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Common Sense wrote:
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Do you really believe that sending troops and equipment halfway across the world for an extended period of time didn't cost money?
Do you really believe that an economic downturn of massive proportions doesn't lower revenue?
Do you really believe that asking taxpayers to send less money doesn't mean that there's less money coming in?
Do you really believe that having to pour trillions into failed wall-street schemes didn't cost money?
Really? Are you that clueless?
Maybe you should look up the definition of a Straw Man argument...

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Common Sense wrote:
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Do you really believe that sending troops and equipment halfway across the world for an extended period of time didn't cost money?
Do you really believe that an economic downturn of massive proportions doesn't lower revenue?
Do you really believe that asking taxpayers to send less money doesn't mean that there's less money coming in?
Do you really believe that having to pour trillions into failed wall-street schemes didn't cost money?
Really? Are you that clueless?
Do you really give Obama a pass?
Do you really think he hasn't had his hand in out of control spending?
Do you really think it's Bush's fault when he had a democrat congress(the spenders) for his last two years?
Using your logic, do you really think our country is going to survive an unfunded nationalized healthcare program?
Do you really think investing billions in now bankrupt "green" companies didn't cost money?
Do you really think that voting for a president that has thus far been a dismal failure is smart? Really? Are YOU that clueless?

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Common Sense wrote:
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Do you really believe that sending troops and equipment halfway across the world for an extended period of time didn't cost money?
Do you really believe that an economic downturn of massive proportions doesn't lower revenue?
Do you really believe that asking taxpayers to send less money doesn't mean that there's less money coming in?
Do you really believe that having to pour trillions into failed wall-street schemes didn't cost money?
Really? Are you that clueless?
I really believe you need a lesson in economics.

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General Robert E Lee wrote:
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I really believe you need a lesson in economics.
Unfortunately, many people do...
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Do you really give Obama a pass?
Do you really think he hasn't had his hand in out of control spending?
Do you really think it's Bush's fault when he had a democrat congress(the spenders) for his last two years?
Using your logic, do you really think our country is going to survive an unfunded nationalized healthcare program?
Do you really think investing billions in now bankrupt "green" companies didn't cost money?
Do you really think that voting for a president that has thus far been a dismal failure is smart? Really? Are YOU that clueless?
The problem is that half the country didn't think about the complete failure of this president. Never in my life would I have imagined such an ignorant electorate. Of course the dems are growing their base by expanding the number of government dependent voters.

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Never Ever wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that half the country didn't think about the complete failure of this president. Never in my life would I have imagined such an ignorant electorate. Of course the dems are growing their base by expanding the number of government dependent voters.
What really shocked me about the election was the number of people supporting the record of the POTUSA and his (lack of) accomplishments.

It's one thing to say, "I'm a Democrat, I've always voted that way, I'm going to continue..." Some people just aren't going to change and some people are "married" to being supported by the government...

That (IMHO) has much more credibility than supporting what has been going on and voting without knowing diddly squat about policies, etc. and what out of control spending will do to this country.

There are too many clueless and uneducated voters in this country. Sad thing is, many of them don't care...
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I could (sort of) understand some people getting caught up in the romance of electing this country's first black president. Our treatment of black people over most of the course of this history is nothing to be proud of. We lived in Selma during the bus boycott. I was a baby, so have no memory of it, but it doesn't change the fact that in my lifetime we still had separate bathrooms, separate water fountains, segregation and civil rights workers being murdered. And that would be a history that, if I were black, would still (rightly) anger me immensely. So I do not deny our past. BUT, can anyone look at the progress made in the last 50 years and not say that we are no where near that country anymore. We will always have racists and bigots (on both sides of the black/white divide), but our population as a whole does not share those views. And I will continue to contend that the party of true equality is the Republican party - as I stated in a previous post that I will not repeat here.
Okay, that turned out to be much longer than intended, but my point is that even I, while completely rejecting Obama's agenda, did think it said something good about this country that we had our first black president. However, we now have four years of his presidency to judge him on, and the record is a disaster. So I am still at a loss as to how over half the electorate could possibly consider this man fit to be our president. And I fear the long term effects of his policies will be hard to overcome - Obamacare being the most obvious and his views on energy and taxation coming close on the heels. We must take back the Senate and strengthen our position in the House in 2014.
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Never Ever wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that half the country didn't think about the complete failure of this president.
What we have on our hands is a previous president who completely destroyed the American economy, and a Republican congress who absolutely and utterly failed, intentionally, to serve the needs of this country. Instead they spend 50 million dollars voting THIRTY-THREE times to repeal ACA and then give big-coal some freebies.

America voted for somebody who at least wasn't trying to rape them like the Republicans.
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The denial is strong with some of these Republicans. It's amusing..

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The "cluelessness" and "uneducatedness" of some people is amusing. Sad thing is, they vote without knowing why...

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An uneducated and clueless voter is a dangerous thing. They tend to vote Liberal…

“I don’t want someone who doesn’t pay ANY federal income taxes voting to determine how much I pay.”

"I'm not going to let half the country that doesn't pay income taxes be burdened by the other half that doesn't pay their fair share."

Wizard of ID Guard:“Shouldn’t voters have to pass an intelligence test?”
Wizard:“You don’t have to be intelligent to vote.”
Guard:“What if there are more stupid people than intelligent people?”
Wizard:“Then the democrat wins.”

Wealth envy is an ugly thing. They have it. You don't.

Somebody else got all the breaks. You didn't.

They got an education. You didn't.

They worked their a$$es off, including long hours and weekends. You didn't.

They took risks, including investing their own money if necessary, to build a business. You didn't.

"Shared prosperity" = Socialism...

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Hogwash wrote:
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What we have on our hands is a previous president who completely destroyed the American economy, and a Republican congress who absolutely and utterly failed, intentionally, to serve the needs of this country. Instead they spend 50 million dollars voting THIRTY-THREE times to repeal ACA and then give big-coal some freebies.
America voted for somebody who at least wasn't trying to rape them like the Republicans.
The "rape, as you put it", has yet to happen. Just wait until all the new taxes take full effect over the next two years. Then get back to us.

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Hogwash wrote:
The denial is strong with some of these Republicans. It's amusing..
Denial of what, specifically?
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Denial of what, specifically?
That you won't go for their BS.
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Aggie wrote:
I could (sort of) understand some people getting caught up in the romance of electing this country's first black president. Our treatment of black people over most of the course of this history is nothing to be proud of. We lived in Selma during the bus boycott. I was a baby, so have no memory of it, but it doesn't change the fact that in my lifetime we still had separate bathrooms, separate water fountains, segregation and civil rights workers being murdered. And that would be a history that, if I were black, would still (rightly) anger me immensely. So I do not deny our past. BUT, can anyone look at the progress made in the last 50 years and not say that we are no where near that country anymore. We will always have racists and bigots (on both sides of the black/white divide), but our population as a whole does not share those views. And I will continue to contend that the party of true equality is the Republican party - as I stated in a previous post that I will not repeat here.
Okay, that turned out to be much longer than intended, but my point is that even I, while completely rejecting Obama's agenda, did think it said something good about this country that we had our first black president. However, we now have four years of his presidency to judge him on, and the record is a disaster. So I am still at a loss as to how over half the electorate could possibly consider this man fit to be our president. And I fear the long term effects of his policies will be hard to overcome - Obamacare being the most obvious and his views on energy and taxation coming close on the heels. We must take back the Senate and strengthen our position in the House in 2014.
Nice post. The amazing thing is that the dems had complete control the first two years of bho's presidency and did nothing. No budget, no entitlement reform, no job creation, NOTHING. Except of course obama care, which will further our economic decline. Fact is he does not hide the fact that he is a socialist and half the country does not give a damn, or they are too lazy / uneducated to understand what socialism is.

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Never Ever wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that half the country didn't think about the complete failure of this president. Never in my life would I have imagined such an ignorant electorate. Of course the dems are growing their base by expanding the number of government dependent voters.
Heck! I STILL can't believe he was elected in the first place. THAT was truly astounding.

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Hogwash wrote:
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What we have on our hands is a previous president who completely destroyed the American economy, and a Republican congress who absolutely and utterly failed, intentionally, to serve the needs of this country. Instead they spend 50 million dollars voting THIRTY-THREE times to repeal ACA and then give big-coal some freebies.
America voted for somebody who at least wasn't trying to rape them like the Republicans.
YOU and your blaming the previous president is a major problem. You have heard it over and over as an excuse for the problems we have now until you just don't know anything else. Are you EVER going to come out from under the Obama cloud? Are you aware that Bush had a democrat congress during his last two years? Are you aware that Obama had a democrat congress for his first two years? Until you liberals wake up and see what is going on, you will continue to contribute to the systematic dismantling of our country. I don't expect you to believe this because you are so drunk and bloated on the Obama koolaid, but we'll just wait and see.

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The denial is strong with some of these Republicans. It's amusing..
You liberals are to be pitied. You are thinking you did the right thing. Let's wait and see.
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You liberals are to be pitied. You are thinking you did the right thing. Let's wait and see.
Tell us what you think is going to happen. Don't be vague, tell
us what you're worried about specifically.
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You want specifics, fine:
1. Healthcare - When Obamacare kicks in totally in 2014, many employers are already saying they will drop healthcare for their employees, they simply will not be able to afford it. This will push those employees into Obamacare. And that is the goal, the fine the company will pay is much cheaper than the costs for supplying healthcare to their employees would be - again, by design. Obama's goal is and always has been a single payer (govt) healthcare system. He stated that loud and clear at an address he gave to the AFL-CIO in 2008. And if you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait. And there will be rationing of care, it is already in place. Doctors will be getting out of medicine because the long hours and threat of malpractice suits (thank you trial lawyers) will just not be worth what the govt is willing to reimburse. The govt is already cutting Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements again. And just how long will private insurance companies last under these conditions? That is just another industry (like coal) that Obama wants to bankrupt.

2. Taxes - Hold on to your wallets, those nasty evil rich people who make over $250,000 a year will be paying more (doesn't matter that they already pay about 50% of the federal taxes as it is). But don't kid yourself that it will stop there, this administration shows no signs of truly wanting to cut spending, so the middle class will soon be expected to pay "their fair share" too.

3. Look for the unemployment figures to go up as employers lay off people to get under the 50 employee limit that will put them under Obamacare regulations. And adding to unemployment are the businesses that are leaving the country or closing their doors because it isn't worth it anymore. I have a friend whose husband does financial consulting. The day after Obama was elected, 3 businesses he works with said they were leaving the country and one called to cancel an expansion loan he was considering.

Those are just a few examples, sounds great, doesn't it.
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Aggie wrote:
You want specifics, fine:
1. Healthcare - When Obamacare kicks in totally in 2014, many employers are already saying they will drop healthcare for their employees, they simply will not be able to afford it. This will push those employees into Obamacare. And that is the goal, the fine the company will pay is much cheaper than the costs for supplying healthcare to their employees would be - again, by design. Obama's goal is and always has been a single payer (govt) healthcare system. He stated that loud and clear at an address he gave to the AFL-CIO in 2008. And if you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait. And there will be rationing of care, it is already in place. Doctors will be getting out of medicine because the long hours and threat of malpractice suits (thank you trial lawyers) will just not be worth what the govt is willing to reimburse. The govt is already cutting Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements again. And just how long will private insurance companies last under these conditions? That is just another industry (like coal) that Obama wants to bankrupt.
2. Taxes - Hold on to your wallets, those nasty evil rich people who make over $250,000 a year will be paying more (doesn't matter that they already pay about 50% of the federal taxes as it is). But don't kid yourself that it will stop there, this administration shows no signs of truly wanting to cut spending, so the middle class will soon be expected to pay "their fair share" too.
3. Look for the unemployment figures to go up as employers lay off people to get under the 50 employee limit that will put them under Obamacare regulations. And adding to unemployment are the businesses that are leaving the country or closing their doors because it isn't worth it anymore. I have a friend whose husband does financial consulting. The day after Obama was elected, 3 businesses he works with said they were leaving the country and one called to cancel an expansion loan he was considering.
Those are just a few examples, sounds great, doesn't it.
Number 1 and number 2 are pretty uninformed on yur part... number 3 hasw some ring of truth but is unrealistic. People can leave the country but where will they go... Canada? who already has universal health care and most of the stuff Republicans have a phobia to... or Mexico, where the "immigrant" will be the white guy from Los Estados Unidos... and won't even be allowed t buy property much less run a business. Just bring plenty of money. When it's gone they make you go home.

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