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Progressive wrote:
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Believe it or not

...for their erroneous belief that the theory of evolution leads to a breakdown of morality.

...“58 percent of Republicans believe that God created humans in their present form

...81 percent of Democrats but only 49 percent of Republicans believe that Earth is getting warmer.

...19 percent doubt that Earth is getting warmer.

...do not exactly bolster the common belief that liberals are the people of the science book.
...belief in the mind as a tabula rasa shaped almost entirely by culture
Strawmen galore,
constructed from broad strokes
setup and easily toppled.

Tell us,
the many uses of belief.

Must one believe in gravity,
to believe you'll hit ground.

Must one believe a fact
for the fact to be true.
Does our belief have impact
on its impact.

Tell us,
how do you mount a successful offensive
with a minority of troops.

"The left's war on science begins with the stats cited above: 41 percent of Democrats are young Earth creationists, and 19 percent doubt that Earth is getting warmer."
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Mar 22, 2013
 
Progressive wrote:
Believe it or not—and I suspect most readers will not—there's a liberal war on science. Say what?
We are well aware of the Republican war on science from the eponymous 2006 book (Basic Books) by Chris Mooney, and I have castigated conservatives myself in my 2006 book Why Darwin Matters (Henry Holt) for their erroneous belief that the theory of evolution leads to a breakdown of morality. A 2012 Gallup poll found that “58 percent of Republicans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years,” compared with 41 percent of Democrats. A 2011 survey by the Public Religion Research Institute found that 81 percent of Democrats but only 49 percent of Republicans believe that Earth is getting warmer. Many conservatives seem to grant early-stage embryos a moral standing that is higher than that of adults suffering from debilitating diseases potentially curable through stem cells. And most recently, Missouri Republican senatorial candidate Todd Akin gaffed on the ability of women's bodies to avoid pregnancy in the event of a “legitimate rape.” It gets worse.
The left's war on science begins with the stats cited above: 41 percent of Democrats are young Earth creationists, and 19 percent doubt that Earth is getting warmer. These numbers do not exactly bolster the common belief that liberals are the people of the science book. In addition, consider “cognitive creationists”—whom I define as those who accept the theory of evolution for the human body but not the brain. As Harvard University psychologist Steven Pinker documents in his 2002 book The Blank Slate (Viking), belief in the mind as a tabula rasa shaped almost entirely by culture has been mostly the mantra of liberal intellectuals, who in the 1980s and 1990s led an all-out assault against evolutionary psychology via such Orwellian-named far-left groups as Science for the People, for proffering the now uncontroversial idea that human thought and behavior are at least partially the result of our evolutionary past.
There is more, and recent, antiscience fare from far-left progressives, documented in the 2012 book Science Left Behind (PublicAffairs) by science journalists Alex B. Berezow and Hank Campbell, who note that “if it is true that conservatives have declared a war on science, then progressives have declared Armageddon.” On energy issues, for example, the authors contend that progressive liberals tend to be antinuclear because of the waste-disposal problem, anti–fossil fuels because of global warming, antihydroelectric because dams disrupt river ecosystems, and anti–wind power because of avian fatalities. The underlying current is “everything natural is good” and “everything unnatural is bad.”
Whereas conservatives obsess over the purity and sanctity of sex, the left's sacred values seem fixated on the environment, leading to an almost religious fervor over the purity and sanctity of air, water and especially food. Try having a conversation with a liberal progressive about GMOs—genetically modified organisms—in which the words “Monsanto” and “profit” are not dropped like syllogistic bombs. Comedian Bill Maher, for example, on his HBO Real Time show on October 19, 2012, asked Stonyfield Farm CEO Gary Hirshberg if he would rate Monsanto as a 10 (“evil”) or an 11 (“f—ing evil”)? The fact is that we've been genetically modifying organisms for 10,000 years through breeding and selection. It's the only way to feed billions of people.
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Mar 22, 2013
 
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Great post.
It seems extremists almost always tend toward the irrational.
One point on which we disagree is the extent upon which we need to damage the earth, reduce our length and the quality of our lives, and squander our resources in order to "feed the planet".
We subsidize hormone laden, carcinogenic, genetically mutated, chemically saturated, low quality, high caloric food, because it profitable to the producers, and popular to the masses.
ADM, General Mills, and Monsanto, love politicians - and politicians, cardiac surgeons, and endocrinologists love ADM, General Mills and Monsanto.
Then we are "surprised" when we produce a society of obese, diabetic, malnourished, chronically ill adults and children.
As for food supplies - we are drowning in food. We produce so much food we have to loan money to other countries and coerce them to use the funds to buy our excess food. As an example, we forced Haiti to import food from our surpluses resulting in the destruction their agriculture system. Haiti went from exporting food to importing food severely adding to its economic woes.
See "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" an autobiography by John Perkins.
If we subsidized healthy foods and deincentivized sugar, fat, hormone, and chemically laden foods we, and our children would be healthier, smarter, and live longer.
But where would that leave ADM, General Mills, Monsanto, etc., and all those politicians who survive on their bribes ... er... contributions.
Just my thoughts.
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#46
Mar 22, 2013
 
Oh my wrote:
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Strawmen galore,
constructed from broad strokes
setup and easily toppled.
Tell us,
the many uses of belief.
Must one believe in gravity,
to believe you'll hit ground.
Must one believe a fact
for the fact to be true.
Does our belief have impact
on its impact.
Tell us,
how do you mount a successful offensive
with a minority of troops.
"The left's war on science begins with the stats cited above: 41 percent of Democrats are young Earth creationists, and 19 percent doubt that Earth is getting warmer."
Boring.
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Ten years since the start of the war in Iraq, and nine years since getting shot in the spine by a sniper after being in Iraq for only five days, Tomas Young, a U.S. Army veteran, has decided to kill himself.

Since sustaining his initial injury, Young, who is now 33, has been one of the most vocal members of the activist group Iraq Veterans Against the War, even starring in the award-winning documentary Body of War, which followed him as he attempted to make sense of his circumstances. Unfortunately, Young has also been forced to watch as his body and abilities have slowly withered away, a cruel counterweight to his once boundless enthusiasm. At first he was only paralyzed from the waist down, but in 2008 his condition worsened when he suffered a pulmonary embolism and anoxic brain injury, ailments that further hampered his mobility and his speech. It's been downhill from there. In November, Young had his colon removed, and his wife, Claudia Cuellar, now feeds her husband liquid food through a tube.

After nine years in and out of hospitals, Young, who lives in Kansas City, told the Kansas City Star this week that he's decided to end his life, saying simply, "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired." After trying to help him live for almost a decade, doctors have told Young they can't help him with his final wish. So sometime in the next few weeks he will start to refuse food, water, and medication. He told the Star he thinks it will only take about three days for him to die after that.

In an open letter to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney published on Truthdig earlier this week, Young wrote that the two men "may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole."

Young concludes with this:

My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
Ten years since the start of the war in Iraq, and nine years since getting shot in the spine by a sniper after being in Iraq for only five days, Tomas Young, a U.S. Army veteran, has decided to kill himself.
Since sustaining his initial injury, Young, who is now 33, has been one of the most vocal members of the activist group Iraq Veterans Against the War, even starring in the award-winning documentary Body of War, which followed him as he attempted to make sense of his circumstances. Unfortunately, Young has also been forced to watch as his body and abilities have slowly withered away, a cruel counterweight to his once boundless enthusiasm. At first he was only paralyzed from the waist down, but in 2008 his condition worsened when he suffered a pulmonary embolism and anoxic brain injury, ailments that further hampered his mobility and his speech. It's been downhill from there. In November, Young had his colon removed, and his wife, Claudia Cuellar, now feeds her husband liquid food through a tube.
After nine years in and out of hospitals, Young, who lives in Kansas City, told the Kansas City Star this week that he's decided to end his life, saying simply, "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired." After trying to help him live for almost a decade, doctors have told Young they can't help him with his final wish. So sometime in the next few weeks he will start to refuse food, water, and medication. He told the Star he thinks it will only take about three days for him to die after that.
In an open letter to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney published on Truthdig earlier this week, Young wrote that the two men "may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole."
Young concludes with this:
My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness.
We keep hoping you'll lose your fingers. But that wouldn't help, since you're descended from monkeys you'll just use your toes to post.

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Bored wrote:
<quoted text>We keep hoping you'll lose your fingers. But that wouldn't help, since you're descended from monkeys you'll just use your toes to post.
"Descended from monkeys - just use my toes".

Now, who wouldn't be convinced of the superiority of your arguments after reading that "zinger".

This is just too much fun, and way to illustrative to any readers whose IQs exceed that of their snow chains.

Progressives and moderates post facts and logical analysis supported by those documented facts,

then

Right Wingers ignore the facts and respond with irrelevant name calling and generic insults;

then

Progressives and moderates post even more fact supported rational opinions,

then

Right Wingers ignore the additional facts and respond again with irrelevant personal insults,

then,

repeat the above.

What a great way to point out the difference between the Progressives, who pride themselves on knowledge and rational thought,
and
Right Wingers who detest both.

Uh oh...

Here comes the response... could it be an insult ....
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Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
"Descended from monkeys - just use my toes".
Now, who wouldn't be convinced of the superiority of your arguments after reading that "zinger".
This is just too much fun, and way to illustrative to any readers whose IQs exceed that of their snow chains.
Progressives and moderates post facts and logical analysis supported by those documented facts,
then
Right Wingers ignore the facts and respond with irrelevant name calling and generic insults;
then
Progressives and moderates post even more fact supported rational opinions,
then
Right Wingers ignore the additional facts and respond again with irrelevant personal insults,
then,
repeat the above.
What a great way to point out the difference between the Progressives, who pride themselves on knowledge and rational thought,
and
Right Wingers who detest both.
Uh oh...
Here comes the response... could it be an insult ....
Boring.
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Too True, Too Funny...

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Oh my wrote:
Too Stupid, Too You...
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Iraq Anniversary
Lessons from America's 'Dumb War'
By Sebastian Fischer in Washington

REUTERS

1. It was a "dumb war"

An estimated one-third of U.S. troops suffer from posttraumatic stress disorder. Over 30,000 of them were injured. And 4,422 died. What was the point? In January 2002, President Bush declared: "The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons." But the dictator's suspected weapons of mass destruction were never found.

2. The war damaged America's image

America's invasion of Iraq isolated it in the world. In summarizing the moral damage the war inflicted on the US, SPIEGEL wrote: "For this war, America has broken international law, defamed allies and made the United Nations an object of derision." The torture scandal from Abu Ghraib, a prison on the western edge of Baghdad, has caused lasting damage to the proud democracy's moral reputation. The U.S they were seen as occupiers, as a power that threw the country into chaos and a civil war that cost more than 100,000 Iraqis their lives.

3. The war discredited the CIA

When Colin Powell went before the UN and gambled away his credibility, then-CIA chief George Tenet was sitting behind him. In 2011, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed "Curveball," who had provided key testimony to the CIA, revealed that he had lied and purposefully provided false information about Iraq's biological weapons. "They gave me this chance," al-Janabi told the Guardian newspaper. "I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime."

4. The war divided the nation

One of the reasons that the Democrats and Republicans in Washington have become such bitter rivals can be traced back to their conflicting stances on the war. Democrats threw their support behind Bush at first, but they would later come to feel tricked.

5. The war fueled Obama's victory in the presidential election

He may have lacked experience, but during the Democratic primaries of 2008, Barack Obama had one clear advantage coming out of the gates: Unlike his fiercest rival, Hilary Clinton, he had never voted for the invasion of Iraq. In fact, he could even point to his 2002 statement about how it would be a "dumb war."

6. It was the war of the neocons

For years, toppling Saddam Hussein had been a goal of the mep-cons. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld helped win acceptance for neocon fantasies. Indeed, in his 2004 memoir "Against All Enemies," former Bush counter-terrorism czar Richard A. Clarke wrote that bombing Iraq after being attacked by al-Qaida "would be like our invading Mexico after the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor."

7. The neocons learned little from the war

The neocons haven't disappeared at all. Nor have their ideas about waging preemptive wars been abandoned.

8. The effects of the war pervade the country

Young men and women with amputated limbs are not a rare sight on American streets. Many veterans are having trouble finding jobs, and the suicide rate is high. The nation is tired of war. Many Democrats and Republicans alike don't want to hear about military missions abroad. Instead, there is widespread support for "nation-building at home."
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Mine is from age. Yours is from dogma
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Who says the Right Wing does nothing but obstruct progress, while pretending to whine about the lack of progress ?

Malicious Obstruction in the Senate
Last Updated: 9:16 PM ET

There is no historical precedent for the number of cabinet-level nominees that Republicans have blocked or delayed in the Obama administration.
- Chuck Hagel became the first defense secretary nominee ever filibustered;
- John Brennan, the C.I.A. director, was the subject of an epic filibuster by Senator Rand Paul.
- Kathleen Sebelius and John Bryson, the secretaries of health and human services and commerce, were subjected to 60-vote confirmation margins instead of simple majorities;
- Susan Rice surely would have been filibustered and thus was not nominated to be secretary of state;
- Jacob Lew, the Treasury secretary, was barraged with 444 written questions, mostly from Republicans, more than the previous seven nominees for that position combined;
- Gina McCarthy, the nominee to lead the Environmental Protection Agency, is being blocked by Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri until he gets the answers he wants on a local levee project;
- Thomas Perez, nominated to be labor secretary, is being held up by Senator David Vitter of Louisiana, who is angry about the Justice Department’s enforcement of voting rights laws.

By comparison, there were four filibusters of cabinet-level positions during George W. Bush’s two terms, and one under President Ronald Reagan.

- Richard Cordray, who was renominated to lead the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Republicans intend to nullify many of its powers by blocking Mr. Cordray for the second time.

Judicial nominees are also waiting for exceptionally long periods to be confirmed.
The average wait for circuit and district judges under Mr. Obama has been 227 days, compared with 175 days under Mr. Bush.
- Last week, the Senate finally confirmed Richard Taranto as an appellate judge 484 days after his first nomination.(Republicans previously refused to confirm him in an election year.)
- Patty Shwartz, has been waiting a year for a vote.
- Caitlin Halligan, another appeals court nominee, had to withdraw from consideration after Republicans filibustered her for the second time.

The Right Wing cry: "Screw the country, this is making a president fail - and if the country fails too - well, sacrifices have to be made."
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Mar 29, 2013
 
By the way, as we approach April 30, and the anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War, we ought to ask ourselves - when will we ever learn that politicians lie us into war whenever it suits their purposes ?
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Informed Opinion wrote:
By the way, as we approach April 30, and the anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War, we ought to ask ourselves - when will we ever learn that politicians lie us into war whenever it suits their purposes ?
The American Indian wars were about gold and land

The Spanish American war was all about sving the sugar industry

The Civil War was all about revenues from the South.

Vietnam was all about preventing the spread of Communism. Yeah right. Sure it was.

And so on and so on.

Lots of Democrats and Republicans, all taking us to war.
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Mar 29, 2013
 
Informed Opinion wrote:
By the way, as we approach April 30, and the anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War, we ought to ask ourselves - when will we ever learn that politicians lie us into war whenever it suits their purposes ?
But only Republicans, right? Not any of your Libtard Democraps I bet!
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Yeppers wrote:
<quoted text>But only Republicans, right? Not any of your Libtard Democraps I bet!
I looked and looked and looked.

I saw no comment about Liberals, Moderates, Conservatives, Left Wingers, Centrists, or Right Wingers in that post.

The fact that you did - says a lot.
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We cannot forget thousands of dead American troops and tens if thousands wounded and disabled by a war started to win re-election.

Another War Monger tries to "spread the guilt".

No way.

DENVER - A decade of time has passed since the start of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

On the 10 year anniversary of the start of the war a string of bombings in Iraq resulted in the deaths of 65 people.

"The problems of Iraq have proven extremely complex, and to this day when we see more of the Sunni extremist violence against the Shia we realize there is much to be done by Iraqis, not American troops," said Christopher Hill, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and the Dean of the School of International Studies at the University of Denver.

... Hill says the mistake that was made was in believing that the removal of Saddam Hussein would solve the problem of the region.

"I think those hopes were really never there and I think one of the worst legacies of Iraq are the people who claim that somehow by getting rid of the dictator, Saddam Hussein that this would be transformational in the rest of the region," Hill said...

"For me, I can say it is a time of reflection. We lost some 4,600 of our citizens in that country," Hill said.

... Hill says regardless of the Iraq's future, he hopes this country will remember the lesson of the last ten years.

"I hope we've learned that you really need to understand these situations a lot better when you commit your young men and women to go into this," Hill said.

What do you mean "we" ... War Monger.

We intelligent educated folks saw the lies for what they were and were shouted down by you war mongers and Right Wing tools.

Don't share your murderous guilt with those of us who saw reality and tries to stop you.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
We cannot forget thousands of dead American troops and tens if thousands wounded and disabled by a war started to win re-election.
Another War Monger tries to "spread the guilt".
No way.
DENVER - A decade of time has passed since the start of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
On the 10 year anniversary of the start of the war a string of bombings in Iraq resulted in the deaths of 65 people.
"The problems of Iraq have proven extremely complex, and to this day when we see more of the Sunni extremist violence against the Shia we realize there is much to be done by Iraqis, not American troops," said Christopher Hill, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and the Dean of the School of International Studies at the University of Denver.
... Hill says the mistake that was made was in believing that the removal of Saddam Hussein would solve the problem of the region.
"I think those hopes were really never there and I think one of the worst legacies of Iraq are the people who claim that somehow by getting rid of the dictator, Saddam Hussein that this would be transformational in the rest of the region," Hill said...
"For me, I can say it is a time of reflection. We lost some 4,600 of our citizens in that country," Hill said.
... Hill says regardless of the Iraq's future, he hopes this country will remember the lesson of the last ten years.
"I hope we've learned that you really need to understand these situations a lot better when you commit your young men and women to go into this," Hill said.
What do you mean "we" ... War Monger.
We intelligent educated folks saw the lies for what they were and were shouted down by you war mongers and Right Wing tools.
Don't share your murderous guilt with those of us who saw reality and tries to stop you.
Boring repeat.
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Apr 1, 2013
 
Bored wrote:
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Boring repeat.
Yes, you're correct. The Iraq war was a boring repeat of the many wars we've been involved in and should have known better.

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