10 year Iraq Invasion Anniversary
Bored

Jefferson, GA

#83 Apr 12, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder where the majority would lay on advocating for Obama Impeachment: Right wing Racist Birthers OR Left wing Liberal Commie Progressives.
Some may find this of interest:
VFP Interim Director, Mike Ferner Corrects Errors in John Walsh's Counterpunch Article
September 12, 2011
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/pressroom/new...
To the Counterpunch Editor:
I just read the Counterpunch article by John Walsh re: the resolution passed at the August VFP convention to impeach Obama. Some of his facts are wrong and the record needs to be set straight....

Wonder away.
The link shows there is a little WAR going on within the VFP, mercy-mercy.
Imagine that, war veterans having a little war among themselves, must be ingrained in their genes.


Sarge

Norcross, GA

#84 Apr 12, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a little early to be having a meltdown ain't it.
He must have had a double dose of his daily obammy foolaid. He needs to get back on his meds.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#85 Apr 13, 2013
MOSCOW -- Russia on Saturday named 18 Americans banned from entering the country in response to Washington imposing sanctions on 18 Russians for alleged human rights viola
The list released by the Foreign Ministry includes John Yoo, a former U.S. Justice Department official who wrote legal memos authorizing harsh interrogation techniques; David Addington, the chief of staff for former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney; and two former commanders of the Guantanamo Bay detention center: retired Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller and Adm. Jeffrey Harbeson.

The move came a day after the United States announced its sanctions under the Magnitsky Law, named for Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, who was arrested in 2008 for tax evasion after accusing Russian police officials of stealing $230 million in tax rebates. He died in prison the next year, allegedly after being beaten and denied medical treatment.

Neither Washington nor Moscow put high-ranking or politically prominent figures on their lists, perhaps aiming to limit the effect on U.S.-Russian relations that have deteriorated, despite President Barack Obama's initiative to "reset" relations with Moscow.

The Magnitsky law infuriated Russian authorities, and parliament quickly passed a retaliatory measure than banned Americans from adopting Russian children. Russia also has banned U.S. funding for any non-governmental organization deemed to be engaging in politics.

"I think that both sides showed a definite restraint because in Washington and in Moscow there were hotheads demanding to inflate the list to an unthinkable size," parliament member Vyacheslav Nikonov, who focuses on foreign affairs, was quoted as saying by the news agency Interfax.

The ITAR-Tass news agency quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying there also is a "closed part" of the list of banned Americans and that the United States knows of its existence. The U.S. law in turn allows the administration to compile a separate classified list of Russian officials subject to visa bans.

The public U.S. list includes Artem Kuznetsov and Pavel Karpov, two Russian Interior Ministry officers who put Magnitsky behind bars after he accused them of stealing $230 million from the state. Two tax officials the lawyer accused of approving the fraudulent tax refunds, and several other Interior Ministry officials accused of persecuting Magnitsky, also were on the list. Absent were senior officials from Russia's President Vladimir Putin's entourage whom some human rights advocates had hoped to see sanctioned.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement Saturday that the U.S. sanctions struck "a strong blow to bilateral relations and joint trust."

The U.S. Embassy in Moscow said it had no immediate comment.

Also on Russia's list are 14 Americans whom Russia says violated the rights of Russians abroad. It does not give specifics of the alleged violations, but includes several current or former federal prosecutors in the case of Viktor Bout, the Russian arms merchant sentenced in 2012 to 25 years in prison for selling weapons to a U.S.-designated foreign terrorist group.

A federal judge, one FBI agent and four U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents also are on the list. Some of them were involved in the case of Konstantin Yaroshenko, a Russian pilot convicted for drug smuggling.

"It's important that the criteria on which the Russian list was composed differ fundamentally from the Americans'. On the Russian list, including the closed part, are people actually responsible for the legalization of torture and indefinite detention of prisoners in Guantanamo, for arrests and unjust sentences for our countrymen," Ryabkov was quoted as saying.

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Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#86 Apr 14, 2013
The "War on Terrorism" just like the "War on Drugs" continues to be used to shred the Constitution.

Apr 12, 2013, 02:40 pm CDT

An order by the chief defense lawyer for Guantanamo Bay military tribunals that banned colleagues from using the Pentagon's computer system for confidential documents and emails followed news that information technology workers for the government had shared 540,000 defense emails with prosecutors.

Government IT workers turned over hundreds of thousands of defense counsel attorney-client privileged emails to the prosecution the Washington Post reports.

The email intrusion follows other issues.

They include the discovery that "smoke detectors" in attorney-client meeting rooms were actually microphones.

The loss of attorney documents, when government IT workers allegedly tried to upgrade its computer system. Entire files, months of work was just gone.

Yep, just keep shredding that Constitution to prove how much we honor the Constitution.
Sarge

Sylacauga, AL

#87 Apr 14, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
The "War on Terrorism" just like the "War on Drugs" continues to be used to shred the Constitution.
Apr 12, 2013, 02:40 pm CDT
An order by the chief defense lawyer for Guantanamo Bay military tribunals that banned colleagues from using the Pentagon's computer system for confidential documents and emails followed news that information technology workers for the government had shared 540,000 defense emails with prosecutors.
Government IT workers turned over hundreds of thousands of defense counsel attorney-client privileged emails to the prosecution the Washington Post reports.
The email intrusion follows other issues.
They include the discovery that "smoke detectors" in attorney-client meeting rooms were actually microphones.
The loss of attorney documents, when government IT workers allegedly tried to upgrade its computer system. Entire files, months of work was just gone.
Yep, just keep shredding that Constitution to prove how much we honor the Constitution.
Well try explaining that to your libbie president. He's been quoted as saying how "hindered he is by the Constitution"
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#88 Apr 14, 2013
Sarge wrote:
<quoted text>Well try explaining that to your libbie president. He's been quoted as saying how "hindered he is by the Constitution"
We'll put you down as another Right Winger who considers Vietnam and Iraq smart moves, after all, they worked our so well.

In Right Wing World - Saigon isn't actually named Ho Chi Minh City; and the people of Iraq loves us, they hate our enemy Iran, and gasoline costs $1.49 a gallon.

Yep, we just gotta go prove that regardless of how obviously destructive and unsuccessful Right Wing lunatic stupidity someone how we are just so stupidity has proven to be - we Americans are just too stupid to learn.

The bright ones here argued against the moronic self-defeating Iraq War - and the bright ones here wish Japan and Asia good luck with their little North Korean problem.

The bright ones here are tired of bankrupting our country subsidizing and "protecting" our enemies and competitors so they can steal our jobs.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#89 Apr 14, 2013
Sarge wrote:
<quoted text>Well try explaining that to your libbie president. He's been quoted as saying how "hindered he is by the Constitution"
You make a good point.

Sorry, my bad. I was responding to a different post.

You are wrong though - Obama is no more a "Libbie" than Bush was, and wr can only hope he's "hindered" by the Constitution - it's supposed too.

Again, sorry for responding inaccurately initially.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#90 Apr 15, 2013
Pinochet did it in Chile

Peron did it in Argentina

Tito did it in Yugoslavia

Marcos did it in the Philippines.

Stalin did it in Russia

Ceaușescu did it in Romania

Aren't we proud, and isn't Jesus sonorous of us ?

GUANTÁNAMO BAY, Cuba

ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I weighed 132, but that was a month ago.

I’ve been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 pounds. I will not eat until they restore my dignity.

I’ve been detained at Guantánamo for 11 years and three months. I have never been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.

I could have been home years ago — no one seriously thinks I am a threat — but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a “guard” for Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of the American movies I used to watch. They don’t even seem to believe it anymore. But they don’t seem to care how long I sit here, either.

Last month, on March 15, I was sick in the prison hospital and refused to be fed. A team from the E.R.F.(Extreme Reaction Force), a squad of eight military police officers in riot gear, burst in. They tied my hands and feet to the bed. They forcibly inserted an IV into my hand. I spent 26 hours in this state, tied to the bed. During this time I was not permitted to go to the toilet. They inserted a catheter, which was painful, degrading and unnecessary. I was not even permitted to pray.

I will never forget the first time they passed the feeding tube up my nose. I can’t describe how painful it is to be force-fed this way. As it was thrust in, it made me feel like throwing up. I wanted to vomit, but I couldn’t. There was agony in my chest, throat and stomach. I had never experienced such pain before. I would not wish this cruel punishment upon anyone.

I am still being force-fed. Two times a day they tie me to a chair in my cell. My arms, legs and head are strapped down. I never know when they will come. Sometimes they come during the night, as late as 11 p.m., when I’m sleeping.

During one force-feeding the nurse pushed the tube about 18 inches into my stomach, hurting me more than usual, because she was doing things so hastily. I called the interpreter to ask the doctor if the procedure was being done correctly or not.

It was so painful that I begged them to stop feeding me. The nurse refused to stop feeding me. As they were finishing, some of the “food” spilled on my clothes. I asked them to change my clothes, but the guard refused to allow me to hold on to this last shred of my dignity.

When they come to force me into the chair, if I refuse to be tied up, they call the E.R.F. team. So I have a choice. Either I can exercise my right to protest my detention, and be beaten up, or I can submit to painful force-feeding.

The only reason I am still here is that President Obama refuses to send any detainees back to Yemen. This makes no sense. I am a human being, not a passport, and I deserve to be treated like one.

Where is my government? I will submit to any “security measures” they want in order to go home, even though they are totally unnecessary.

I will agree to whatever it takes in order to be free. I am now 35. All I want is to see my family again and to start a family of my own.

The situation is desperate now. All of the detainees here are suffering deeply. At least 40 people here are on a hunger strike. People are fainting with exhaustion every day. I have vomited blood.

And there is no end in sight to our imprisonment. Denying ourselves food and risking death every day is the choice we have made.

I just hope that because of the pain we are suffering, the eyes of the world will once again look to Guantánamo before it is too late.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#91 Apr 16, 2013
Hey, what's the problem - I'm doing fine.

A recent Harvard study attempted to put the human cost of Bush's wars in context, explaining that the expense of covering residual health issues for young soldiers injured.

According to the study, the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan together could end up running somewhere between $4 to $6 Trillion Dollars.

Former President George W. Bush reflected on his tenure in the White House during an interview with the Dallas Morning News:

"I'm confident the decisions were made the right way," Bush explained. "It's easy to forget what life was like when the decision was made."

Bush's rare interview comes as he prepares to attend a ceremony for the opening of his presidential library next week in Dallas. He'll be there along with President Barack Obama and every other living former president. Speaking to the Morning News of the legacy that the library is meant to honor, Bush suggested he had few regrets.

The former president's comments come just weeks after an emotional observance of the 10th anniversary of the Iraq invasion.

Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney and other members of the administration who played integral parts in the war received heavy criticism over that period.

Tomas Young, an Iraq veteran paralyzed during his service, became one of the most powerful voices of the protest when he penned an open letter to Bush and Cheney, blasting them for their "cowardice."
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#92 Apr 16, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
Hey, what's the problem - I'm doing fine.

A recent Harvard study attempted to put the human cost of Bush's wars in context, explaining that the expense of covering residual health issues for young soldiers injured.

According to the study, the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan together could end up running somewhere between $4 to $6 Trillion Dollars.

Former President George W. Bush reflected on his tenure in the White House during an interview with the Dallas Morning News:

"I'm confident the decisions were made the right way," Bush explained. "It's easy to forget what life was like when the decision was made."

Bush's rare interview comes as he prepares to attend a ceremony for the opening of his presidential library next week in Dallas. He'll be there along with President Barack Obama and every other living former president. Speaking to the Morning News of the legacy that the library is meant to honor, Bush suggested he had few regrets.

The former president's comments come just weeks after an emotional observance of the 10th anniversary of the Iraq invasion.

Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney and other members of the administration who played integral parts in the war received heavy criticism over that period.

Tomas Young, an Iraq veteran paralyzed during his service, became one of the most powerful voices of the protest when he penned an open letter to Bush and Cheney, blasting them for their "cowardice."
How much did the bin Laden family donate for spiriting the bin Laden billionaires from America on 09-11, and protecting their beloved Osama for 7 years ?

We'll never be allowed to know.

Most Americans don't really want to know.

A Few Good Men
written by Aaron Sorkin

Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them.
Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I want the truth!
Jessep: You can't handle the truth!.

Who Gave the George W. Bush Library $25 Million?
APR
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Written by: Diana West
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:59 AM

The media is rosy-glowing with stories heralding the opening of George W. Bush's presidential library at SMU later this month, basking in the "presidents' club" angle: namely, how it is that four long-lived former presidents plus Obama will gather to open Bush 43's library, and isn't that cute.

Not so cute -- especially not when the donors who have ponied up in excess of $400 million to build the Bush complex at SMU are allowed to remain anonymous, including the individual or entity that donated $25 million.

The Sunlight Foundation reports that the House last month green-lighted a bill to make public the names of donors who contribute more than $200 to presidential libraries. Amen.
Bob

Clarkesville, GA

#93 Apr 16, 2013
Ten percent of the cost of the $165 million Bill Clinton presidential library is said to have come from foreign individuals and governments, sources said.
Ten percent of the cost of the $165 million Bill Clinton presidential library is said to have come from foreign individuals and governments, sources said.(By Ricky Carioti -- The Washington Post )



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By John Solomon and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
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Saturday, December 15, 2007


Bill Clinton's presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.

The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.
Bob

Clarkesville, GA

#94 Apr 16, 2013
U.S. indictment and controversial pardon

In 1983 Rich and Green were indicted by then-U.S. Federal Prosecutor (and future mayor of New York City) Rudolph Giuliani, on illegal trading with Iran and charges of tax evasion. At the time it was the biggest tax evasion case in U.S. history.[12] They were indicted while they were in Switzerland. The pair failed to return to the U.S. following the indictment, and were on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most-Wanted Fugitives List for many years.

In 1989 the U.S. Justice Department ceased using statutes of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act in tax cases such as the one in which Rich and Green were indicted, and relied instead on civil lawsuits.[13] However, Marc Rich remained on page 1 of the Justice Department's Most Wanted International Fugitives.[14]

On 20 January 2001, hours before leaving office, Clinton granted Rich a presidential pardon

As Denise Rich had made large donations to the U.S. Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Clinton's time in office,
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#95 Apr 16, 2013
Bob wrote:
Ten percent of the cost of the $165 million Bill Clinton presidential library is said to have come from foreign individuals and governments, sources said.
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Saturday, December 15, 2007


Bill Clinton's presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.

The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.
Since the contributions a/k/a payoffs add secret and the politicians refuse to pass the legislation making them be revealed, we'll never know.

But hey, Bush/Cheney "leaked" stories to the NY Times describing the "secret" evidence of weapons of mass destruction.

So I'll hold off believing "leaked" info until someday it's required to provide the list of payoffs ... er .... Contributors and how much they paid.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#96 Apr 16, 2013
Bob wrote:
U.S. indictment and controversial pardon

In 1983 Rich and Green were indicted by then-U.S. Federal Prosecutor (and future mayor of New York City) Rudolph Giuliani, on illegal trading with Iran and charges of tax evasion. At the time it was the biggest tax evasion case in U.S. history.[12] They were indicted while they were in Switzerland. The pair failed to return to the U.S. following the indictment, and were on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most-Wanted Fugitives List for many years.

In 1989 the U.S. Justice Department ceased using statutes of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act in tax cases such as the one in which Rich and Green were indicted, and relied instead on civil lawsuits.[13] However, Marc Rich remained on page 1 of the Justice Department's Most Wanted International Fugitives.[14]

On 20 January 2001, hours before leaving office, Clinton granted Rich a presidential pardon

As Denise Rich had made large donations to the U.S. Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Clinton's time in office,
Agreed, that was despicable.

Clinton also screwed us all by signing NAFTA. Of course the corporations paid him off by appointing him to lots of boards for big money.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#97 Apr 16, 2013
From another forum-

You can't just blame Dubya or his puppet master dick Cheney.

Both the Republicans and Democrats in Congress should have impeached, removed and imprisoned both of them.

But when the Democrats took back the majority in both houses in Congress, Nancy Pelosi said impeachment is off the table, and Harry Reid said their top priority was the continued funding of the Iraqi war. Besides that, Congress voted in overwhelming bipartisan numbers for unconstitutional bills.

So they all should be impeached, removed and imprisoned.

As long as people blame ONLY the Republicans or ONLY the Democrats, then they are part of the problem.

You have made yourself an unwitting pawn of the global fascist elite who are masters at the game of divide and conquer. How does it feel to be duped into working against your own best interests?
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#98 Apr 17, 2013
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The C.I.A.’s Angry Birds
By MAUREEN DOWD
Last Updated: 9:43 PM ET
WASHINGTON

... They were starting to realize that, while the American public approves of remotely killing terrorists, it is a drain on the democratic soul to zap people with no due process and little regard for the loss of innocents.

But they never got around to it, leaving Rand Paul to take the moral high ground.

After two bloody, money-sucking, never-ending wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the idea of a weapon for war that precluded having anyone actually go to war was too captivating. Our sophisticated, sleek, smart, detached president was ensorcelled by our sophisticated, sleek, smart, detached war machine.

America’s secret drone program, continually lowering the bar for lethal action, turns the president, the C.I.A. director and counterterrorism advisers into a star chamber running a war beyond war zones...

Mazzetti raises the issue of whether the C.I.A.— which once sold golf shirts with Predator logos in its gift shop — became “so enamored of its killer drones that it wasn’t pushing its analysts to ask a basic question: To what extent might the drone strikes be creating more terrorists than they are actually killing?”

Mazzetti writes that Sir Richard Dearlove, the head of MI6, the British Secret Intelligence Service, watched one of the first drone strikes via satellite at Langley a few weeks after 9/11. As he saw a Mitsubishi truck in Afghanistan being blown up, Dearlove smiled wryly.“It almost isn’t sporting, is it?” the Brit asked.

In the run-up to the Iraq war, Donald Rumsfeld and his hawkish inner circle were disgusted that the C.I.A. dismissed their spurious claims of a connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, so they set up their own C.I.A. at the Pentagon. Soldiers became spies.

Meanwhile, the C.I.A. was setting up its own Pentagon at Langley, running the ever-expanding paramilitary drone operation. Spies became soldiers.

Mazzetti writes that after 9/11, the C.I.A. director morphed into “a military commander running a clandestine, global war with a skeleton staff and very little oversight.” Why did the C.I.A., as Gen. James Cartwright asked when he was the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, need to build “a second Air Force”?.

... As W. George Jameson, a lawyer who spent 33 years at the C.I.A., lamented:“Everything is backwards. You’ve got an intelligence agency fighting a war and a military organization trying to gather on-the-ground intelligence.”

Ross Newland, a career clandestine officer, told Mazzetti that the allure of killing people by remote control is “catnip,” and that the agency should have given up Predators and Reapers long ago. The death robots have turned the C.I.A. into the villain in places like Pakistan, Newland said, where the agency’s mission is supposed to be nurturing relationships to gather intelligence.

It almost isn’t sporting, is it?
Bored

Branson, MO

#99 Apr 18, 2013
Since I don't read these long posts of static malaise. I can say with certainty there I's a fungus taking over topix.
Only cure is a Repub president bred by a tea party, backed by a fair tax, enforced by a populace with guns and roses.
Libtards need not apply.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#100 Apr 18, 2013
Bored wrote:
Since I don't read these long posts of static malaise. I can say with certainty there I's a fungus taking over topix.
Only cure is a Repub president bred by a tea party, backed by a fair tax, enforced by a populace with guns and roses.
Libtards need not apply.
The True Americans you describe will be known by their Brown Shirts, it's the standard uniform for all self-defined "Patriots".
Johnson

Eastaboga, AL

#101 Apr 18, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
The True Americans you describe will be known by their Brown Shirts, it's the standard uniform for all self-defined "Patriots".
Well spoken by a poster child for the Libtard Nation!
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#102 Apr 19, 2013
Bored wrote:
Since I don't read these long posts of static malaise. I can say with certainty there I's a fungus taking over topix.
Only cure is a Repub president bred by a tea party, backed by a fair tax, enforced by a populace with guns and roses.
Libtards need not apply.
Wow - proudly proclaiming that Jesus just ain't welcome as your leader.

I'm sooooooo hurt that, Jesus and I just wouldn't fit in.

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