I thank God that I can Sing this song...
Hill Will

Jefferson, GA

#21 Nov 18, 2012
Understanding the Bible

I think it is important as a Christian (Jesus Follower) that we understand where mistakes are in English bibles. I love the KJV, but I read other translations.

Those who believe any Bible is inerrant and those who do not--know almost nothing about textual criticism. It think it is important to know where scribes changed the Bible for whatever reason and where. I think the message is still the same.

Are There Mistakes in the King James Version of the Bible?

Although the original texts of the Bible were inspired by God and are without error, the same cannot be said for later copies of the texts or translations made from them.

Although the original texts of the Bible were inspired by God and are without error, the same cannot be said for later copies of the texts or translations made from them. Translators are human, and many have allowed their own religious biases to influence their work. Usually such mistranslations are relatively minor, but in some cases they are major blunders and promote erroneous teachings and doctrines.

One such blatant error, made by translators of the King James Version, is found in Acts 12:4
, where the word Easter is used . In the original Greek, this word is pascha and refers to Passover, not Easter. Passover is a biblical festival mentioned in Exodus 12:11
, Leviticus 23:5
, Matthew 26:2
, 17 and elsewhere in the Scriptures. In the New Testament pascha is used 18 times and is translated correctly in the King James Bible as "Passover," except in Acts 12:4
, where the error was made. The New King James Version, and virtually all other translations, correct this mistake.

Another serious mistake in the King James and New King James versions is in 1 John 5:7-8

. The latter part of verse 7 and first part of verse 8 did not appear in the Greek texts for the first 1,000 years after the Scriptures were completed. Around the year 500 this portion appeared in the Latin version known as the Vulgate. Apparently the insertion was an attempt to bolster the then-controversial belief in the Trinity. The words added are as follows: "in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth."

None of the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament up to the year 1300 contain these words. "The textual evidence is all against 1 John 5:7
. Of all the Greek manuscripts, there are only two which contain it. These two manuscripts are of very late dates, one from the fourteenth or fifteenth century and the other from the sixteenth century. Both clearly show this verse to be translated from the Latin" (Neil Lightfoot, How We Got the Bible, 1963, pp. 57-58).

Apparently monks who copied the Greek New Testament text in the 14th or 15th century added this verse from the Vulgate. Even the Catholic Jerusalem Bible admits this verse is not authentic and has left it out. Notes in the Jerusalem Bible explain that this was a marginal note in one of the copies of the Vulgate that was added to the late Greek manuscripts already mentioned.

The verse from 1 John 5 should read, as hundreds of the oldest Greek texts and most modern translations read: "In fact there are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are in agreement" (Revised English Bible). This refers to the witness of Jesus Christ being the Son of God (verse 5).
Hill Will

Jefferson, GA

#22 Nov 18, 2012
blairsville devil wrote:
The story of Jesus is a myth.There is no creditable history that he did what the bible claims.According to the bible ,NT if a person believed and prayed their prayer would be answered.This chap Jesus lied,because t6here is absolutely no evidence that any prayer has been answered.
Josephus and Tacita are cited as historical sources. I don't know how reliable they were. Early Jewish-Christians were killed because they were considered atheist, because they wouldn't worship all the gods of that time. They got in trouble with fellow Jews, too. They worshiped in homes and other places outside the public. No doubt...I don't think they would advertise in the news paper, if they would be eaten by lions. They were blamed for the burning of the city they lived in. Of course, you can explain it all away. But can you explain why they didn't just say, Oh this is all fiction. Don't feed me to the Lions. Why would early people suffer such persecution when they could simply deny Jesus Christ and be set free? If someone put a gun to you head and told you to become a Christian of die, would you die or become a Christian?

Even Jesus said, "To follow him, you must become homeless; let someone else bury your dad; don't even say good-buy to your family. Jesus told people to sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasures in heaven. Then come, follow me." And when the rich influential ruler showed up and ask what I must do to inherit eternal life? He didn't say pray a prayer, sign this card, bow your head, and repeat after me, and this guy got free fire insurance. No way, Hosea. It didn't happen that way.

A nice, middle-class American Jesus. A Jesus who is fine with nominal devotion that does not infringe on our comforts, because, after all, he loves us just the way we are. A Jesus who wants us to be balanced, who wants us to avoid dangerous extremes. A Jesus who brings us comfort and prosperity as we live out our Christian spin on the American dream. It is a cheapened gospel, BD.

When we say he doesn't answer our prayers, we are molding Jesus to our image, Mr. Devil. He is beginning to look like us. After all that is who we are most comfortable with. And the danger now is that when we gather in our American church buildings to sing and lift up our hands in worship, we may not actually be worshiping the Jesus of the Bible. Instead we may be worshiping ourselves.

Thanks for the dialog Mr. Devil. Better run, now. I don't blame you for not wanting to follow the true Jesus. But welcome to the to the House of Grace. I enjoy or conversations. Are you willing to die for the godless? Jesus, the friend of sinners...did just that.

“Skin a Floridian”

Since: Aug 09

Hiawassee, GA

#23 Nov 19, 2012
blairsville devil wrote:
Hill Will, I recognize some very good in you.I would like to say the same thing about timmy boy,but he won't listen.This chap is forever making unchristian comments about his fellow humans.I have tried to explain to him for nearly two years that he is living in sin when he makes such statements against we innocent floridians.I don't always hate george Bush, for the misery he has caused on this planet,Sometimes Cheney.It's somewhat the good and the bad The Blairsville Devil is the good and Bush is the bad.To answer your question ,sure I would be the first to offer a hand to bush or any other person in need.Bush is a traitor to the citizens of the world.And an earlier question from you.The story of Jesus is a myth.There is no creditable history that he did what the bible claims.According to the bible ,NT if a person believed and prayed their prayer would be answered.This chap Jesus lied,because t6here is absolutely no evidence that any prayer has been answered.Here is a very simple explaination.If all the believers were to pray that they would win the powerball lottery($250 million)all should win according to this Jesus character.The Blairsville Devil has just as much chance of winning as all the prayers.And You are such an engaging chap ,when I win I will lay some heavy coins on you,and attempt to bring bush to answer for his crimes.
Go get back under yore pile of pink birds han play wiff yoreself ole thing. Don' try to write about things you know nuffin abouts.
blairsville devil

Zephyrhills, FL

#24 Nov 19, 2012
chaingang slow puke.You have alredy lived past the life expectancy for a dumb hllbilly redneck racist.People living in the great state of Florida don't have flamingoes,thats only for you want to be Floridians (superior people)to put on your weed lawns.I am considering building a border about fifty feet high and four feet thick to keep you red necks out of our paradise.Only slaves for Floridians and Cubans will be allowed entry.Now,back in your cave ,until I tell you to exit.
Hill Will

Jefferson, GA

#25 Nov 19, 2012
The first call to the Christian is the call to abandon the attachments of this world. "When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die." Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship. Does anybody out there want to be a disciple?
Hill Will

Jefferson, GA

#26 Nov 19, 2012
David Plat writes in his book, Radical. What if we take away the cool music and the cushioned chairs? What if the screens are gone and the stage is no longer decorated? What if the air conditioning is off and the comforts are removed. Would the Word still be enough for his people to still come together.

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#27 Nov 20, 2012
Hill Will wrote:
The first call to the Christian is the call to abandon the attachments of this world. "When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die." Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship. Does anybody out there want to be a disciple?
Why are you quoting men? You need to be quoting the Bible. The real Bible "The King James Version".

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#28 Nov 20, 2012
blairsville devil wrote:
Right ,you are delusional and have lost all ability for thinking and reasonng.You claim to be a Christian,but you obviously hate people from Florida.That gives a good indication that you are nothing more than a lying hypocrit,of the first order.The Blairsville Devil alwaqys speaks the truth.It hurts ,don't it boy.
We may have opposing views but I love you and that is why I have told you the truth many times on here. If you die lost you are gone to hell.
John

Jefferson, GA

#29 Nov 20, 2012
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you quoting men? You need to be quoting the Bible. The real Bible "The King James Version".
I hateth to telleth thee this my dear brother in Ieous, but thee KJV which I loveth was written by men. Some of thee books of the bible even beareth names of men: Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, etc. Doth thow knoweth your bible?
John

Jefferson, GA

#30 Nov 20, 2012
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you quoting men? You need to be quoting the Bible. The real Bible "The King James Version".
KJO, because...2 Timmy 2:15 says
15 Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diuiding the word of trueth.
16 But shun profane and vaine bablings, for they will increase vnto more vngodlinesse.
BD is going to come over and whop up on thee, if thou doeth not cease thy vaine bablings.
John

Jefferson, GA

#31 Nov 20, 2012
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you quoting men? You need to be quoting the Bible. The real Bible "The King James Version".
Question: "What did Jesus mean when He said,“Take up your cross and follow Me”(Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)?"
frogmann

Pittsburgh, PA

#32 Nov 20, 2012
youtube.com/watch... A-men brother raise sing rejoin now sing the Harmony's

“Dont care how you did it in FL”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#33 Nov 20, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Question: "What did Jesus mean when He said,“Take up your cross and follow Me”(Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)?"
Get saved and you will find out.
voter

Cleveland, GA

#34 Nov 20, 2012
Hill Will wrote:
David Plat writes in his book, Radical. What if we take away the cool music and the cushioned chairs? What if the screens are gone and the stage is no longer decorated? What if the air conditioning is off and the comforts are removed. Would the Word still be enough for his people to still come together.
Yes,Yes and Yes!!!I know of a church with no air conditioning, a pulpit for a stage and wooden benches.And the holy spirit is present every Sunday....cool music is a church piano and Ms.Betty singing off key..that's what I LOVE about Sundays!!!
John

Dawsonville, GA

#35 Nov 20, 2012
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Get saved and you will find out.
Brother Tim, I am a follower of Christ. It is not a trick question. To a person in the first-century, the cross meant one thing and one thing only: death by the most painful and humiliating means human beings could develop. Two thousand years later, Christians view the crossas a cherished symbol of atonement, forgiveness, grace and love. But in Jesus' day, the cross represented nothing buttorturous death. Because the Romans forced convicted criminals to carry their crosses to the place of crucifixion, bearing a cross meant carring their own execution device while facing ridicule along the way to death.

Therefore,“Take up your cross and follow Me” means being willing to die in order to follow Jesus. This is called “dying to self.” It’s a call to absolute surrender. After each time Jesus commanded cross bearing, He said,“For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?”(Luke 9:24-25). Although the call is tough, the reward is matchless.

Wherever Jesus went, He drew crowds. Although these multitudes often followed Him as Messiah, their view of who the Messiah really was—and what He would do—was distorted. They thought the Christ would usher in the restored kingdom. They believed He would free them from the oppressive rule of their Roman occupiers. Even Christ’s own inner circle of disciples thought the kingdom was coming soon (Luke 19:11). When Jesus began teaching that He was going to die at the hands of the Jewish leaders and their Gentile overlords (Luke 9:22), His popularity sank. Many of the shocked followers rejected Him. Truly, they were not able to put to death their own ideas, plans, and desires, and exchange them for His.

Following Jesus is easy when life runs smoothly; our true commitment to Him is revealed during trials. Jesus assured us that trials will come to His followers (John 16:33). Discipleship demands sacrifice, and Jesus never hid that cost.

In Luke 9:57-62, three people seemed willing to follow Jesus. When Jesus questioned them further, their commitment was half-hearted at best. They failed to count the cost of following Him. None was willing to take up his cross and crucify upon it his own interests.

Therefore, Jesus appeared to dissuade them. How different from the typical Gospel presentation! How many people would respond to an altar call that went,“Come follow Jesus, and you may face the loss of friends, family, reputation, career, and possibly even your life”? The number of false converts would likely decrease! Such a call is what Jesus meant when He said,“Take up your cross and follow Me.”
John

Dawsonville, GA

#36 Nov 20, 2012
Timmy_ wrote:
One night God had mercy on a wicked sinner like me. When I came up from that Altar I was a different person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =axlYm9imiEsXX
Timmy:
Are you sure you are not following the American-Jesus. You are a different person, only, if you are willing to DIE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions:
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means the loss of your reputation?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your job?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your life?

In some places of the world, these consequences are reality. But notice the questions are phrased,“Are you willing?” Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean all these things will happen to you, but are you willing to take up your cross? If there comes a point in your life where you are faced with a choice—Jesus or the comforts of this life—which will you choose?

Commitment to Christ means taking up your cross daily, giving up your hopes, dreams, possessions, even your very life if need be for the cause of Christ. Only if you willingly take up your cross may you be called His disciple (Luke 14:27). The reward is worth the price. Jesus followed His call of death to self (“Take up your cross and follow Me”) with the gift of life in Christ:“For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it”(Matthew 16:25-26).
Informed Opinion

Clarkesville, GA

#38 Nov 21, 2012
Timmy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Get saved and you will find out.
Timmy,

We may disagree on many things, but if you are happy with your choices, good for you.

You are free to worship God, or not, as you see fit;
and if you do decide to worship God, you get to chose the religion of your choice, or not;
and if you do, you get to choose a denomination of that religion, or not;
and if you do, you get to choose a specific church in that denomination, or not;
or you can decide that you will worship your God, or not, as an individual in any way you deem appropriate.

That's what makes America great, don't you think?

Gotta love that separation between church and state that makes that all possible.

Happy Thanksgiving.

“Skin a Floridian”

Since: Aug 09

Hiawassee, GA

#39 Nov 21, 2012
Iz believes thet iz will just keep drinkin from my saucer...
Slowpok

Buffalo, TX

#40 Nov 21, 2012
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#41 Nov 21, 2012
Chainsaw Five wrote:
Iz believes thet iz will just keep drinkin from my saucer...
Like a good little dog.

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