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Wildnfree

Dawsonville, GA

#1 Jan 29, 2013
Well here is the scoop... The pastor elected.a few men as Deacons,went thru the year trial period and were ordained. One of the deacons was also on the budget com. and had concerns with the gas /fuel consumption in this economy,that says alot...u budget a number for the year, then it's anybody's guess.i ask u this...1 soul led 2 God, was that worth the price of gas???
a question

Blairsville, GA

#2 Jan 29, 2013
Wildnfree wrote:
Well here is the scoop... The pastor elected.a few men as Deacons,went thru the year trial period and were ordained. One of the deacons was also on the budget com. and had concerns with the gas /fuel consumption in this economy,that says alot...u budget a number for the year, then it's anybody's guess.i ask u this...1 soul led 2 God, was that worth the price of gas???
The pastor elected a few men as deacons? It's usually the church members that elect deacons if it's a Baptist church.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#3 Jan 29, 2013
Wildnfree wrote:
God, was that worth the price of gas???
Same thing I ask myself every time I eat at Taco Bell.
The Jokes on You

Blairsville, GA

#4 Jan 29, 2013
Floridian wrote:
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Same thing I ask myself every time I eat at Taco Bell.
Is that what I've been smelling? Dang, I thought Slowpok was back in town!
total control

Dawsonville, GA

#5 Jan 29, 2013
Wildnfree wrote:
Well here is the scoop... The pastor elected.a few men as Deacons,went thru the year trial period and were ordained. One of the deacons was also on the budget com. and had concerns with the gas /fuel consumption in this economy,that says alot...u budget a number for the year, then it's anybody's guess.i ask u this...1 soul led 2 God, was that worth the price of gas???
Was this at HGBC? I didn't think pastors were suppose to elect deacons or be a deacon if they are on the payroll. That would be a conflict of interest.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#6 Jan 29, 2013
The Jokes on You wrote:
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Is that what I've been smelling? Dang, I thought Slowpok was back in town!
You probably just forgot to flush the toilet again. Those new-fangled indoor toilet thingys are more trouble than the outhouse you are used to.
Millie

Commerce, GA

#7 Jan 30, 2013
Has anyone seen his letter of resignation? Interesting!
jingle

Dawsonville, GA

#8 Jan 30, 2013
Millie wrote:
Has anyone seen his letter of resignation? Interesting!
No. Was it written on a dollar bill?

Since: Jun 09

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#9 Jan 30, 2013
Letter is/was on the church's website. Pastor was heavy into the Southern Baptist Convention and its entities. In most Baptist churches the pastor can be the moderator at business meetings (conference). In my church women do not speak unless is is an open discussion and the church goes out of conference only for the discussion then back in for the rest of the session. A pastor can give his opinion about who is a good candidate for a deacon but the deacon board usually acts on this. There is an ordination service in which several pastors can speak and take part as they charge the deacon(s) and wives.
Keep in mind some Baptist churches have eased so many rules it no longer resembles a Baptist church.
2centsworth

Dawsonville, GA

#10 Jan 30, 2013
I know nothing about this church or it's leaders, but I will say, reading all this makes me realize that I made the right choice to worship at my OWN house and to make God front and center. My house is God's house. As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord. I don't think that as Christians we necissarily have to attend a "church". We can make our homes and our bodies our church. It's how we live our lives that shows people the love of Christ shining thru. You know the ole' saying, Going to church doesn't make you a Christian, just like standing in your garage doesn't make you a car.
BUT, with all that said, it is my choice how I choose to worship, just as it is each individials choice to decide what is best for them. Don't tear God's house down over Man made disagreements. Carry on, and let them carry on and all will work out for the good of God. He takes care of us all. My prayers are for this church and the leaders that alledged stepped down. Truly it is no ones business but those involved. But, no one is doing any favors to organized religion by bringing up mud slinging on Topix. I mean, really? Agree to disagree and move forward. If you keep looking backward, eventually that's where you'll end up. Instead focus on the good. And leave these people alone! They are all good people just as you and I are, and most importantly they are HUMAN. Now that's my two sense worth for the day. God is not showing himself in any of you who want to bash the church and the individuals allegedly involved.
2centsworth

Dawsonville, GA

#11 Jan 30, 2013
And i'll say it again, leave these people alone. They are as good as any of us. "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." Romans 3:23 - Notice the word "ALL". Move forward and bring God with you, he will lead ALL in the right direction if we follow him. But we will stumble, but by his grace, we are forgiven.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#12 Jan 30, 2013
Laurel Wood wrote:
Letter is/was on the church's website. Pastor was heavy into the Southern Baptist Convention and its entities. In most Baptist churches the pastor can be the moderator at business meetings (conference). In my church women do not speak unless is is an open discussion and the church goes out of conference only for the discussion then back in for the rest of the session. A pastor can give his opinion about who is a good candidate for a deacon but the deacon board usually acts on this. There is an ordination service in which several pastors can speak and take part as they charge the deacon(s) and wives.
Keep in mind some Baptist churches have eased so many rules it no longer resembles a Baptist church.
It always bothered me women could not speak.
reminder

Toccoa, GA

#13 Jan 30, 2013
Let me share a story. I wanted to visit a local church. The pre-recorded telephone message stated that service times were at 9 am & 10:30 am. I decided to go to the 9 am service, but when I arrived there was no service. When I asked why, it was explained to me that the first service had been discontinued due to poor attendance.

As we were talking, one of the "deacons" started shouting about, "The Dome on the Hill." "A dome on the hill, brother! I tell you it's been prophesied that we're going to have a dome on the hill! It's a dome on the hill that the Lord wants us to build!" And the price tag for this "Dome on the Hill" was enormous. This congregation was closing services because they couldn't attract the people - and the Lord was supposedly telling them that if they had a better, fancier, bigger building - then THAT would attract the people. According to the shepherds of this flock, the Lord was saying, "Gather up the tithes and build a bigger building…. And they will come!"

It is not the buildings that attract the lost. It is gentle words of kindness, and actions of love. Jesus didn't have a building. He took his love and kindnesses to the world.

Many shepherds, as stewards, gather the tithe of the Lord to build endless buildings (and feed themselves). They are poor stewards in that they should have built foundations in the hearts of men instead. They have lost the path of love, and have become blind.

Again I say to search the scriptures of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, if you would see the nature of these stewards:
• Isaiah 56: 11,12
• Jeremiah 23:1-4; Jeremiah 23: 16-22
• Ezekiel 34: 1-10

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#14 Jan 30, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>It always bothered me women could not speak.
I don't know why that would bother you. My take is if you want women to rule a church so be it but you are going to have some big messes. If you want your men to be strong at home and in the church let them make major decisions. That is not saying women do not have their place. I am a stand by your man type woman, build him up in the right ways, discuss everything together and let the communication lines always be open. I believe the Bible says ask your husband at home. Gossip surrounds this one church as well as many others but HGB is only one isolated incident right now and I am confident it will all work out in the wash. There are some awesome people there. Rev. Dyer is a good preacher, I do not know him personally.
The Jokes on You

Blairsville, GA

#15 Jan 30, 2013
Floridian wrote:
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You probably just forgot to flush the toilet again. Those new-fangled indoor toilet thingys are more trouble than the outhouse you are used to.
I did flush, and what I flush usually ends up down in Florida.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#16 Jan 30, 2013
Laurel Wood wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know why that would bother you. My take is if you want women to rule a church so be it but you are going to have some big messes. If you want your men to be strong at home and in the church let them make major decisions. That is not saying women do not have their place. I am a stand by your man type woman, build him up in the right ways, discuss everything together and let the communication lines always be open. I believe the Bible says ask your husband at home. Gossip surrounds this one church as well as many others but HGB is only one isolated incident right now and I am confident it will all work out in the wash. There are some awesome people there. Rev. Dyer is a good preacher, I do not know him personally.
From my experiences , women usually keep most churches going. They are always cleaning, cooking entertaining the troops and so on. Why would they not be included in the business end of running the church? Yes I know what the Bible says about it. Just a little curious, do women really subject their selves to men... really in their heart?
suggestion

Dawsonville, GA

#17 Jan 30, 2013
reminder wrote:
Let me share a story. I wanted to visit a local church. The pre-recorded telephone message stated that service times were at 9 am & 10:30 am. I decided to go to the 9 am service, but when I arrived there was no service. When I asked why, it was explained to me that the first service had been discontinued due to poor attendance.
As we were talking, one of the "deacons" started shouting about, "The Dome on the Hill." "A dome on the hill, brother! I tell you it's been prophesied that we're going to have a dome on the hill! It's a dome on the hill that the Lord wants us to build!" And the price tag for this "Dome on the Hill" was enormous. This congregation was closing services because they couldn't attract the people - and the Lord was supposedly telling them that if they had a better, fancier, bigger building - then THAT would attract the people. According to the shepherds of this flock, the Lord was saying, "Gather up the tithes and build a bigger building…. And they will come!"
It is not the buildings that attract the lost. It is gentle words of kindness, and actions of love. Jesus didn't have a building. He took his love and kindnesses to the world.
Many shepherds, as stewards, gather the tithe of the Lord to build endless buildings (and feed themselves). They are poor stewards in that they should have built foundations in the hearts of men instead. They have lost the path of love, and have become blind.
Again I say to search the scriptures of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, if you would see the nature of these stewards:
• Isaiah 56: 11,12
• Jeremiah 23:1-4; Jeremiah 23: 16-22
• Ezekiel 34: 1-10
A very good post and very true. You should have been a steward at HGBC years ago before all the buildings and salaries were approved.
input

Blairsville, GA

#18 Jan 30, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>It always bothered me women could not speak.
1st Cor. 14:34

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#19 Jan 30, 2013
Let's see as a modern woman, you are taught that you are equal to man in every way. You work and earn your own money. You go to church, and pay your tithes. Yet you are not able to express your opinion or concerns; except at home with your husband. But you can at anytime come and clean, vacuum ,and bake items for various reasons for the church. Now this seems like a raw deal to me. I really don't see to many modern women subjecting their self to anyone. If I give my money to anything, I would definitely express my opinion.
Apostle Paul says

Toccoa, GA

#20 Jan 30, 2013
The Apostle Paul has made clear your RULES:

1 Corinthians 14:34,35 - "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

1 Timothy 2:11,12 - "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

SO, IF YOU ARE A WOMAN, and a Christian who believes the bible to be the infallible and complete Word of God.... then you may have your opinion, but please do so SILENTLY, or go ask your husband to explain it to you.

THIS IS THE CHRISTIAN WAY.

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