Delmar

Blairsville, GA

#43 Jan 5, 2013
I see the misfits are once again stirring the pot. They lost the election and made no change, so I guess they're getting an early start for 2016. I betting we'll hear the same old crap he heard leading up to this election. Yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak
Lamar

Dawsonville, GA

#44 Jan 5, 2013
Delmar wrote:
I see the misfits are once again stirring the pot. They lost the election and made no change, so I guess they're getting an early start for 2016. I betting we'll hear the same old crap he heard leading up to this election. Yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak
You are absolutely right Delmar. I for one am getting tired of their accusations. I would do something about them but unfortunately I can't. You see they are right about most things. you could help out though with post like the one you just made. Come by the office and I'll pave a road or something for you.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#45 Jan 5, 2013
Lamar wrote:
<quoted text>You are absolutely right Delmar. I for one am getting tired of their accusations. I would do something about them but unfortunately I can't. You see they are right about most things. you could help out though with post like the one you just made. Come by the office and I'll pave a road or something for you.
Don't worry Lamar we know you are getting ready to take over the Private Road "Barnes Mill Road" in Ivy Log Estate in Dick Bells development.

I know you will follow all YOUR Rules and Regulations for this county and the road will be PAVED right? Or is this a special favor you promised for votes?

Sec. 70-45.- Paving requirement; exception.

Pursuant to O.C.G.A.§ 32-4-40 et seq., the county will not accept roads in subdivisions as part of the county road system unless such subdivision roads are paved. A graveled road may be accepted as a public road at the discretion of the commissioner provided, however, that the road has been inspected and found to have been built to county road specifications.
round and round and round

Dahlonega, GA

#46 Jan 5, 2013
Delmar wrote:
I see the misfits are once again stirring the pot. They lost the election and made no change, so I guess they're getting an early start for 2016. I betting we'll hear the same old crap he heard leading up to this election. Yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak
Now that is funny! They aren't stirring the pot - but still on the pot and constipated as ever!

Only TOPIX people take them seriously.

Hey, remember when ACOG was praising Suzie-Q for being so professional and helpful? Yep, I bet that helpfulness will be tempered from now on. Poor Suzie.
Duh

Blairsville, GA

#47 Jan 5, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
Roads don't have anything to do with it. i have a county road which used to be a state highway splitting my property in half but it is all in one parcel. And I only have one tax bill for all my property, been that way for a mite many years. I'd say it again, you need to learn more about property laws. All you are doing is speculating. I don't see a single fact that you provide. now, maybe theres been things done wrong, but I have to see real proof before i'm going to say guilty. Sound like all this is is a tarring and feathering.
Using your analogy and Paris' analogy, I can have 12 separate acres spread out across the county and count it as one parcel for conservation use.
However I don't believe the assessors office will allow me to put them all in one parcel for taxation purposes.
Concerned Citizen

Dahlonega, GA

#48 Jan 5, 2013
Duh wrote:
<quoted text>
Using your analogy and Paris' analogy, I can have 12 separate acres spread out across the county and count it as one parcel for conservation use.
However I don't believe the assessors office will allow me to put them all in one parcel for taxation purposes.
Well, sonny, my property ain't "spread out across the county" and from looking at the map neither is this commissioner fellow's - at least what he is claiming as agricultural property in this case. Maybe you art to do a little checking around with real estate people or the tax office. I done told you I don't know much about this property stuff, that's why I was asking these questions. I reckon you folks like to speculate a whole lot.
please cite law

Dahlonega, GA

#49 Jan 5, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
The requirements were changed, and clarified, in 2011. Individual counties could waive the 10-acre minimum or combine less than 10-acre parcels to meet the minimum. If the same standard were applied across the county where is the violation of the Equal Protection Clause, for those caliming that it was not appiled equally across the county, the burden of proof is on those making the charge. For a discussion of what was applicable prior to 2011 you'll need to look at state law before the change.
All the Georgia.gov websites I visited says minimum of 10 contiguous acres. It seems that I had read a year of so ago about some more paperwork to fill out if it wasn't 10 acres in order to get a possible waiver on the 10 acres. However, as I recall it wasn't a waiver on the contiguous requirement. Please cite the Georgia law regarding the requirements. Thanks.
Law Cited

Commerce, GA

#50 Jan 5, 2013
The M0untains V0ice wrote:
<quoted text>
http://tinyurl.com/cttmc6c <<read 12 page pdf report
Looking at pages 9 and 10 of MV's report I see that the document Dinah Paris falsified has "The Law" cited clearly IN THE VERY APPLICATION DOCUMENT. This report by MV is rather comprehensive. It has copies of the documents, plats, deeds. That document is the UNION COUNTY Tax Assessor Application and it cites clear laws. The property doesn't meet those laws. It is clear and simple enough that a fifth grader could understand it. MV suggested someone should distribute that report. If ACOG or any citizens group will provide a public distribution plan and cost estimate to complete said plan I would donate money to get this information out to the citizens in order to help put pressure on an investigation. I suggest a quick review of the facts, extra research if needed to add and clarify to the report based on issues raised in these topix discussion threads, and then mass printing and distribution by flyers, full reports or email links to this document. We cannot count on the Newspaper to report this to the citizens. Someone needs to get this information distributed.
Concerned Citizen

Dahlonega, GA

#51 Jan 5, 2013
please cite law wrote:
<quoted text>
All the Georgia.gov websites I visited says minimum of 10 contiguous acres. It seems that I had read a year of so ago about some more paperwork to fill out if it wasn't 10 acres in order to get a possible waiver on the 10 acres. However, as I recall it wasn't a waiver on the contiguous requirement. Please cite the Georgia law regarding the requirements. Thanks.
Sure looks like the property is contiguous to me. There are two roads that go between the three parts of this parcel, but they are contiguous. But then, some of you fools would argue with a blind mule instead of actually asking someone who knows a bit about real estate.
Law Cited

Commerce, GA

#52 Jan 6, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure looks like the property is contiguous to me. There are two roads that go between the three parts of this parcel, but they are contiguous. But then, some of you fools would argue with a blind mule instead of actually asking someone who knows a bit about real estate.
1) Current tax parcel map you see is a recent change, years after the application was filed. It's called going back and covering your tracks, and there should be records associated with it that could be requested by Open Records.

2) It seems to me that a bit of that land is also an already permanently protected "Stream Buffer? According to the following laws, that isn't allowed either.

**********
What types of land are not eligible for a conservation tax credit?

Some types of land are categorically ineligible for a conservation tax credit. These lands include areas that are already PERMANENTLY protected from development under local ordinances, such as STREAM BUFFERS, zoning limits and conservation subdivisions. Ineligible lands also include areas that are, or will be, designated to support active recreation, such as golf courses, athletic fields and other ‘resource intensive’ uses.
**********
Thats from the following State Website:
http://glcp.georgia.gov/tax-credit-program-fa...

This issue seems to have more and more questions. Seems like someone would ask a formal question of the Tax Assessors Office, and they should reply and clarify.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#53 Jan 6, 2013
please cite law wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
All the Georgia.gov websites I visited says minimum of 10 contiguous acres. It seems that I had read a year of so ago about some more paperwork to fill out if it wasn't 10 acres in order to get a possible waiver on the 10 acres. However, as I recall it wasn't a waiver on the contiguous requirement. Please cite the Georgia law regarding the requirements. Thanks.
Sorry, I'm not a lawyer and I don't have the resources available to cite applicable law in 2009, or cite the policy that the county was operating under at that time. It's obvious that less than 10-acre exemptions were available, as was the combining of less than 10-acre parcels, and it's obvious that the state changed the law in 2011. But again the burden of proof is on those making the charge of favored and uneven application of policy within the county at that time.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#54 Jan 6, 2013
ACOG wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g... (post1)
In the NGN 1/2/13 The Union County Tax Appraiser's office place a article on page 13A.
"The deadline is April 1,2013 for filing homestead and other specialized exemptions in the Union County Tax Appraiser's Office."
"Please be aware, if you do not apply by April 1st, you will NOT receive exemptions for the upcoming tax bill, NO exceptions."
Susie Phillips you set a precedence in Union County WHEN YOU signed Dinah and Lamar Paris personal residence at 246 Riverbend Rd application and questionaire for current assessment of BONA FIDE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. You signed the document on September 30, 2009 and wrote it BEGINS JAN. 1, 2009 Ends Dec. 31, 2018.
Now what did you write in the paper???? "NO EXCEPTIONS" You should have wrote "Unless you are the wife of the commissioner and this is Lamar's personal residence. But the precedence has now been set.

This document can be found in the courthouse Record book 814 page 691-692.

So if you don't make it in by April 1st refer back to this document. You should get the same fair treatment. That's what Union County is all about treating each and every individual citizen the same. NO EXCEPTIONS!
I went to the Deed Book and Page you cite and found two other Conservation Restrictions signed and filed during the same September 2009 time frame, wondering...

Have you asked the Tax Assessor why these appear to be late filings, what is the context surrounding these filings?

Why have you focused your attention solely on Lamar Paris and not included these other two property owners in your scrutiny?

Have you preformed a search to see if any other Conservation Restrictions were filed, approved, and recorded in 2009 after April first?
Lamar

Dawsonville, GA

#55 Jan 6, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
I went to the Deed Book and Page you cite and found two other Conservation Restrictions signed and filed during the same September 2009 time frame, wondering...
Have you asked the Tax Assessor why these appear to be late filings, what is the context surrounding these filings?
Why have you focused your attention solely on Lamar Paris and not included these other two property owners in your scrutiny?
Have you preformed a search to see if any other Conservation Restrictions were filed, approved, and recorded in 2009 after April first?
Way to go Oh My. Good question and she want be smart enough to come back with the fact that I am supposed to be the elected leader of this county and am suppose to be above approach. Like I said Oh My you are my hero.
My Two Senses

Dahlonega, GA

#56 Jan 6, 2013
How do ya'll interpret thise section of Georgia law?

GEORGIA CODE
Copyright 2012 by The State of Georgia
All rights reserved.

*** Current Through the 2012 Regular Session ***

TITLE 48. REVENUE AND TAXATION
CHAPTER 5. AD VALOREM TAXATION OF PROPERTY
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

O.C.G.A.§ 48-5-7.4 (2012)

§ 48-5-7.4. Bona fide conservation use property; residential transitional property; application procedures; penalties for breach of covenant; classification on tax digest; annual report

...

(2)(A) As used in this paragraph, the term "contiguous" means real property within a county that abuts, joins, or touches and has the same undivided common ownership. If an applicant's tract is divided by a county boundary, public roadway, public easement, public right of way, natural boundary, land lot line, or railroad track, then the applicant has, at the time of the initial application, a one-time election to declare the tract as contiguous irrespective of a county boundary, public roadway, public easement, public right of way, natural boundary, land lot line, or railroad track.
drda

Cornelia, GA

#57 Jan 6, 2013
The M0untains V0ice wrote:
<quoted text>
http://tinyurl.com/cttmc6c <<read 12 page pdf report
There was actually a lot more to that story than just Susie bending the rules for the Commisioner Paris and his wife Dinah. Dinah was falsifying tax records, and acreage was being changed in the Tax Assesor's Office. If my math is correct, Lamar & Dinah Paris managed to avoid approximately a $90,000 Basis Property Tax liability by falsifying documents. A 12 Page report that contained all the documents one would assume were necessary to prove illegal hanky panky, and possibly put someone in jail, and get Susie fired was assembled.
~ That report was forwarded to Ms Phillips. No response.
~ That report was forward to the North Ga News. No peep of a story.
~ That report was given to D.A. Langley. That worthess piece of cow pie was completely silent and non-responsive.
If it were my county, I'd be forwarding this PDF link across emails to the entire county. It ain't a sexy criminal violation. But it's got teeth - just like what sank Al Capone. It's falsifying records and tax evasion. It's manipulation of records in the tax assesors office. It's proof of favoritism. It's al lot of things - and all of them proved in the report.
A good D.A. could prosecute this in his sleep. Problem is... Langely isn't a "Good" D.A.
12 Page PDF Report is at this link ~
http://tinyurl.com/cttmc6c
These Documents need to be taken to the Tax Commissioner in Atlanta and a Complaint Filed.. Also IF the DA does not act on the theft of fund the FBI is more than willing to take these type cases.. The DA is liable as well now since it was brought to his attention and he failed to act on behalf of the citizens of your county

Someone needs to stand for the county and go to the next step with this if you want these type things to stop...
Nuts Are Back

Dahlonega, GA

#58 Jan 6, 2013
My Two Senses wrote:
How do ya'll interpret thise section of Georgia law?
GEORGIA CODE
Copyright 2012 by The State of Georgia
All rights reserved.
*** Current Through the 2012 Regular Session ***
TITLE 48. REVENUE AND TAXATION
CHAPTER 5. AD VALOREM TAXATION OF PROPERTY
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
O.C.G.A.§ 48-5-7.4 (2012)
§ 48-5-7.4. Bona fide conservation use property; residential transitional property; application procedures; penalties for breach of covenant; classification on tax digest; annual report
...
(2)(A) As used in this paragraph, the term "contiguous" means real property within a county that abuts, joins, or touches and has the same undivided common ownership. If an applicant's tract is divided by a county boundary, public roadway, public easement, public right of way, natural boundary, land lot line, or railroad track, then the applicant has, at the time of the initial application, a one-time election to declare the tract as contiguous irrespective of a county boundary, public roadway, public easement, public right of way, natural boundary, land lot line, or railroad track.
That pretty much takes all the air out of these hot air buffoons. Sorry, no, I'm wrong, even when confronted with the facts of law, they will still cry foul.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#59 Jan 6, 2013
Nuts Are Back wrote:
<quoted text>
That pretty much takes all the air out of these hot air buffoons. Sorry, no, I'm wrong, even when confronted with the facts of law, they will still cry foul.
Parcel 087 003a

http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/qpmap4/map_union....

Isn't it neat how they took the 4.5 acres of land and cut around it to get 3.5 acres to add with their land!
clarification

Dahlonega, GA

#60 Jan 6, 2013
ACOG wrote:
<quoted text>
Parcel 087 003a
http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/qpmap4/map_union....
Isn't it neat how they took the 4.5 acres of land and cut around it to get 3.5 acres to add with their land!
That seems hard to term the land as contiguous.
Duh

Dawsonville, GA

#61 Jan 6, 2013
TITLE 48. REVENUE AND TAXATION
CHAPTER 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

O.C.G.A.§ 48-1-7 (2012)

§ 48-1-7. Fraudulent use of exemption certificate to evade taxes; penalty

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to attempt to evade the taxes imposed by this title by virtue of a certificate of exemption obtained through fraud or by using a certificate of exemption to which he is not entitled.

(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Nuts Are Back

Dahlonega, GA

#62 Jan 6, 2013
ACOG wrote:
<quoted text>
Parcel 087 003a
http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/qpmap4/map_union....
Isn't it neat how they took the 4.5 acres of land and cut around it to get 3.5 acres to add with their land!
Not really, since it was already their land.

You just can't stand losing, can you, Little Linda? It's not good form to be a sore loser, now darling.

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