Whats up with the Da's: Charges on People that have not committed crimes

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Just Mike

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<quoted text>They lost their license because they had a moving violation with a fine of $150-350 depending on priors. Bet they lost their license because their insurance cancelled them and a person has to have vehicle insurance or not license.

Like I said, the courts will allow payments if a person has a hardship. Just gotta ask the judge.
You sound like an absolute sanctimonious, holier-than-thou jerk! Why not also add that in order to get a payment plan, you are REQUIRED to be "on probation" and, in addition to having to meet regularly with your probation officer, you pay an additional "visit fee" each time.

BTW- I used to think like you do... right up until my 18y/o son, using his parents vehicle, got a ticket for expired (by 40 days!) tag. The insurance WAS in force. Our crap-ass municipal court slammed HIM with a $680 fine, then assessed probation for the term of his "repayment" period. He wouldn't fight this because he is now terrified of LE.

I wrote a letter to Lamar respectfully requesting some relief- he wouldn't do ANYTHING. Now my son has a record- never been in trouble before or since. THIS is why I have very little respect for LE anymore... or the scumbag judge (from Duluth, GA?) that WE pay to visit us once a month to crap upon our citizens.

The local trooper (fattest one I've ever had the misfortune to meet) LIED by telling us to just plead guilty and don't argue. He, the judge and the POS do-nothing Clerk of that court are utter disgraces... and are worthy of ZERO respect. THIS is why LE and the public have become adversaries. It is also why I pray that "karma" really does exist.

Thanks, again, IO for your honest post and service.
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Cornelia, GA

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Seems they are setting the countys and tax payers up for some pretty big liabilities as people are beginning to stand up for their rights. Im happy to see that but fear the cost for the tax payers of this circuit.
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Just Mike wrote:
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You sound like an absolute sanctimonious, holier-than-thou jerk! Why not also add that in order to get a payment plan, you are REQUIRED to be "on probation" and, in addition to having to meet regularly with your probation officer, you pay an additional "visit fee" each time.
BTW- I used to think like you do... right up until my 18y/o son, using his parents vehicle, got a ticket for expired (by 40 days!) tag. The insurance WAS in force. Our crap-ass municipal court slammed HIM with a $680 fine, then assessed probation for the term of his "repayment" period. He wouldn't fight this because he is now terrified of LE.
I wrote a letter to Lamar respectfully requesting some relief- he wouldn't do ANYTHING. Now my son has a record- never been in trouble before or since. THIS is why I have very little respect for LE anymore... or the scumbag judge (from Duluth, GA?) that WE pay to visit us once a month to crap upon our citizens.
The local trooper (fattest one I've ever had the misfortune to meet) LIED by telling us to just plead guilty and don't argue. He, the judge and the POS do-nothing Clerk of that court are utter disgraces... and are worthy of ZERO respect. THIS is why LE and the public have become adversaries. It is also why I pray that "karma" really does exist.
Thanks, again, IO for your honest post and service.
It would seem from your post that you went to city court. If that is true and you live in the city then vote in the upcoming election and help rid Blairsville of crap that is pulled on it's residents.
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Blairsville, GA

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Not true if you are sentenced to pay through Sentinel Probation, they charge a monthly visit fee of up to $42 in addition to your fines. They can also force you to double your payment and hurry and get you off probation. It's a money racket.

Also, those who bond out of jail and then the county or an individual drops charge, they have to hire a lawyer to get the county to reimburse them their bond money. People can't drop $500 retaine fee to recover what it rightfully theirs. So they make a fake arrest, split the money with the bondsman, then drop charge and everybody get's moneyt except for the wronged person. It's a money racket.
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Just Mike wrote:
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right up until my 18y/o son, using his parents vehicle, got a ticket for expired (by 40 days!) tag. The insurance WAS in force. Our crap-ass municipal court slammed HIM with a $680 fine, then assessed probation for the term of his "repayment" period.
You didn't really think you would get away with 'failure to contribute' to the tax commissioner's office cookie jar did you. Just where did you expect everyone there to borrow and steal money....the bank, lol.
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Just Mike wrote:
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BTW- I used to think like you do... right up until my 18y/o son, using his parents vehicle, got a ticket for expired (by 40 days!) tag. The insurance WAS in force. Our crap-ass municipal court slammed HIM with a $680 fine, then assessed probation for the term of his "repayment" period. He wouldn't fight this because he is now terrified of LE.
You are so full of shit. Expired tags!$680 and your son on probation. Who do you think you are kidding!!!! Either you are telling fibs or there is more to this story.
The vehicle owner is responsible for the tags, not your son (the driver) and anyone with a brain knows that. What a lie!!!!!

I drove for a year with expired tags because I'd forgotten about it and was never stopped once. When I renewed at the tag office, the clerk told me I owed for the previous year. I paid it and a small late fee.

Despite your fabulous story, there are ways to pay a fine with the court's permission.
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You are so full of shit. Expired tags!$680 and your son on probation. Who do you think you are kidding!!!! Either you are telling fibs or there is more to this story.
The vehicle owner is responsible for the tags, not your son (the driver) and anyone with a brain knows that. What a lie!!!!!
I drove for a year with expired tags because I'd forgotten about it and was never stopped once. When I renewed at the tag office, the clerk told me I owed for the previous year. I paid it and a small late fee.
Despite your fabulous story, there are ways to pay a fine with the court's permission.
You are incorrect!

My husband was driving my car not tagged to him at all. Just in my name. I forgot to pay my tag and it was late. This happened in the city. HE WAS given the ticket in HIS NAME and the cost was $140.00.
Just Mike

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<quoted text>You are so full of shit. Expired tags!$680 and your son on probation. Who do you think you are kidding!!!! Either you are telling fibs or there is more to this story.
The vehicle owner is responsible for the tags, not your son (the driver) and anyone with a brain knows that. What a lie!!!!!
Thanks for proving (yet again) what a MORON you are. The mega-fatso trooper said that the OPERATOR of the vehicle was the "offender"- NOT the owner. I renewed the tag the following morning and paid the late/reinstatement fees then, as well. This did NOT affect my son's requirement to appear in court whatsoever... and he got SLAMMED!!
Just Mike

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<quoted text>You are incorrect!

My husband was driving my car not tagged to him at all. Just in my name. I forgot to pay my tag and it was late. This happened in the city. HE WAS given the ticket in HIS NAME and the cost was $140.00.
Why didn't he have to go to the idiot city court as my son was forced to do? My boy wasn't permitted to just PAY some amount- he had to appear in court before some traveling jerk-judge that told him he was LUCKY the amount wasn't over $1,000 like it should have been. The judge had the unmitigated GAUL to tell us that what he did was "a very serious violation". Absolutely unreal...
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You cannot be that uninformed as to not know small town courts have but one purpose...MAKE MONEY.

One this is for sure; there was a violation of the law. You screwed up, got caught and had to pay up. STOP BITCHING. You have yourself to blame.

Get a tag, get insurance and grow up.
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You are incorrect!
My husband was driving my car not tagged to him at all. Just in my name. I forgot to pay my tag and it was late. This happened in the city. HE WAS given the ticket in HIS NAME and the cost was $140.00.
. It could have been a lot worse.you might of had to go in front off that sorry ass judge Brackett.
Just Mike

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You cannot be that uninformed as to not know small town courts have but one purpose...MAKE MONEY.

One this is for sure; there was a violation of the law. You screwed up, got caught and had to pay up. STOP BITCHING. You have yourself to blame.

Get a tag, get insurance and grow up.
You UTTERLY STUPID MORON- can't you READ? There WAS insurance in force! And, regarding bitching, don't EVEN try to tell anybody you wouldn't be IRATE if YOU were mandatorily required to appear IN (KANGAROO) COURT for an expired tag! And, THEN, after getting slapped with a $680 fine, you are placed on PROBATION because you can't afford the entire amount right there.

I can't WAIT until YOU have this kind of run-in with the system!! Or, are you "palsey" with the good 'ole boyz in local government? I'll bet you are the fat-ass trooper that issued the ticket, then LIED to us about just showing up to pay only court costs by pleading guilty up-front.

Or... are you just one of the "new breed" of LE officer that IO described in his post? Jerk.
U R NUTS

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Law Enforcement has indeed experienced a dramatic change.

It was a plesant surprise when ‘Informed Opinion’, as we in most cases disagree animatedly, was so spot on with his comments relating to this issue. What an excellent assessment of the core of this issue.

I, also witnessed the same, and as Law Enforcement consistently morphed into a complete totalitarian Police State, we have long lost the initial purpose to PROTECT & SERVE.

The desire to be that protector, that we once directed our children to for help, we find has faded, as it has been replace and become an unreasonable adversary acting in many cases in unjustified militancy for what we one considered minor infractions, that were formally worthy of a simple helpful “reminder or warning”.

We actually had a more sensible outlook, and even thought there were “bad cops,” they did not supercede the ‘good’ who’s belief, that we were the first to evaluate, and to provide help and compassion when warranted was first and foremost.

Don’t misinterpret my comments; I recognize that there are still good, decent, and professional Law Enforcement Officers, nevertheless, their training, direction, strict, and in some cases questionable procedural mandates, disallow and remove the independent judgment calls once allowing US to view THEM as friends other than adversaries.

Unfortunately, current trends indict that this militarizing of Law Enforcement is but yet another step toward the unconstitutional merging of our military for domestic functioning employing and supporting a quickly developing Police State throughout the Nation.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
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It pains me to say it, but you do have a point.
I started in law enforcement in an agency that was too busy to arrest and process people in cases where there was no chance of a conviction - so you learned how to solve problems without necessarily arresting people.
You were truly a "Peace Officer."
We used to give "One-Time" drunks rides home instead of DUIs so they keep their jobs and homes and their kids wouldn't suffer; and when a husband pushed a wife, or the wife threw a pan at the husband, one of them would spend the night with a friend. Most of the time, it worked well.
People respected us because they knew if we took them to jail it was only because they gave us no alternative, so even the people we arrested usually were friendly and even helpful after the event. One night a guy I had arrested for domestic battery fought like hell to protect my butt at a bar fight.
Later, as law enforcement became more about budgets and staffing, LEOs started arresting everyone to generate statistics, under the theory that nobody ever cared if your arrests led to convictions - the stats looked good, the budget needed increased, and everyone was a happy camper.
The good cops fought it, and is always made us angry to see how we screwed up people's lives forever by arresting them and putting them in a system designed to take their money and leave them and their families in a far worse position than before the squad car pulled up.
Now, we send the people into the system to be bled out, then wonder why when they emerge unemployed, scheduled for 27 "schools", with no driver's license, and a criminal record, in a depressed economy, they can't find work to support their families.
Just my take on it.
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There are sooooo many that have not committed a crime... guilty by association or financial situations. Its sad..

But everyone gets whats due them..

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I had very high hopes for Mason when he was elected and I still have those hopes. If it turns out that he isn't all he seemed to be he will still be better than the unsupervised dept. that we had. I have seen our DA at several functions and he seems to be a decent man but unfortunately a man with no balls. I think he would most likely be a very good assistant DA but we or going to have to have a man with the backbone to do what is necessary to clean up this place. I have lived in Union County more years than most people or fortunate to live anywhere. I have seen corruption all those years and we will always have some but not to the point it is today. We have crooked politicians, Crooked business men, and organizations which were suppose to help our lives to be better but have evolved into a way for the directors and management to screw over the general public. I hate to say this but what we need is an outsider with no ties to anyone in the community. He needs to be free to do what needs to be done. Course we have had DA's from other communities and they were not very ethical so maybe the man above will send us one to help us.
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Reb, you are dreaming! One cannot run for office as an "outsider" up here. There will always be ties and favors and money involved in elections. It goes with the getting the job.

The DA is a fine man but I would not have his job for twice the money. His performance is tied to the quality of work handed to him by the police. See a problem here?

The police do the best with that they have. Underpaid, overworked and no leadership. Who would want that job?

Actually, Union County is not the worst place I have seen. It is about typical for America.

What you want is never going to happen.
Welcome to Union County

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<quoted text>You are so full of shit. Expired tags!$680 and your son on probation. Who do you think you are kidding!!!! Either you are telling fibs or there is more to this story.
The vehicle owner is responsible for the tags, not your son (the driver) and anyone with a brain knows that. What a lie!!!!!

I drove for a year with expired tags because I'd forgotten about it and was never stopped once. When I renewed at the tag office, the clerk told me I owed for the previous year. I paid it and a small late fee.

Despite your fabulous story, there are ways to pay a fine with the court's permission.
You are so wrong. The person driving the vehicle is responsible. After looking at your comments you are obviously the one without the brain! Hopefully, you are not involved in any type of law enforcement career with that type of mentality and arrogance.

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Reb, you are dreaming! One cannot run for office as an "outsider" up here. There will always be ties and favors and money involved in elections. It goes with the getting the job.
The DA is a fine man but I would not have his job for twice the money. His performance is tied to the quality of work handed to him by the police. See a problem here?
The police do the best with that they have. Underpaid, overworked and no leadership. Who would want that job?
Actually, Union County is not the worst place I have seen. It is about typical for America.
What you want is never going to happen.
Actually we have had more outsiders than locals in the office of DA. You can't have better unless you try and saying it has always been that way doesn't mean it has to always be that way. The question of leadership in the Sheriff's office is still not decided. I would much rather be a dreamer than a pessimist.
Welcome to Union County

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Reb, you are dreaming! One cannot run for office as an "outsider" up here. There will always be ties and favors and money involved in elections. It goes with the getting the job.

The DA is a fine man but I would not have his job for twice the money. His performance is tied to the quality of work handed to him by the police. See a problem here?

The police do the best with that they have. Underpaid, overworked and no leadership. Who would want that job?

Actually, Union County is not the worst place I have seen. It is about typical for America.

What you want is never going to happen.
I wouldn't be surprised if the second in command eventually gets in there as Sheriff. He has the experience. He is bringing professionalism to the department. Doesn't play favors, pretty straight forward type person.

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