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Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#41 Oct 13, 2013
froggy wrote:
<quoted text>I'll type it really slow. Congress shut down the Gov't when they failed to pass a clean bill funding government operations for the fiscal year. This was an attempt to defund a law passed by Congress and signed into law and affirmed by the Supreme Court of the US. The president does not negotiate with terrorists. All this to deny health-care to Americans.No matter how many times you lie about the shutdown I will state the facts.
Great post.

Completely factual and accurate.

Watching the blackmailers blame their target for the results of their blackmail is entertaining.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#42 Oct 13, 2013
Right Wing Nut III wrote:
<quoted text>Your facts are a wrong. The Republicans wanted a 1 year delay in the individual mandate in the AFA. They also wanted cut in the horrendous spending the Gov is precipitating. They cannot defund anything without the Senate and President,and they don't have these. Also the Republicans would never deny healthcare to Americans. They do not want bigger Government, and want a private regulated Healthcare System.
You do understand how self-contradictory your own post is.

You say, truthfully, that Right Wing Republicans threatened to, and did, harm America by shutting down the government,
unless Obama surrendered and delayed enforcing the Law, as passed by Congress, signed by the President, and ruled Constitutional by give Supreme Court.

That is the definition of extortion, blackmail, and terrorism.

At least Al Queda doesn't attack our Constitution and try to destroy our government.

Right Wingers - now a minority, how they hate democracy.
Truth

Toccoa, GA

#43 Oct 13, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
You do understand how self-contradictory your own post is.
You say, truthfully, that Right Wing Republicans threatened to, and did, harm America by shutting down the government,
unless Obama surrendered and delayed enforcing the Law, as passed by Congress, signed by the President, and ruled Constitutional by give Supreme Court.
That is the definition of extortion, blackmail, and terrorism.
At least Al Queda doesn't attack our Constitution and try to destroy our government.
Right Wingers - now a minority, how they hate democracy.
Yet you still can't tell the difference between democracy and socialism.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#44 Oct 13, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you still can't tell the difference between democracy and socialism.
It's easy:

One is political system;
the other is an economic system.

Kind of like the difference between elected representatives negotiating over legislation,
vs.
elected representatives, having lost the elections, threaten to destroy America's economy unless the majority surrenders to their terroristic blackmail.

The former is their job,
the latter is treason.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#45 Oct 13, 2013
How hard are Right Wing Republicans working to prevent America and the Obama Administration from succeeding ?

Why don't the Democrats in Congress just force a vote on the spending bill already passed by the Senate?

Because less than two hours before the government shutdown, House Republicans enacted a special rule that prevents anyone but the majority leader from introducing a bill to fund the

On Eve Of Shutdown, House GOP Rigged The House Rules To Prevent Democrats Reopening Government

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/10/10/2...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#46 Oct 14, 2013
Right Wing Nut III wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Your facts are a wrong. The Republicans wanted a 1 year delay in the individual mandate in the AFA. They also wanted cut in the horrendous spending the Gov is precipitating. They cannot defund anything without the Senate and President,and they don't have these. Also the Republicans would never deny healthcare to Americans. They do not want bigger Government, and want a private regulated Healthcare System.
Yep, and there are established procedures available to TRY and obtain these goals, procedures that allow for compromise to be reached when differences arise, when these are ignored...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/12/1246...
“The budget is up to the President and he didn’t do one,” is the answer I got on Friday when I called my House representative’s office to ask why the government was shut down.

...And the glib, self-satisfied, snotty Luke Russert sound-alike on the phone didn’t hesitate for a nanosecond after my question.“The budget is up to the President and he didn’t do one.”

I didn’t hesitate either and I politely offered him a civics lesson.“Do you have a copy of the Constitution there or a laptop in front of you? The Constitution authorizes Congress, only, to appropriate money for spending. Not the President.”

“Luke’s” juvenile mocking tone showed he wasn’t impressed.“Yeah, well, Congress gets the budget from the President and he never sent it this year.”

I answered the only way I could.“The President’s Fiscal Year 2014 Budget was posted on the Congressional Budget Office website earlier this year and the CBO analyzed it and published its findings online.“

“Luke” tried to interrupt me but I wasn’t done speaking.“You know, this isn’t the first year ever for Congress to work on fiscal matters. The budget process is outlined in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 with a calendar of deadlines to keep the process on track for completion before the fiscal new year on October 1. You can find that on the Budget Committee page for the House and Senate. The required deadlines were very important to the Republicans in January and they introduced the No Budget No Pay Act because they wanted strict adherence on the deadlines. It was passed in the House and Senate and the President signed it. The House and Senate passed their budgets by the deadline and what happened after that? Why weren’t the rest of the deadlines on the calendar completed?”

“Luke” didn’t sound so cocky anymore.“But the President has to negotiate.”

I told him to look at the calendar of deadlines.“The House and Senate have to go to conference to reconcile the differences between their two budget resolutions. When Reid tried to get the process started in the Senate, the usual suspects from the GOP rose one by one with objections. This was a charade that went on for weeks. They made it clear that they wanted the Democrats consent agreement in advance on all of the elements in the Ryan budget passed by the House or there would be no conference. They were the ones who didn’t want to negotiate. Read the verbatim transcripts in the Congressional Record from April 24 to May 15. The Republicans never even appointed conferees to the conference because they didn’t want to negotiate. Instead they let the clock run out on the fiscal year knowing that they made no appropriations for the new fiscal year. They didn’t even reauthorize 2013 spending to avoid disruptions on October 1. They thought it would be easier to extract concessions from the Democrats once they were faced with the urgency of a government shutdown. The President is wise not to negotiate with Republican extortionists.“
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#47 Oct 14, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, and there are established procedures available to TRY and obtain these goals, procedures that was posted on the Congressional ....“verbatim transcripts in the easier to extract concessions from the Democrats once they were faced with the urgency of a government shutdown. The President is wise not to negotiate with Republican extortionists.“
We can only hope that the President hold firm, even if it results in the government defaulting on debt.

The increased trillions of costs incurred as the default raises the cost of financing our debt;
the increased costs to consumers as interests rates rise;
the drop in housing prices and new construction as the demand for housing drops;
the plummeting 401K values; and
the pain and suffering of Americans that rely on Social Security, Medicare, the V.A. and Medicaid;
might finally overcome the hubris of the Right Wing Teapunlicans,
intent in obtaining through terrorist extortion,
what the have been denied at the ballot box.

Just as the Southern Coalition threatened to destroy America should Lincoln be elected;
the current Southern Coalition is attempting to destroy America,(while collecting government benefits of course), after Obama was elected.

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