

You say you are more content because of your vision.

That is why I follow Christ instead of churchanity's religion.

What if I told you it is OK to shed the mask of religion

and show our true-face?

What if I told you that is the good news of Grace?
Ted

Maysville, GA

#7 Nov 24, 2013
It aint real wrote:
I was able to find a bible in my favorite bookstore when it was found exactly where is should have been. That's in the fiction section. Always good for a laugh when I'm bored.
Here's what science says: Billions of years ago, from nothing, a big explosion happened, then there WAS something. Wow! Then there were planets and stars, etc. Earth was there. Remember all this came from nothing. Then somehow by accident there was just the right amount of DNA and Billions of molecules lined up in perfect order and formed a perfect living system, by accident. Some of them are even saying, since this is so preposterous, that life had to come from a comet, wow. Science cannot prove God exists but it can't prove he does not either. In my opinion, believing that science theory is correct takes a lot of faith. Wow faith, what a dumb idea.
Happy Days

Dawsonville, GA

#8 Nov 24, 2013
Ted wrote:
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Here's what science says: Billions of years ago, from nothing, a big explosion happened, then there WAS something. Wow! Then there were planets and stars, etc. Earth was there. Remember all this came from nothing. Then somehow by accident there was just the right amount of DNA and Billions of molecules lined up in perfect order and formed a perfect living system, by accident. Some of them are even saying, since this is so preposterous, that life had to come from a comet, wow. Science cannot prove God exists but it can't prove he does not either. In my opinion, believing that science theory is correct takes a lot of faith. Wow faith, what a dumb idea.
Sometimes even a blind squirrel a nut in the woods.
Teacher

Alto, GA

#9 Nov 24, 2013
Ted wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's what science says: Billions of years ago, from nothing, a big explosion happened, then there WAS something. Wow! Then there were planets and stars, etc. Earth was there. Remember all this came from nothing. Then somehow by accident there was just the right amount of DNA and Billions of molecules lined up in perfect order and formed a perfect living system, by accident. Some of them are even saying, since this is so preposterous, that life had to come from a comet, wow. Science cannot prove God exists but it can't prove he does not either. In my opinion, believing that science theory is correct takes a lot of faith. Wow faith, what a dumb idea.
Science explains the "how". Religion explains the "why".
Just Mike

Nicholson, GA

#10 Nov 24, 2013
Ted wrote:
<quoted text>Here's what science says: Billions of years ago, from nothing, a big explosion happened, then there WAS something. Wow! Then there were planets and stars, etc. Earth was there. Remember all this came from nothing. Then somehow by accident there was just the right amount of DNA and Billions of molecules lined up in perfect order and formed a perfect living system, by accident. Some of them are even saying, since this is so preposterous, that life had to come from a comet, wow. Science cannot prove God exists but it can't prove he does not either. In my opinion, believing that science theory is correct takes a lot of faith. Wow faith, what a dumb idea.
From your comments, it is clear that you can't wrap your mind around the concept of "infinite". The right amount of DNA and molecules and environment, etc isn't an "accident"... it was ALWAYS a possibility, albeit as you say with a low probability. Here is the rub... in an infinite amount of time, it is very likely that EVERY possibility will ultimately occur.

My theory above is very difficult to "prove" given our short existence as alive, but it has been done mathematically and IS logical. Your "faith", to me, seems like taking the path of least resistance... just accept a non-scientific, most simplistic story that can never ever be proved since it is based on magic.

Finally, your belief gives you a "comfort" regarding death... heaven, etc. My feeling is that I "die" every night- we call it SLEEP. The only difference in death is that I don't wake up or ever resume consciousness. In non-dream deep sleep, are you "aware" of your life? No.

Just because I'm not a "follower" doesn't mean I must be a leader... I don't preach my beliefs or force them on anybody. I respect others rights to religious beliefs... so why can't THEY respect everyone else's and stop trying to force THEIR religious based laws that affect any individuals freedom and right to choose and and make decisions for themselves?
Al A Baster

Toccoa, GA

#11 Nov 24, 2013
Teacher wrote:
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Science explains the "how". Religion explains the "why".
Science of Physics defines the order of the universe.

Science of Chemistry defines how we are made up of the same star stuff of the universe.

I find no conflict in following Jesus and science.

Religion is a lie.

Men invented religion to find favor with God.

If you follow Jesus, you need no religion, because you already find favor with Him.
Jack Ass

Andover, MA

#12 Nov 24, 2013
Just Mike wrote:
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I don't preach my beliefs or force them on anybody. I respect others rights to religious beliefs... so why can't THEY respect everyone else's and stop trying to force THEIR religious based laws that affect any individuals freedom and right to choose and and make decisions for themselves?

And it is nearly always jack asses like you, and the one who started this thread, that want to preach the views of atheists and put down the views of religious Christianity......

Jack Ass

Andover, MA

#13 Nov 24, 2013
Al A Baster wrote:
<quoted text>
Science of Physics defines the order of the universe.
Science of Chemistry defines how we are made up of the same star stuff of the universe.
I find no conflict in following Jesus and science.
Religion is a lie.
Men invented religion to find favor with God.
If you follow Jesus, you need no religion, because you already find favor with Him.

And how did you find out about Jesus??? if not from religion?? if not from the Bible??



Al Kida

Orlando, FL

#14 Nov 24, 2013
Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
Science explains the "how". Religion explains the "why".
On a similar note; The astronomer Allan Sandage wrote
"As soon as you ask why there is something instead of nothing, you have gone beyond science.
Fud

Dawsonville, GA

#15 Nov 24, 2013
Opening line of bible should be Once upon time.
Ted

Maysville, GA

#16 Nov 24, 2013
Just Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
From your comments, it is clear that you can't wrap your mind around the concept of "infinite". The right amount of DNA and molecules and environment, etc isn't an "accident"... it was ALWAYS a possibility, albeit as you say with a low probability. Here is the rub... in an infinite amount of time, it is very likely that EVERY possibility will ultimately occur.
My theory above is very difficult to "prove" given our short existence as alive, but it has been done mathematically and IS logical. Your "faith", to me, seems like taking the path of least resistance... just accept a non-scientific, most simplistic story that can never ever be proved since it is based on magic.
Finally, your belief gives you a "comfort" regarding death... heaven, etc. My feeling is that I "die" every night- we call it SLEEP. The only difference in death is that I don't wake up or ever resume consciousness. In non-dream deep sleep, are you "aware" of your life? No.
Just because I'm not a "follower" doesn't mean I must be a leader... I don't preach my beliefs or force them on anybody. I respect others rights to religious beliefs... so why can't THEY respect everyone else's and stop trying to force THEIR religious based laws that affect any individuals freedom and right to choose and and make decisions for themselves?
All this to tell us that you have FAITH in your personal theory, which will never be proved.
Al Kida

Orlando, FL

#17 Nov 24, 2013
Just Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
From your comments, it is clear that you can't wrap your mind around the concept of "infinite". The right amount of DNA and molecules and environment, etc isn't an "accident"... it was ALWAYS a possibility, albeit as you say with a low probability. Here is the rub... in an infinite amount of time, it is very likely that EVERY possibility will ultimately occur.
My theory above is very difficult to "prove" given our short existence as alive, but it has been done mathematically and IS logical. Your "faith", to me, seems like taking the path of least resistance... just accept a non-scientific, most simplistic story that can never ever be proved since it is based on magic.
Finally, your belief gives you a "comfort" regarding death... heaven, etc. My feeling is that I "die" every night- we call it SLEEP. The only difference in death is that I don't wake up or ever resume consciousness. In non-dream deep sleep, are you "aware" of your life? No.
Just because I'm not a "follower" doesn't mean I must be a leader... I don't preach my beliefs or force them on anybody. I respect others rights to religious beliefs... so why can't THEY respect everyone else's and stop trying to force THEIR religious based laws that affect any individuals freedom and right to choose and and make decisions for themselves?
OK so given that hypothesis: The universe is estimated to be 14 billion years old, Now a grain of sand contains about one thousand times that number of atoms. Next it would take a number more than all the atoms in the known universe to equal the possibility of just one single cell amoeba coming into existence by itself. So just what kind of number do you consider infinite?
Just Mike

Nicholson, GA

#18 Nov 24, 2013
Al Kida wrote:
<quoted text>OK so given that hypothesis: The universe is estimated to be 14 billion years old, Now a grain of sand contains about one thousand times that number of atoms. Next it would take a number more than all the atoms in the known universe to equal the possibility of just one single cell amoeba coming into existence by itself. So just what kind of number do you consider infinite?
Not certain I understand your question... but please define "universe". There isn't a "uni" (one) anything. Infinite is without beginning or end... So how can it be 14 billion years old? Everything has been in existence FOREVER... And we can't conceive of no beginning or end. There was existence before the big boom as there will be after black holes eat everything we've ever known. In forever, ANYTHING is possible.
Al Kida

Orlando, FL

#19 Nov 25, 2013
Just Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Not certain I understand your question... but please define "universe". There isn't a "uni" (one) anything. Infinite is without beginning or end... So how can it be 14 billion years old? Everything has been in existence FOREVER... And we can't conceive of no beginning or end. There was existence before the big boom as there will be after black holes eat everything we've ever known. In forever, ANYTHING is possible.
Yeah and it's possible for you to make some sense and be coherent but I think we will have to wait for infinity for that
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#20 Nov 26, 2013
Jack Ass wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
And how did you find out about Jesus??? if not from religion?? if not from the Bible??
Professed Divine Revelation was one method,
now we just use the internet.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#21 Nov 26, 2013
Al Kida wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
OK so given that hypothesis: The universe is estimated to be 14 billion years old, Now a grain of sand contains about one thousand times that number of atoms. Next it would take a number more than all the atoms in the known universe to equal the possibility of just one single cell amoeba coming into existence by itself. So just what kind of number do you consider infinite?
So sorry, not as unique as you might think...

Life As We Know It Nearly Created in Lab
Robert Roy Britt | January 11, 2009 10:49am ET
http://www.livescience.com/3214-life-created-...

...Some chemical reactions occurred about 4 billion years ago — perhaps in a primordial tidal soup or maybe with help of volcanoes or possibly at the bottom of the sea or between the mica sheets — to create biology.

Now scientists have created something in the lab that is tantalizingly close to what might have happened. It's not life, they stress, but it certainly gives the science community a whole new data set to chew on.

The researchers, at the Scripps Research Institute, created molecules that self-replicate and even evolve and compete to win or lose. If that sounds exactly like life, read on to learn the controversial and thin distinction.

...Specifically, the researchers synthesized RNA enzymes that can replicate themselves without the help of any proteins or other cellular components, and the process proceeds indefinitely. "Immortalized" RNA, they call it, at least within the limited conditions of a laboratory.

More significantly, the scientists then mixed different RNA enzymes that had replicated, along with some of the raw material they were working with, and let them compete in what's sure to be the next big hit: "Survivor: Test Tube."

Remarkably, they bred.

And now and then, one of these survivors would screw up, binding with some other bit of raw material it hadn't been using. Hmm. That's exactly what life forms do ...

When these mutations occurred, "the resulting recombinant enzymes also were capable of sustained replication, with the most fitreplicators growing in number to dominate the mixture," the scientists report.

...Lincoln's advisor, professor Gerald Joyce, reiterated that while the self-replicating RNA enzyme systems share certain characteristics of life, they are not life as we know it.

"What we've found could be relevant to how life begins, at that key moment when Darwinian evolution starts," Joyce said in a statement.

Joyce's restraint, clear also on an NPR report of the finding, has to be appreciated. He allows that some scientists familiar with the work have argued that this is life. Another scientist said that what the researchers did is equivalent to recreating a scenario that might have led to the origin of life.

Joyce insists he and Lincoln have not created life: "We're knocking on that door," he says, "but of course we haven't achieved that."

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