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#2215 Jan 17, 2013
Lived there wrote:
And BTW, if Congress gets their wish, we will no longer be able to deduct mortgage interest or county property taxes.
So?

What if we eliminate ALL deductions?
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#2216 Jan 17, 2013
To all those who went along with the Bush/Cheney mass deception war in Iraq, you are now going to help pay for it.
Lived there

Blairsville, GA

#2217 Jan 17, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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So?
What if we eliminate ALL deductions?
It would be fair and equitable IF the tax rate to make up for it is based on gross income and NOT a VAT or similiar tax, as some suggest.

But what you wrote will never happen.
BS IS Called

Irving, TX

#2218 Jan 17, 2013
Lived there wrote:
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It would be fair and equitable IF the tax rate to make up for it is based on gross income and NOT a VAT or similiar tax, as some suggest.
But what you wrote will never happen.
How would that be fair?
BS IS Called

Irving, TX

#2219 Jan 17, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
To all those who went along with the Bush/Cheney mass deception war in Iraq, you are now going to help pay for it.
They have been.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#2220 Jan 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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You did NOT address the point. We ALL have equal opportunities. Your original post intimated that we don't. Life is composed of choices. I believe we ALL know people who pulled themselves out of poor home situations and determined they were going to do better for themselves. I have NO IDEA about your financial position nor do I care. I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your original post about everyone not having equal opportunity.
BTW, you and many dums automatically assume that anyone who defends those who have made better choices in their lives are rich, selfish and evil. Just ANOTHER example of how out of touch YOU are. You are correct. Things AREN'T that simple, friend. I do all of the same things you do in regard to paying taxes, etc, but I don't OWE anyone who doesn't contribute. I, too, want what is best and FAIREST. Herein lies one of the problems. I don't intend to support ne'er do wells. If you want to do that, go for it. Be a chump. I'll fight it every step of the way. I want to CHOOSE whom I help with my hard earned money. Screw those who sit on their butts, game the system and find it amusing that I am taking care of business.
exactly which ne'er do wells do you refer to?
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#2221 Jan 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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You did NOT address the point. We ALL have equal opportunities. Your original post intimated that we don't. Life is composed of choices. I believe we ALL know people who pulled themselves out of poor home situations and determined they were going to do better for themselves. I have NO IDEA about your financial position nor do I care. I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your original post about everyone not having equal opportunity.
BTW, you and many dums automatically assume that anyone who defends those who have made better choices in their lives are rich, selfish and evil. Just ANOTHER example of how out of touch YOU are. You are correct. Things AREN'T that simple, friend. I do all of the same things you do in regard to paying taxes, etc, but I don't OWE anyone who doesn't contribute. I, too, want what is best and FAIREST. Herein lies one of the problems. I don't intend to support ne'er do wells. If you want to do that, go for it. Be a chump. I'll fight it every step of the way. I want to CHOOSE whom I help with my hard earned money. Screw those who sit on their butts, game the system and find it amusing that I am taking care of business.
btw,it is not fallacy-it is a comprimise,i suspect we'll both be seeing more of them in the future.
Lived there

Blairsville, GA

#2222 Jan 17, 2013
BS IS Called wrote:
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How would that be fair?
Conversly, how would it not be fair?
BS IS Called

Irving, TX

#2224 Jan 17, 2013
Lived there wrote:
<quoted text>
Conversly, how would it not be fair?
Any one entity, should not be taxed at a different rate, than any other entity. That is not fair.
Lived there

Blairsville, GA

#2225 Jan 17, 2013
BS IS Called wrote:
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Any one entity, should not be taxed at a different rate, than any other entity. That is not fair.
Very true (and well stated) but the issue is the rate - the same rate/percentage on what we buy (a VAT-type tax) or what we earn (in income from whatever source)?
BS IS Called

Irving, TX

#2226 Jan 17, 2013
Lived there wrote:
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Very true (and well stated) but the issue is the rate - the same rate/percentage on what we buy (a VAT-type tax) or what we earn (in income from whatever source)?
What do you think?
Lived there

Blairsville, GA

#2227 Jan 17, 2013
BS IS Called wrote:
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What do you think?
I'm all for a level playing field. You?
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#2228 Jan 17, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>it may never have occured to you that i may be just as or even more prosperous than you.you and so many repugs automatically assume that anyone who defends the poor,the underprivledged,are poor homeless people.just one more example of how out of touch you really are.or the other class you seem to want to catagorize us as is bleeding hearts of the rich elite.things are not that simple,friend.i work,pay taxes,and who knows, may be worth more than you-bottem line.but that is not my point,i want what is best and fairest for all americans.is that really so hard to believe or understand.I don't need or want any of your so-called entittlements-but i don't intend to allow for you and your croonies to hand them out to wealthiest and greediest of americans,either.at least,not on my watch.
Ah, a tirade coming on ......

You just hit the "pseudo-patriots" where it hurts.

They don't want the best for all Americans, they want the best for them.

Never, ever ask them to sacrifice for their country, that's for others. They have literally convinced themselves that their own democratically elected government cannot legitimately call on them to pay their fair share, since real Americans don't contribute to America, they take.

That's why they love Reagan - while he amassed deficit after deficit, he never called on Americans to sacrifice anything for anyone.

That's why they love Bush, while he destroyed the Constitution, amassed huge deficits and doubled the debt, started three wars, and after allowing the greatest terror success against America in history, he bravely called on all Americans to come to the aid of the country by .... going shopping.

The new tax bill will make me and my family pay higher taxes. So what, I'm doing OK and, as a true patriots should, we'll pay higher taxes to help us get out of the financial debacle Bush the 2nd created. That's what real patriots do.

And every step of the way, the wealthiest and whiniest will try to convince those with the poorest, that making the rich even richer is the priority. Amazingly, to a great extent, it will work.

Hey, at least it's amusing to read rationales as to why people who live off incomes from billion dollar inheritances should only pay 15% and the rest of us "suckers" should pay twice that tax rate.

Since: Nov 08

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#2229 Jan 17, 2013
Lived there wrote:
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NOT true!
Is true. You and the rest of the liberals who are delusional about that are contributing to keeping people down. Self fullfilling prophesy. Explains a lot.

Since: Nov 08

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#2230 Jan 17, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>Yea! and we are going to MAKE them pay more over the next 4 years.
lol AND YOU'RE going to be paying more, too. I guess you haven't heard how some dems who voted for Obama aren't happy with their latest paychecks, huh?

Since: Nov 08

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#2231 Jan 17, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
To all those who went along with the Bush/Cheney mass deception war in Iraq, you are now going to help pay for it.
And for those who went along with electing and then reelecting Obama and his penchant for spending, you are going to be paying for THAT.(Remember....he was going to "take care" of the middle class.)

Since: Nov 08

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#2232 Jan 17, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>Yea! and we are going to MAKE them pay more over the next 4 years.
YOU are going to be paying, too. lol Guess you didn't think about that, huh?

Since: Nov 08

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#2233 Jan 17, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>exactly which ne'er do wells do you refer to?
System gamers. If you still aren't clear, go to a grocery store pretty much at any time, vounteer at a pantry, etc. You'll see.

Since: Nov 08

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#2235 Jan 17, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>btw,it is not fallacy-it is a comprimise,i suspect we'll both be seeing more of them in the future.
Your thinking that we don't have equal opportunities is a FALLACY. Don't know how you get compromise out of THAT.
Lived there

Blairsville, GA

#2234 Jan 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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lol AND YOU'RE going to be paying more, too. I guess you haven't heard how some dems who voted for Obama aren't happy with their latest paychecks, huh?
CONGESS voted to let the 2% "tax holiday" expire on 01/01/13 when they originally passed the bill - NOT the President.

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