Scouts bend over to no-gay policy

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Spread Eagle

Toccoa, GA

#1 Jan 28, 2013
Posted: Monday, January 28th 2013 at 2:11pm
Scouts considering retreat from no-gays policy
By The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) The Boys Scouts of America is considering a dramatic change in its controversial policy of excluding gays as leaders and youth members.

Under the change being considered, the different religious and civic groups that sponsor Scout units would be able to decide for themselves how to address the issue either maintaining an exclusion of gays or opening up their membership.

The announcement of the possible change came Monday after years of protests over the policy including petition campaigns that have prompted some corporations to suspend donations to the Boy Scouts.

Under the proposed change, said BSA spokesman Deron Smith, "the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents."
Spread Eagle

Toccoa, GA

#2 Jan 28, 2013
In Scouting reports, a pattern of molestation

There is no single predator profile, but analysis of confidential files shows 'grooming behavior,' a gradual seduction. For years, Scout officials ignored the advice of experts to study the files.

October 17, 2012|By Jason Felch and Kim Christensen, Los Angeles Times

Map shows locations of troops and units referenced by the Boy Scouts of America in the expulsions of thousands of men following allegations of sexual abuse. The Times has created a database of those so-called perversion files.

The thousands of men expelled from the Boy Scouts of America on suspicion of molesting children came from all walks of life ó teachers and plumbers, doctors and bus drivers, politicians and policemen. They ranged in age from teens to senior citizens and came from troops in every state.

As the Scouts long have said, the files suggest no single profile of a predator. But a close look at nearly 1,900 confidential files opened between 1970 and 1991 revealed a pattern: Many suspected molesters engaged in what psychologists today call "grooming behavior," a gradual seduction in which predators lavish children with attention, favors and gifts.

In hundreds of cases, Scout leaders allowed the boys to drive cars, drink alcohol or look at pornography. They gradually tested physical boundaries during skinny dipping, group showers, sleepovers and one-on-one activities.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#3 Jan 28, 2013
Scouts bend over to no-gay policy

It will get them in the end
Jokes on You

Blairsville, GA

#4 Jan 28, 2013
Floridian wrote:
Scouts bend over to no-gay policy
It will get them in the end
Hey man, don't pick on the gays... they're just trying to make ends meet.

Since: May 12

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#5 Jan 28, 2013
They are not the only ones. Chick-Fil-A, has decides to make new friends also. I guess it is a brave new world.
Out on Loving Rd

Commerce, GA

#6 Jan 28, 2013
Disgusting. Light in the loafer scout leader?
Over my dead body will my kids be involved with that.
big news

Dawsonville, GA

#7 Jan 29, 2013
Just one more sign that we are going down the tubes. And in a hurry too.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#8 Jan 29, 2013
Nothing against gays it's just that they are such a pain in the butt.
not amused

Toccoa, GA

#9 Jan 29, 2013
Had a Scout Leader in our area who for years had rumors swirling around him. Found out that the Regional Boyscouts had launched an investigation after allegations of homesexual activity on a camping trip. 12 & 13 year old boys involved. The facts suddenly got very mirky, lots of no comments, and the church involved clammed up.

These were the Sons of the community. God forbid the people in power were to speak up to help and protect the children, when their precious reputation was at stake.

Homosexuality is unnatural, and placing male adult homosexuals with young boys is just plain stupid. You wouldn't let a heterosexual adult male take your teenage daughter into the woods for a 2 day camping trip would you? An adult male with an active sex drive left unsupervised and put in a position of control and temptation has a great risk of straying where he should not.

The entire fact this is even being discussed as to whether it is a good idea or not is proof enough that there is no common sense left in this country.
Jokes on You

Blairsville, GA

#10 Jan 29, 2013
Floridian wrote:
Nothing against gays it's just that they are such a pain in the butt.


Yeah, you just had to one-up me with that joke... putting it in my face, so to speak.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11 Jan 29, 2013
not amused wrote:
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Had a Scout Leader in our area who for years had rumors swirling around him. Found out that the Regional Boyscouts had launched an investigation after allegations of homesexual activity on a camping trip. 12 & 13 year old boys involved. The facts suddenly got very mirky, lots of no comments, and the church involved clammed up.
These were the Sons of the community. God forbid the people in power were to speak up to help and protect the children, when their precious reputation was at stake.
Homosexuality is unnatural, and placing male adult homosexuals with young boys is just plain stupid. You wouldn't let a heterosexual adult male take your teenage daughter into the woods for a 2 day camping trip would you? An adult male with an active sex drive left unsupervised and put in a position of control and temptation has a great risk of straying where he should not.
The entire fact this is even being discussed as to whether it is a good idea or not is proof enough that there is no common sense left in this country.
Uhmmm, so your theory is that all adult males who molest male children are homosexual. But what if these adult males are participating in a hetrosexual relationship and have a family of their own, wouldn't they be considered hetrosexual. Perhaps this is why adult and minor sexual contact is referred to as pedophilia and not by the gender of the participants.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#12 Jan 29, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Uhmmm, so your theory is that all adult males who molest male children are homosexual. But what if these adult males are participating in a hetrosexual relationship and have a family of their own, wouldn't they be considered hetrosexual. Perhaps this is why adult and minor sexual contact is referred to as pedophilia and not by the gender of the participants.
Well Miss Lions&Tigers&Bears if you had to be around those kinds of people at work you would quickly find out there are different gender preferences in all pedophiles. There is every combination of them that are possible M/F, F/M, M/M, F/F, M/FM, F/FM. There is also the opportunist and the predator type of every one of them. Their preference for children can also be the same as for adults or the opposite or no preference. Homosexual or heterosexual has nothing to do with it, it is a mental illness. They are probably not born that way but have learned it in one way or another, by example or as a defense against some trauma. Contrary to what you hear, many can be successfully treated although "cure" is not something that can be applied to mental illness.
Thanks mom

Toccoa, GA

#13 Jan 29, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Uhmmm, so your theory is that all adult males who molest male children are homosexual. But what if these adult males are participating in a hetrosexual relationship and have a family of their own, wouldn't they be considered hetrosexual. Perhaps this is why adult and minor sexual contact is referred to as pedophilia and not by the gender of the participants.
Let's cut to the chase. Are you going to let your son go camping with a gay scout leader?

Since: May 12

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#14 Jan 29, 2013
Thanks mom wrote:
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Let's cut to the chase. Are you going to let your son go camping with a gay scout leader?
I am sure they would be more than one scout leader present. And how do you know now if a scout leader is gay or not? Do you ever really know someone? Chances are you probably have a gay family member or friend ; and you probably would never know unless they came out.
Thanks mom

Toccoa, GA

#15 Jan 29, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text> And how do you know now if a scout leader is gay or not?
He will have a hot dog/bun merit badge.

Since: May 12

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#16 Jan 29, 2013
We had a gay agriculture teacher in high school. He taught 30 years in the system. He went on numerous trips with students to macon over the years as part of the FFA. When he retired he received awards from the state for his service. While I will admit , he wasn't out and as open as today's gays are, it was a very loose kept secret. Point I was trying to make he was an excellent teacher and mentor. To my knowledge, I never heard of any complaints from students, or teachers.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#17 Jan 29, 2013
Gays will always be the Butt of peoples jokes
not amused

Toccoa, GA

#18 Jan 29, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>I am sure they would be more than one scout leader present. And how do you know now if a scout leader is gay or not? Do you ever really know someone? Chances are you probably have a gay family member or friend ; and you probably would never know unless they came out.
Once Gays are allowed to serve openly, it is my experience that a certain flaunting of this sexual preference occurs. I don't think that such exposure to young impressionable boys, with the beginnings of hormones and curiosities beginning to spring forth would be exactly the appropriate setting for Openly Homosexual Authority Figures and Mentors.

And someone asked the question earlier, which I will answer - the answer being NO, my young sons would not be going out camping with an openly homosexual Scout Leader.
not amused

Toccoa, GA

#19 Jan 29, 2013
turniptown wrote:
We had a gay agriculture teacher in high school. He taught 30 years in the system. He went on numerous trips with students to macon over the years as part of the FFA. When he retired he received awards from the state for his service. While I will admit , he wasn't out and as open as today's gays are, it was a very loose kept secret. Point I was trying to make he was an excellent teacher and mentor. To my knowledge, I never heard of any complaints from students, or teachers.
I understand that there is a fine line. I also believe that the don't ask don't tell policy should exist for school teachers for reasons similar to that provided in my previous comment.

But I also think that comparing teachers to scout leaders is not quite apples to apples. Most teachers interact with their students in a much more public and overseen manner. Not completely, but on average I believe this is the case. We'll never address all possibile combinations of potential scenarios - but that should not stop reasonable and intelligent attempts to minimize potential problems.

“A Just Cause isn't capitulated”

Since: Jan 13

Blairsville

#20 Jan 29, 2013
A Different Argument Why Christians Cannot Support Gay Marriage


It is very important for the survival of the Republican Party to adopt the policy of getting the government out of marriage, period, in order to retain their small-government beliefs and also gain the support of the gay community. But on a religious level, it is also important for young Christians to heed the words of Romans 1:32. Many of the current generationís Christians have been brainwashed by pop culture to support gay marriage, and thatís a dangerous trend.

Even beyond the argument that Jesus Himself affirmed male-female marriage in Matthew 19:4 when he said,ďHavenít you read that at the beginning the Creator Ďmade them male and femaleí?Ē there are other arguments to be made.

I gave the following arguments to a Christian supporter of gay marriage, and after she read these, she told me, reluctantly, that I changed her mind and that she no longer supported gay marriage. She felt guilty about it, but she knew I was right. One down, countless more to go.

God made the human body and he made each piece for a purpose and for that purpose only. The only reason you can see is because your eyes are connected to your brain. If your eyes were on your elbow, they wouldnít work unless your brain was also in your elbow. There is a clear design to everything. A penis and vagina together serve a purpose: procreation, and also attaining oneness with your spouse. A penis in anything else serves no purpose but base, animalistic pleasure.

God made animals male and female. When God made Adam, He saw that none of the animals was suitable for him. Thatís why God made Eve: to make someone suitable for Adam to be with. If the gender of Eve did not matter, God would not have created gender in the first place. God specifically wanted males to be with females. If he wanted males to be with males, he would have made pregnancy possible when a male has sex with a male, and just not created females at all. But God made females specifically because thatís what he wanted males to be with; not other males.

As Christians, we see that the history of the world is a history of increasing corruption. We know that Satan is always trying to corrupt or destroy Godís work. Satan corrupts the minds of those who care more about convenience than about the lives of babies. Satan gets into the minds of politicians who believe itís okay to steal as long as you give the money to those who they think deserve it (even though God said stealing is wrong, period). Satan has corrupted humansí view of sex, too. He has made it so that kids believe sex on the third date is good, as opposed to sex after marriage. Satan has made it so that society doesnít treat marriage with as much respect as they once did, with 50 percent of marriages ending in divorce. In short, Satan corrupts society. Thatís his intention.

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