Smokers and Obama Care.

[Informed Opinion]

obese smoker wrote:

Instead of trying to penalize them and change their ways, why not just let these health sinners die prematurely from their unhealthy habits.
Smokers tend to die 10 years earlier on average, and the obese die five to 12 years prematurely.
If 1 in 5 U.S. adults smoke, and 1 in 3 are obese, why not just get off their backs and let them go on with their (probably shortened) lives?

You Sir, are a genius.

It is a pleasure to encounter an author who actually understands the underlying and controlling facts of a conundrum.

We have a moral obligation to stop taxpayers subsidizing diabetes creating food, and to encourage healthy lifestyles, it is a huge falsehood to claim that doing so reduces health care costs.

Amazingly, it's actually cheaper in the long run to do as you say. The longer folks live, the more health care they consume, and the care they consume becomes exponentially more expensive.

By keeping the unhealthy alive longer we consume scarce resources that otherwise could be used to benefit everyone else.

An eye surgeon told me the other day that his patients' continually expanding life span,(made possible by diabetics, cancer survivors, etc. who previously would have been dead long before), have made him a fortune because they create the need for even more cataract surgeries and other procedures. He also said that his cardiac surgeon friends' incomes are exploding because their patients don't die as early as they used to, and instead continue to live and require stints, by-passes, and other very lucrative invasive procedures.

We are all going to die, and ironically, those who care for their health the most carefully, will cost us all the most.

I hope I am one of those, but gotta lay off the French Toast.

[turniptown]

Informed Opinion wrote:

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You Sir, are a genius.
It is a pleasure to encounter an author who actually understands the underlying and controlling facts of a conundrum.
We have a moral obligation to stop taxpayers subsidizing diabetes creating food, and to encourage healthy lifestyles, it is a huge falsehood to claim that doing so reduces health care costs.
Amazingly, it's actually cheaper in the long run to do as you say. The longer folks live, the more health care they consume, and the care they consume becomes exponentially more expensive.
By keeping the unhealthy alive longer we consume scarce resources that otherwise could be used to benefit everyone else.
An eye surgeon told me the other day that his patients' continually expanding life span,(made possible by diabetics, cancer survivors, etc. who previously would have been dead long before), have made him a fortune because they create the need for even more cataract surgeries and other procedures. He also said that his cardiac surgeon friends' incomes are exploding because their patients don't die as early as they used to, and instead continue to live and require stints, by-passes, and other very lucrative invasive procedures.
We are all going to die, and ironically, those who care for their health the most carefully, will cost us all the most.
I hope I am one of those, but gotta lay off the French Toast.

Sounds like the capitalism way.

[Bored]

Informed Opinion wrote:

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You Sir, are a genius.
It is a pleasure to encounter an author who actually understands the underlying and controlling facts of a conundrum.
We have a moral obligation to stop taxpayers subsidizing diabetes creating food, and to encourage healthy lifestyles, it is a huge falsehood to claim that doing so reduces health care costs.
Amazingly, it's actually cheaper in the long run to do as you say. The longer folks live, the more health care they consume, and the care they consume becomes exponentially more expensive.
By keeping the unhealthy alive longer we consume scarce resources that otherwise could be used to benefit everyone else.
An eye surgeon told me the other day that his patients' continually expanding life span,(made possible by diabetics, cancer survivors, etc. who previously would have been dead long before), have made him a fortune because they create the need for even more cataract surgeries and other procedures. He also said that his cardiac surgeon friends' incomes are exploding because their patients don't die as early as they used to, and instead continue to live and require stints, by-passes, and other very lucrative invasive procedures.
We are all going to die, and ironically, those who care for their health the most carefully, will cost us all the most.
I hope I am one of those, but gotta lay off the French Toast.

Boring.

[Hypocrites]

Jive Talker wrote:

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Say isn't there something in the Bible about the body being the "Temple of Christ"? I don't think he likes all that smoke in there.

First of all being a fat slob is far worse then smoking, it has been proven over and over and to you bible thumper "Go would not like smoke in the body"
Does God care if a man is taking a d+ck up the as+ because he is gay??
You churchie people are OK with that as long as they give 10%.

[turniptown]

Hypocrites wrote:

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First of all being a fat slob is far worse then smoking, it has been proven over and over and to you bible thumper "Go would not like smoke in the body"
Does God care if a man is taking a d+ck up the as+ because he is gay??
You churchie people are OK with that as long as they give 10%.

What if you are a fat slob and a smoker....

[The Jokes on You]

Hypocrites wrote:

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First of all being a fat slob is far worse then smoking, it has been proven over and over and to you bible thumper "Go would not like smoke in the body"
Does God care if a man is taking a d+ck up the as+ because he is gay??
You churchie people are OK with that as long as they give 10%.

I personally don't know any "church people" who are OK with homosexuality. But I know a lot who love the sinner and hate the sin.

[Hypocrite]

The Jokes on You wrote:

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I personally don't know any "church people" who are OK with homosexuality. But I know a lot who love the sinner and hate the sin.

OH, I got it, you thumpers can do each others wives, drink when out of town, screw someone in a business transaction and you hate the sin but love the sinner!?!??
What the hell happened to God who don't want smoke in someones body, does God think its OK to be 50-100lbs over weight for his little Temple.
I'd rather have lunch with a excon then a thumper.

[Excon]

Hypocrite wrote:

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I'd rather have lunch with a excon then a thumper.

While you are lunching with my excon room-mate I will be looting your home. thanks!

[Yup]

The Jokes on You wrote:

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I personally don't know any "church people" who are OK with homosexuality. But I know a lot who love the sinner and hate the sin.

Hate to break your bubble but homosexuals more then likely belong to most churches here
You work with them and don't know it.
If you were in the military you served with them.
Time to let it go.

[hmmm]

Jive Talker wrote:

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True. God gave us brains enough to not step in front of a moving vehicle and to not put things into our body which are harmful.

Cigarettes at one point in time were portrayed to be healthy for people...course that was the governments opinion, when they were/are collecting the taxes from cig. sales..

[Informed Opinion]

Hypocrite wrote:

<quoted text>OH, I got it, you thumpers can do each others wives, drink when out of town, screw someone in a business transaction and you hate the sin but love the sinner!?!??
What the hell happened to God who don't want smoke in someones body, does God think its OK to be 50-100lbs over weight for his little Temple.
I'd rather have lunch with a excon then a thumper.

Great post.

Don't agree with everything in it, but gotta say long ago I learned the rules don't apply to zealots.

It's ok to lie, cheat, and steal if your doing it to further your particular gods work,(of course which just happens to profit you too); and
it's ok to kidnap, torture, and assassinate if your "defending the homeland",(of course if the other guy does that defending his homeland he's a war criminal).

“Hypocrisy is the lubricant of society.”
David Hull

[Mostly listening]

Yes, it depends on what side you are on and have formed your correct or incorrect Informed Opinion.

[Hypocrite]

Excon wrote:

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While you are lunching with my excon room-mate I will be looting your home. thanks!

AND I would have much more respect for you looting my home, then some preacher that makes his living sucking the money out of old people and the helpless.

[The Jokes on You]

Hypocrite wrote:

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AND I would have much more respect for you looting my home, then some preacher that makes his living sucking the money out of old people and the helpless.

Where do you live?

[Hypocrite]

The Jokes on You wrote:

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Where do you live?

Blairsville.

[The Jokes on You]

Hypocrite wrote:

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Blairsville.

Please just leave the back door unlocked, that way, I won't have to break any glass and make a mess when I loot your home. Thanks.

[Hypocrite]

OK, we never lock it anyways, as we don't live next to any preachers, so were safe.

[Informed Opinion]

Hypocrite wrote:

OK, we never lock it anyways, as we don't live next to any preachers, so were safe.

Touché

[UC female]

Really wrote:

Why weren't drinkers included?

Drinker account for appro. 75% of american. Most are closet drinker and keep it from there neigbors.

[The Jokes on You]

UC female wrote:

<quoted text>Drinker account for appro. 75% of american. Most are closet drinker and keep it from there neigbors.

Yep, I drink tea every day.(But never in a closet)