Since: Oct 12

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#41 Nov 13, 2012
Leo wrote:
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Really? Victor Hill thought that too, and it cost Clayton County 8.6 million four years ago and they all got their jobs back.
You're absolutely right!

Since: Feb 12

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#42 Nov 13, 2012
Leo wrote:
<quoted text>Really? Victor Hill thought that too, and it cost Clayton County 8.6 million four years ago and they all got their jobs back.
Leo wrote:
<quoted text>Really? Victor Hill thought that too, and it cost Clayton County 8.6 million four years ago and they all got their jobs back.
Right. But Hill gave a reason for firing them rather than simply telling them it wasn't his pleasure they work for him. When a constitutional officer takes office and gives a reason for dismissing employees, then he opens the door for the litigation we saw in Clayton County. This is how the Governer replaces department heads when a new Governer takes office.
Cuzs Cuz

Statham, GA

#43 Nov 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
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You are right that the Deputies serve at the pleasure of the Sheriff, but he can only fire them IF he has a justifiable reason and he BETTER be able to prove why.
32 of the 39 deputies personally paid for, and put an article in the NGN paper telling Mason who they were and why they could not and would not work for him.

Mason's job of getting rid of deadbeats and malcontents just could not have been made any easier.

Let's simplify this for some of you.

How long do you think those same 32 would last if their article had come out against Scott, and for Mason?

I thought so.
big news

Dawsonville, GA

#44 Nov 13, 2012
Cuzs Cuz wrote:
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32 of the 39 deputies personally paid for, and put an article in the NGN paper telling Mason who they were and why they could not and would not work for him.
Mason's job of getting rid of deadbeats and malcontents just could not have been made any easier.
Let's simplify this for some of you.
How long do you think those same 32 would last if their article had come out against Scott, and for Mason?
I thought so.
But the 32 DID NOT come out against Scott. What about the next 32 that come under Mack's regime? Do you feel that they will be perfect, happy, wonderful employees from day one until forever? You think there will be no personnel issues, none? How is it possible that so many deputies felt so strongly against working under Mason? Being in the LE business, could they possibly know something that you, with your rose colored glasses don't know? I hope all goes well with Mason taking over Sheriff. I obviously didn't vote for him. But I wish him well in his four year tenure as Sheriff. Only time will tell.
Employee at Will State

Blairsville, GA

#45 Nov 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right that the Deputies serve at the pleasure of the Sheriff, but he can only fire them IF he has a justifiable reason and he BETTER be able to prove why.
I believe you are incorrect in your assumption on the JUSTIFIABLE reason. If you do your research you'll find that GA is what they call an "Employee at Will" state. In short it means that any employer can fire any employee without reason.
Champ

Watkinsville, GA

#46 Nov 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right that the Deputies serve at the pleasure of the Sheriff, but he can only fire them IF he has a justifiable reason and he BETTER be able to prove why.
Some of them are a lot more worried about being investigated than being fired!
Luca Brasi

Jefferson, GA

#47 Nov 13, 2012
Leo wrote:
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Rank and file officers dusting for prints? I don't know any that are qualified to dust prints. If you really have any experience you know dang good and well finger prints are all show and no go. What are you going to compare them too? Dna is the way its done now.......... finger prints are obsolete.
LEO my a$$ you don't know squat.

Since: Dec 10

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#48 Nov 13, 2012
Union county Tip Line is getting ver active.

The ACOG will continue to take your tips.

It is nice to see that this community is finally pulling together to clean it up.

unioncountytipline@gmail.com

ACOG mailing address:

P.O. Box 1266
Blairsville, Georgia 30514

Thanks, keep the tips coming in

“Honesty & Integrity”

Since: Mar 12

Blairsville, GA

#49 Nov 13, 2012
Retired LE wrote:
<quoted text>You are so right.

Topix posters are clueless to think Mason or anyone else can walk in and start firing everyone. These are county employees and there is a process to work for the county or the state. I don't think most of these gossips have ever had a real job or made over min wage.
Sorry. Georgia is a right to work state.
learn the laws

Jefferson, GA

#50 Nov 13, 2012
Still have to justify the firing, right to work or not. There has to be cause.

Answer this: where is Mason going to find 32 officers in Union County to replace those who placed the ad in the paper?

You all complained that officers were hired from other counties.

Most of you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
learn the laws

Jefferson, GA

#51 Nov 13, 2012
placint an ad in the paper with your name is not cause fyi.
New Guy

Dawsonville, GA

#52 Nov 13, 2012
learn the laws wrote:
Still have to justify the firing, right to work or not. There has to be cause.
Answer this: where is Mason going to find 32 officers in Union County to replace those who placed the ad in the paper?
You all complained that officers were hired from other counties.
Most of you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Where does it say that you have to have a cause to fire someone? If you look on the Georgia Secretary of State webpage under;
EMPLOYMENT AT WILL:
"Georgia recognizes the doctrine of employment at will. Employment at will means that in the absence of a written contract of employment for a defined duration, an employer can terminate an employee for good cause, bad cause or no cause at all, so long as it is not an illegal cause."
New Guy

Dawsonville, GA

#53 Nov 13, 2012
You can also look under O.C.G.A. 34-7-1. Determination of term of employment; manner of termination of indefinite hiring;

If a contract of employment provides that wages are payable at a stipulated period, the presumption shall arise that the hiring is for such period, provided that, if anything else in the contract indicates that the hiring was for a longer term, the mere reservation of wages for a lesser time will not control. An indefinite hiring may be terminated at will by either party.

"Learn the laws", Please look up the laws before you post them.
Cuzs Cuz

Statham, GA

#54 Nov 14, 2012
learn the laws wrote:
placint an ad in the paper with your name is not cause fyi.
I would think that going to the trouble and expense to put ads in a local newspaper detailing reasons not to work for an employer or future employer would seem like grounds to any REASONABLE person for terminating the employment of said employee.

Most reasonable people would also expect common decency to rule and those who were so confident in their blustering and idiotic chest puffing would resign rather than work under the conditions they went to such trouble and expense to document.

Some people still don't understand the very act of a government employee taking a public position under the color of the office they hold is ILLEGAL ( Hatch Act ), and are actually arguing you can prance into a Court room and use that illegal act as some kind of argument for their gross stupidity.

'Learn the Laws'....indeed

Since: Oct 12

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#55 Nov 14, 2012
That's ok folks.
Believe what you want to, but if Mason fires the 32, he and the taxpayers are going to suffer for it in the long run. You can pretty well bet on it.
I just waiting.
great idea

Jefferson, GA

#56 Nov 14, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
That's ok folks.
Believe what you want to, but if Mason fires the 32, he and the taxpayers are going to suffer for it in the long run. You can pretty well bet on it.
I just waiting.
a law suit waiting to happen and Mason is smart enough to know that. to bad topix people don't.
My Opinion

Dawsonville, GA

#57 Nov 14, 2012
I really don't believe Sheriff Elect Mason will storm in and fire a bunch of employees. My guess is he will get rid of a few like Chief Deputy, Captain and maybe as far down as Lt. Individual deputies will most likely be interviewed and if things aren't to Mason's liking he may give them the option to resign. Sheriff Elect Mason is wise enough to know he can't fire all of the deputies, and I don't believe that is his intention and never has been.

The Dispatch office and the Jail are also going to need to be closely examined for staff competency and written policy and procedure. My quess is the Dispatch employees knew a great deal of what was going on (good and bad) within the SO. I believe that because in every one I've been associated with that is the case. In fact I will go out on a limb and say the smaller the organization the more the Dispatch employees are aware of. Because they receive emergency and non emergency phone calls/messages they should be smart enough to figure out when incidents were hushed up or covered up. In fact they may have been instructed to keep things quiet. Is that illegal? Who knows, I guess it depends upon the nature of the secret.

The Corrections employees will also need to be interviewed. I read on Topix that the lady that worked with Stephens wife and was convicted for theft received/s special treatment. If that is true an investigation into why will most likely be initiated. Again favors and you scratch my bacx, I'll scratch yours has got to be controlled.

Someone posted the Sheriff's Office needs to be at the Courthouse, but I disagree. I have no problem with the Sheriff's Office being at the Jail complex but it must be seperate and staffed with fulltime personnel to assure excellent customer service. Dispatchers should not be secretarys for the SO employees. There should be an automated telephone system where anyone can call and leave messages for any SO employee on the force. Dispatchers should receive emergency calls over E911 and than respond with the appropriate action or response.

More to come..
Johnson

Alexander City, AL

#58 Nov 14, 2012
learn the laws wrote:
placint an ad in the paper with your name is not cause fyi.
No, but falsifying records, misusing vehicles, county credit cards and so forth is!
big news

Dawsonville, GA

#59 Nov 14, 2012
Employee at Will State wrote:
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I believe you are incorrect in your assumption on the JUSTIFIABLE reason. If you do your research you'll find that GA is what they call an "Employee at Will" state. In short it means that any employer can fire any employee without reason.
If MM fires everyone that doesn't like him, or feels they couldn't work under him, that would make him chief cook and bottle washer. There would be no one left!
wrong

Canton, GA

#60 Nov 14, 2012
big news wrote:
<quoted text>If MM fires everyone that doesn't like him, or feels they couldn't work under him, that would make him chief cook and bottle washer. There would be no one left!
What's this 00000000000000000000?Scoots county pay check come January1!!

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