Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#1 Mar 6, 2013

Yes!
Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#2 Mar 6, 2013
Rand Paul Filibuster Spectacle Rivets Senate.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/rand_paul_filibu...
Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#3 Mar 6, 2013
Sen. Paul has been at his filibuster of John Brennan for ten hours.
CSPAN2.
Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#4 Mar 6, 2013
Rand Paul, "“When I asked the president,‘Can you kill an American on American soil?’ it should have been an easy answer. It’s an easy question. It should have been a resounding and unequivocal,‘No.’ The president’s response? He hasn’t killed anyone yet. We’re supposed to be comforted by that. The president says,‘I haven’t killed anyone yet.’ He goes on to say,‘And I have no intention of killing Americans. But I might.’ Is that enough?"
Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#5 Mar 6, 2013
"Are we satisfied by that? Are we so complacent with our rights that we would allow a president to say he might kill Americans? But he will judge the circumstances, he will be the sole arbiter, he will be the sole decider, he will be the executioner in chief if he sees fit. Now, some would say he would never do this. Many people give the president the — you know, they give him consideration. They say he’s a good man. I’m not arguing he’s not. What I’m arguing is that the law is there and set in place for the day when angels don’t rule government."
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#7 Mar 6, 2013
Stand wrote:
Yes!
Rand Paul is right on this one.

Good for him.

I watched Atty. Gen. Holder's testimony today on CSPAN, and damn is he scary on this issue.

Apparently, be it Bush, Obama, or President Bob, since we have an undeclared war on a unidentified enemy, with no delineated borders, that can never end,
President Bob can assassinate anyone, anywhere, anytime, and in any way, including Americans in America.

We should all feel so much safer.

Hey, maybe we can use the shredded copies of the Constitution to start kindling.
Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#8 Mar 6, 2013
Paul promised during the filibuster to continue it for "as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court."
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#9 Mar 7, 2013
It seemed like such a good idea at the time.

Let's call 'em Freedom Fries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_fo...
...That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#10 Mar 7, 2013
Oh my wrote:
It seemed like such a good idea at the time.

Let's call 'em Freedom Fries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_fo...
...That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
I respectfully clarify.

It might have seemed like a good idea to low information Americans, but anyone who ever actually read the Constitution, or understood how governments love to foment fear to increase power, knew, and knows, the Unpatriot Act and the Resolutions to be blatantly illegal and unconstitutional.

Like a law professor once said, you can climb the pasture fence, walk up to a cow, and spray paint the label "Pig" on it - but it's still a cow.

Amazingly, and ironically, the same Right Wing Activist Supreme Court that is terrified the government oppressed Exxon-Mobil by not letting it buy politicians outright, isn't the slightest bit worried about President Bob assassinating civilians, even Americans, whenever he's bored, or he wants his poll numbers to jump.

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#11 Mar 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I respectfully clarify.
It might have seemed like a good idea to low information Americans, but anyone who ever actually read the Constitution, or understood how governments love to foment fear to increase power, knew, and knows, the Unpatriot Act and the Resolutions to be blatantly illegal and unconstitutional.
Like a law professor once said, you can climb the pasture fence, walk up to a cow, and spray paint the label "Pig" on it - but it's still a cow.
Amazingly, and ironically, the same Right Wing Activist Supreme Court that is terrified the government oppressed Exxon-Mobil by not letting it buy politicians outright, isn't the slightest bit worried about President Bob assassinating civilians, even Americans, whenever he's bored, or he wants his poll numbers to jump.


Funny how that works isn't it? Wonder if by citizens they mean corporations too? They are people too. And I am curious if a President Romney were saying the same things would the debate be the same? Everyone fell in love with the aptly named by you"Unpatriot Act". People need to realize that when laws of this nature are put into place their guys aren't always going to be in charge.
Wheeler

Twinsburg, OH

#12 Mar 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I respectfully clarify.
It might have seemed like a good idea to low information Americans, but anyone who ever actually read the Constitution, or understood how governments love to foment fear to increase power, knew, and knows, the Unpatriot Act and the Resolutions to be blatantly illegal and unconstitutional.
Like a law professor once said, you can climb the pasture fence, walk up to a cow, and spray paint the label "Pig" on it - but it's still a cow.
Amazingly, and ironically, the same Right Wing Activist Supreme Court that is terrified the government oppressed Exxon-Mobil by not letting it buy politicians outright, isn't the slightest bit worried about President Bob assassinating civilians, even Americans, whenever he's bored, or he wants his poll numbers to jump.
Don't you mean, "I respctfully back-pedal"? Talk about arguing with yourself. Hope the best man wins.
Informed Opinion

United States

#13 Mar 7, 2013
Wheeler wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you mean, "I respctfully back-pedal"? Talk about arguing with yourself. Hope the best man wins.
Nope.

Sorry nuance and differentiation is so difficult for you to grasp.

I have always maintained Bush and his UnPatriot Act, and the Resolution approving illegal warmaking were illegal and unconstitutional; always maintained Obama was Bush with a brain; always maintained the drone strikes, done by Bush, but more frequently by Obama, were illegal and stupid; and always found amusement in Right Wingers attacking Obama for doing what Bush did, only more effectively.

We understand it's difficult for some to grasp that Obama can be right on the Stimulus Package, right on the need to more fairly tax the rich, and wrong on his maintaining Bush's Right Wing "Bankster" policies.

What's amazing his how Right Wingers continue to attack Obama for doing exactly what they loved - when Bush was doing it.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#14 Mar 7, 2013
Funny how all this (anti)support began to surface when a Republican did not return to the White House.

USA Patriot Act Boosts Government Powers
While Cutting Back on Traditional Checks and Balances
An ACLU Legislative Analysis
1 November 2001
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/l110101a....

When President Bush signed the USA Patriot Act into law last week, he significantly boosted the government's law enforcement powers while continuing a trend to cut back on the checks and balances that Americans have traditionally relied on to protect individual liberty.

"This law is based on the faulty assumption that safety must come at the expense of civil liberties," said Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU's Washington National Office. "The USA Patriot Act gives law enforcement agencies nationwide extraordinary new powers unchecked by meaningful judicial review."

Too Much Power
Jeffrey Rosen
UPDATED SEPTEMBER 8, 2011, 11:54 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/09/...

...From the beginning, Democratic and Republican critics of the Patriot Act warned that its extraordinary surveillance powers would be used to investigate political dissent or low-level offenses rather than terrorism. And their fears were soon vindicated. A 2007 report by the Inspector General of the Justice Department found “widespread and serious abuse” of authority by the F.B.I. under the Patriot Act. Many of those F.B.I. cases involved people with no clear connection to terrorism.

...For example, when the act came up for re-authorization this year, Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, introduced a bill that would narrow the most controversial provision of the act, Section 215, which allows the government to seize “any tangible thing” without a warrant, from e-mails to browsing histories to library records. Wyden’s amendment would have required law enforcement officials to demonstrate that the records were connected to terrorism before seizing them. Unfortunately, President Obama, who supported a similar amendment when he was in the Senate, signed the Patriot Act re-authorization without insisting on the Wyden amendment, or on amendments proposed by two other Democratic senators, Richard Durbin of Illinois and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, which would narrow the roving wiretap authorities in the Patriot Act to terrorism investigation and increase judicial oversight.

Of course, we can’t know precisely how the Patriot Act is being used and misused: Senator Wyden has warned that a secret law allowing the White House to keep its internal interpretations of the act classified means that it is now being used to justify surveillance that goes beyond what the public believes the law allows. But as long as the Patriot Act remains focused on ordinary Americans rather than suspected terrorists, the terrorists -- if you’ll forgive the truism -- have indeed have won.

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#15 Mar 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
Sorry nuance and differentiation is so difficult for you to grasp.
I have always maintained Bush and his UnPatriot Act, and the Resolution approving illegal warmaking were illegal and unconstitutional; always maintained Obama was Bush with a brain; always maintained the drone strikes, done by Bush, but more frequently by Obama, were illegal and stupid; and always found amusement in Right Wingers attacking Obama for doing what Bush did, only more effectively.
We understand it's difficult for some to grasp that Obama can be right on the Stimulus Package, right on the need to more fairly tax the rich, and wrong on his maintaining Bush's Right Wing "Bankster" policies.
What's amazing his how Right Wingers continue to attack Obama for doing exactly what they loved - when Bush was doing it.
How is it you are allowed on here? You actually make sense..
Bored

Dahlonega, GA

#16 Mar 7, 2013
Wheeler wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you mean, "I respctfully back-pedal"? Talk about arguing with yourself. Hope the best man wins.
His unicycle goes both ways.
Stand

Dahlonega, GA

#17 Mar 7, 2013
Paul fires back: Sens. McCain, Graham think 'whole world is a battlefield'

http://thehill.com/video/senate/286881-paul-b...
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#18 Mar 7, 2013
Oh my wrote:
Funny how all this (anti)support began to surface when a Republican did not return to the White House.

USA Patriot Act Boosts Government Powers
While Cutting Back on Traditional Checks and Balances
An ACLU Legislative Analysis
1 November 2001
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/l110101a....

When President Bush signed the USA Patriot Act into law last week, he significantly boosted the government's law enforcement powers while continuing a trend to cut back on the checks and balances that Americans have traditionally relied on to protect individual liberty.

"This law is based on the faulty assumption that safety must come at the expense of civil liberties," said Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU's Washington National Office. "The USA Patriot Act gives law enforcement agencies nationwide extraordinary new powers unchecked by meaningful judicial review."

Too Much Power
Jeffrey Rosen
UPDATED SEPTEMBER 8, 2011, 11:54 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/09/...

...From the beginning, Democratic and Republican critics of the Patriot Act warned that its extraordinary surveillance powers would be used to investigate political dissent or low-level offenses rather than terrorism. And their fears were soon vindicated. A 2007 report by the Inspector General of the Justice Department found “widespread and serious abuse” of authority by the F.B.I. under the Patriot Act. Many of those F.B.I. cases involved people with no clear connection to terrorism.

...For example, when the act came up for re-authorization this year, Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, introduced a bill that would narrow the most controversial provision of the act, Section 215, which allows the government to seize “any tangible thing” without a warrant, from e-mails to browsing histories to library records. Wyden’s amendment would have required law enforcement officials to demonstrate that the records were connected to terrorism before seizing them. Unfortunately, President Obama, who supported a similar amendment when he was in the Senate, signed the Patriot Act re-authorization without insisting on the Wyden amendment, or on amendments proposed by two other Democratic senators, Richard Durbin of Illinois and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, which would narrow the roving wiretap authorities in the Patriot Act to terrorism investigation and increase judicial oversight.

Of course, we canÂ’t know precisely how the Patriot Act is being used and misused: Senator Wyden has warned that a secret law allowing the White House to keep its internal interpretations of the act classified means that it is now being used to justify surveillance that goes beyond what the public believes the law allows. But as long as the Patriot Act remains focused on ordinary Americans rather than suspected terrorists, the terrorists -- if youÂ’ll forgive the truism -- have indeed have won.
Great post.

Ain't it a bitch when you give all power to that Right Wing Republican
White guy in the White House;
then - damn- suddenly that guy is replaced by a Slightly Less Right Wing Black Democrat.

It's the law that matters - not who happens to be in charge any particular day
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#19 Mar 7, 2013
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>How is it you are allowed on here? You actually make sense..
Thanks Dad.

To show my appreciation, I'll bring back that wrench I borrowed.

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