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Zotar

Dawsonville, GA

#859 Dec 12, 2012
The Daily Kos article posted by Oh my is an outrage, no doubt about it. So far, we are seeing only part of this story which serves to add fuel to the fire at a time when Corporation bashing is fashionable and in some cases, richly deserved.

First, I find it very hard to believe the CEO's claim that he knew nothing about Hostess using a portion of the company's contribution to the emloyee's pension fund for operational purposes.

The rest of this story which may eventualy come out, is that the Bakers Union officials were complicit in this diversion of funds. It is not unusual for a company to call in the Union when the financial future of the company may be at stake. The Union officials could readily see the possibility of their losing approximately $6.4 million annually in union dues.
The Union could very well have suggested this method of diverting pension funds or readily agreed to it when it was suggested by company officials. Either way, it should never have been done. Legal? Yes. But, morally and ethically wrong.

Unfortunately, it seems the media has treated the demise of Hostess as one of humour since they make
Ding Dongs and Twinkies. However, the sad fact is that there are now well over 18,000 more Americans out of work for reasons as yet unknown.
Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#860 Dec 12, 2012
I mis-spelled my own screen name. Way to go, Zoltar.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#861 Dec 12, 2012
Zotar wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...The rest of this story which may eventualy come out, is that the Bakers Union officials were complicit in this diversion of funds. It is not unusual for a company to call in the Union when the financial future of the company may be at stake. The Union officials could readily see the possibility of their losing approximately $6.4 million annually in union dues.

The Union could very well have suggested this method of diverting pension funds or readily agreed to it when it was suggested by company officials. Either way, it should never have been done. Legal? Yes. But, morally and ethically wrong.
Do keep us posted on your speculations.

In the meantime, the union members did accept concessions a few years previous when management pleaded for the need, which did not stop the downhill slide. Course one also has to wonder why the union would claim recent outragous executive pay increases with nary a peep of disclaim from management.

One also needs to look at the products sold by Hostess and wonder how much this contributes to their own decline.
Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#862 Dec 12, 2012
Oh my wrote:
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Do keep us posted on your speculations.
In the meantime, the union members did accept concessions a few years previous when management pleaded for the need, which did not stop the downhill slide. Course one also has to wonder why the union would claim recent outragous executive pay increases with nary a peep of disclaim from management.
One also needs to look at the products sold by Hostess and wonder how much this contributes to their own decline.
Why, thank you. As more speculations enter my most feeble of minds, I will certainly keep you posted.

You make some very good points. However, When the Union complained relative to the Hostess executive's pay raises, they were doing their job. Management could disclaim all they wanted, but, their pay is a matter of public record.

It does appear their product line contributed somewhat to their decline as you state. Companies always have to change to stay with the times and their market. A Twinkie Lite might have saved'em.
Informed Opinion

San Josť, Costa Rica

#863 Dec 12, 2012
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>Why, thank you. As more speculations enter my most feeble of minds, I will certainly keep you posted.

You make some very good points. However, When the Union complained relative to the Hostess executive's pay raises, they were doing their job. Management could disclaim all they wanted, but, their pay is a matter of public record.

It does appear their product line contributed somewhat to their decline as you state. Companies always have to change to stay with the times and their market. A Twinkie Lite might have saved'em.
I am still in mourning for all the children who won't know the joy of consuming a healthy treat made with:

Bleached wheat flour;
sugar made from sugar cane;
sugar from sugar beets; monoglycerides;
diglycerides;
Hydrogenated shortening;
cellulose gum;
and Natural Gas byproducts.
Zoltar

Canton, GA

#864 Dec 13, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I am still in mourning for all the children who won't know the joy of consuming a healthy treat made with:
Bleached wheat flour;
sugar made from sugar cane;
sugar from sugar beets; monoglycerides;
diglycerides;
Hydrogenated shortening;
cellulose gum;
and Natural Gas byproducts.
Try not to feel too bad. There are many other products available to satisfy your kid's craving for a sugar high.

Natural Gas by-products always enhance a taste treat, but, my favorite is, "Contains miscellanous products as filler".
Bored

Clarkesville, GA

#865 Dec 13, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I am still in mourning for all the children who won't know the joy of consuming a healthy treat made with:
Bleached wheat flour;
sugar made from sugar cane;
sugar from sugar beets; monoglycerides;
diglycerides;
Hydrogenated shortening;
cellulose gum;
and Natural Gas byproducts.
Boring.
Zoltar

Canton, GA

#866 Dec 13, 2012
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
Boring.
Very interesting and well thought out post.

Boredom can be a terrible thing.

Just as a suggestion, instead of reading Topix Forum, read "Tom Swift and the Submarine Boys". I assure you, it will be a very mind challenging read.

Sure hope this helps.
Rightwing

Douglasville, GA

#867 Dec 13, 2012
Tony wrote:
We now know for sure Obama is nothing less then a Socialist.
In his speech yesterday he said " If you own a business, you had nothing to do with the success of it, it was Government that made it successful".
That is funny, I thought the government was my biggest competitor and most likely to put me out of business.
His true Socialist wannabe a communist feathers have shown.
That's not what he said,boy i know you feel like a fool now that he has won again ........lol
Informed Opinion

San Josť, Costa Rica

#868 Dec 13, 2012
Tavita wrote:
<quoted text>If you're poor and you steal you go to jail or prison. If you're wealthy and you steal you go to Waikiki or St- Tropez.
Great post.

Accrue enough ill-gotten gains and you get to be senator, governor or run for president, and amazingly, those from whom you stole the money will support you and donate to your cause, so that you and your friends can steal even more from them.

It's the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.

Whoever said that in America there is only one sin - to be poor, is right. Even the concept of "ill-gotten gains" is anachronistic. More's the pity.
Tony

Blairsville, GA

#869 Dec 13, 2012
Rightwing wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not what he said,boy i know you feel like a fool now that he has won again ........lol
No, I'm laughing my as+ off, if you want the truth.
The middle and lower class voted him in and they are getting killed with hidden taxes and they were listing the new taxes taking effect come Jan under the obammy care, lots of different little hidden taxes, like 2.5% on all new joint products and the list goes on.
The idiots that voted for him will pay, me? Not! I'm old enough and made my money, I can legally evade taxes and If SS is not there in 10 years, I don't need it.
I'm enjoying this!
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#870 Dec 13, 2012
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm laughing my as+ off, if you want the truth.
The middle and lower class voted him in and they are getting killed with hidden taxes and they were listing the new taxes taking effect come Jan under the obammy care, lots of different little hidden taxes, like 2.5% on all new joint products and the list goes on.
Can you provide the list of hidden taxes so that others may evaluate you source of amusement ?
Zoltar

Canton, GA

#871 Dec 13, 2012
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm laughing my as+ off, if you want the truth.
The middle and lower class voted him in and they are getting killed with hidden taxes and they were listing the new taxes taking effect come Jan under the obammy care, lots of different little hidden taxes, like 2.5% on all new joint products and the list goes on.
The idiots that voted for him will pay, me? Not! I'm old enough and made my money, I can legally evade taxes and If SS is not there in 10 years, I don't need it.
I'm enjoying this!
Are you serious?? 2.5% tax on joint products? I assume this wouls be a tax on roach clips and pipes. I just don't understand how that tax could be collected.

B.T.W., I hope your health insurance covers re-attachment of your a-s.
Jason

Blairsville, GA

#872 Dec 13, 2012
The only thing smart that waste of skin has ever done.Is surround himself with members worse then him. Thats the only reason hes even still breathing. Well Its a shame the voters that live in the cities need ObamaClause to continue to take care of them. The weak have spoken and hopefully we can get through these four years then move on.
Rightwing

Douglasville, GA

#873 Dec 13, 2012
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm laughing my as+ off, if you want the truth.
The middle and lower class voted him in and they are getting killed with hidden taxes and they were listing the new taxes taking effect come Jan under the obammy care, lots of different little hidden taxes, like 2.5% on all new joint products and the list goes on.
The idiots that voted for him will pay, me? Not! I'm old enough and made my money, I can legally evade taxes and If SS is not there in 10 years, I don't need it.
I'm enjoying this!
You listen to too much talk radio,I have heard that lie told before......Obamacare is the best thing to ever happen to our healthcare.This country needed something to turn around these crooked Insurance companies,copays are high ER room copays are too high....thank God for Obamacare

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#874 Dec 13, 2012
Rightwing wrote:
<quoted text>
You listen to too much talk radio,I have heard that lie told before......Obamacare is the best thing to ever happen to our healthcare.This country needed something to turn around these crooked Insurance companies,copays are high ER room copays are too high....thank God for Obamacare
You are either blind, deaf, or stupid [maybe all 3] to support ANYTHING obummer does or says.
Informed Opinion

San Josť, Costa Rica

#875 Dec 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
<quoted text>You are either blind, deaf, or stupid [maybe all 3] to support ANYTHING obummer does or says.
Now, now, that kind of all hyperbole makes it more difficult to accept that your unhappiness is based on anything other than Right Wing, Fox Noise, misinformation.

It would be very helpful if you were to specify which particular policy you find offensive, and identify especially those that differ from King George the II.

That would be informative and interesting, and even perhaps, persuasive.

But, be warned, it's not gonna be easy.
Rightwing

Douglasville, GA

#876 Dec 14, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either blind, deaf, or stupid [maybe all 3] to support ANYTHING obummer does or says.
Your pillow case is showing please tuck it back in,no body care's......honey boo boo
You know Obama help save your double wide from being repo

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#877 Dec 14, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, now, that kind of all hyperbole makes it more difficult to accept that your unhappiness is based on anything other than Right Wing, Fox Noise, misinformation.
It would be very helpful if you were to specify which particular policy you find offensive, and identify especially those that differ from King George the II.
That would be informative and interesting, and even perhaps, persuasive.
But, be warned, it's not gonna be easy.
Well, the list would be entirely to lengthy to list everything that I dislike about him. But it starts the first time I ever saw him on a political stage when ran for President the first time. I will not comment any further on this. Personaly, I just don't trust him in any form at all.
I pay no attention to FOX Noise nor do I even watch it. Right Wings are idiots in my book. So are Left wings. Most of them are political party boobs. I do not vote for a Party.
I try to vote for the person and honestly, what real choice did any of us have. A Muslim Socialist or a Religious Fanatic.
Big choice there huh!?!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#878 Dec 14, 2012
Rightwing wrote:
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Your pillow case is showing please tuck it back in,no body care's......honey boo boo
You know Obama help save your double wide from being repo
You are a complete dumbass idiot.
If you relly knew me, you would know why also.
You're so right wing you really show your left wing closeted hidden thoughts.

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