Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#84 Nov 10, 2012
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>I used "White-Out" over the Right Wing stuff. Other than that, I agree with your post. Now, if I can get that stuff off my screen.
My bad.

Just can't understand why anyone cares about who sleeps with who.

I'll never cheat on my wife - I'm no superstar- it's just that one woman is enough work - and this goofball wanted two women on his case ?

You'd never have time for a bourbon and a cigar.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#85 Nov 10, 2012
Oh my wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
It'll be interesting to see what the final totals are for 2012.

2004 Presidential Election Results
Popular Vote
Bush 62,040,610 (50.7%)
Kerry 59,028,444 (48.3%)
(difference of 3,012,166)

Electoral Vote
Bush 286
Kerry 251
=====
Bush claims mandate...
Marc Sandalow, Washington Bureau Chief
Published 4:00 a.m., Friday, November 5, 2004
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Bush-c...
...Bush staked his claim to a broad mandate and announced his top priorities at a post-election news conference, saying his 3.5 million vote victory had won him political capital that he would spend enacting his conservative agenda.
"I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it," Bush told reporters. "It is my style."
So, was Bush over-stating the case then, and if so, what does that say about those towing the party line.

2012 Popular Vote
Obama 61,814,180
Romney 58,586,318
(difference of 3,227,862)

Electoral Vote
Obama 332
Romney 206
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#86 Nov 10, 2012
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
I did not say the more important issues were ignored by the Democrats. I said, the smaller issues were pushed to the forefront, quite effectevely by the Democrats.
I agree, of course, the Republicans are the only ones who can correct the candidate selection process. The Republicans are now wondering what went wrong and so on. In reality, the process can be simplified signiicantly by borrowing from the Democratic "play book" so to speak.
It must be understood that absolutely no white male will be considered. It will not matter if that white male were a sucessfull bussinessman, a decent and kind man, a highly intelligent man and one who loves his country to the extent that he wants to run for President even though he could easily sit back and enjoy his wealth and faimly instead. Nope. Forget all of that.
In order to even have a chance at winning, our candidate will have qualifications more in line with the current President.
Should be an African-American with Hispanic heritage. May be man or woman, transgender or gay.
Must be able to read well written speeches and deliver them in a "Presidential" way. A familiarity with a tele-prompter is an absolute must.
Transcripts and other records must be sealed and kept from the public. We simply do not need to know that sort of thing.
We will not want anyone with any work background other than some position in the public sector such as possibly a former Block Captain or maybe a Community Organizer.
We will not consider anyone with any leadership skills whatsoever.
The first four year term will be a Presidential Training Program. The 2nd term then will be spent trying to act more Presidential.
As you know, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Anyway, thanks for your imput.
Frankly, it's the Republican DNA that dictates which candidates are put before the electorate. Nixon's Southern Strategy is receeding in the face of changing demographics, and people fully understand why Bush wasn't invited or mentioned at the most recent Republican Convention.

"A familiarity with a tele-prompter is an absolute must."
This is not an issue at all, since both of the defeated Republican Presidential candidates can boast of this qualification.

"We will not want anyone with any work background other than some position in the public sector such as possibly a former Block Captain or maybe a Community Organizer. We will not consider anyone with any leadership skills whatsoever."

Which is why Paul Ryan was chosen to run as VP, because of his long record in the private sector. And most folks would consider someone with organizing skills to be some one with leadership abilities. But he ck, it is fully understood what currently drives Republicans.

Please keep pushing to the right, it plays so well in some circles, but falls flat on the national stage.
Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#88 Nov 11, 2012
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Frankly, it's the Republican DNA that dictates which candidates are put before the electorate. Nixon's Southern Strategy is receeding in the face of changing demographics, and people fully understand why Bush wasn't invited or mentioned at the most recent Republican Convention.
"A familiarity with a tele-prompter is an absolute must."
This is not an issue at all, since both of the defeated Republican Presidential candidates can boast of this qualification.
"We will not want anyone with any work background other than some position in the public sector such as possibly a former Block Captain or maybe a Community Organizer. We will not consider anyone with any leadership skills whatsoever."
Which is why Paul Ryan was chosen to run as VP, because of his long record in the private sector. And most folks would consider someone with organizing skills to be some one with leadership abilities. But he ck, it is fully understood what currently drives Republicans.
Please keep pushing to the right, it plays so well in some circles, but falls flat on the national stage.
"Which is why Parul Ryan was chosen to run as VP."

Politics has become more complicated than my brain can sometimes handle. Must be why it causes me to have headaches.

When discussing Paul Ryan, one has to remember that his background included driving a Weinermobile for Oscar Mayer. The significance of that qualification has to do with Washington D.C. having the largest collection of Weinies of any City in the U.S.. You know what they say: "It's a winner of a weiner"

The only other thing I can say before I take a coupole of aspiren is that we are so caught up in labels, right, left, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative that the tasks at hand are forgotten. Then, nothing ever gets done. when something does get done such as a new law, it is so flawed that we are faced with new unintended consequences. Case in point, the Healthcare law.

As far as my "push to the right" not playing well on the national stage, I'm not on the national stage. I am just a voter and taxpayer. I have spent enough time in D.C. to know I do not want to waste my time in Weinieville. If you have ever seen a Weinie in a 3 piece suit, you know what I mean.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#89 Nov 11, 2012
Oh my wrote:
Frankly, it's the Republican DNA that dictates which candidates are put before the electorate. Nixon's Southern Strategy is receeding in the face of changing demographics, and people fully understand why Bush wasn't invited or mentioned at the most recent Republican Convention.

"A familiarity with a tele-prompter is an absolute must."
This is not an issue at all, since both of the defeated Republican Presidential candidates can boast of this qualification.

"We will not want anyone with any work background other than some position in the public sector such as possibly a former Block Captain or maybe a Community Organizer. We will not consider anyone with any leadership skills whatsoever."

Which is why Paul Ryan was chosen to run as VP, because of his long record in the private sector. And most folks would consider someone with organizing skills to be some one with leadership abilities. But he ck, it is fully understood what currently drives Republicans.

Please keep pushing to the right, it plays so well in some circles, but falls flat on the national stage.
Paul Ryan - His overwhelming impressive business experience as a personal trainer to lonely wives, was only V.P. candidate that could make Sarah Palin seem slightly less than the dumbest person in the entire United States.

But hey,
I admit, I enjoy watching Sarah and the Fox Bikini Models who pretend to be reporters and analysts,
so
maybe Paul was intended to be eye candy to attract the women's vote.

Could have been a devious well-considered plan - if only Paul had not opened his mouth and attempted rational speech.

That was Paul, and Sarah's, downfall.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#90 Nov 11, 2012
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>"Which is why Parul Ryan was chosen to run as VP."

Politics has become more complicated than my brain can sometimes handle. Must be why it causes me to have headaches.

When discussing Paul Ryan, one has to remember that his background included driving a Weinermobile for Oscar Mayer. The significance of that qualification has to do with Washington D.C. having the largest collection of Weinies of any City in the U.S.. You know what they say: "It's a winner of a weiner"

The only other thing I can say before I take a coupole of aspiren is that we are so caught up in labels, right, left, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative that the tasks at hand are forgotten. Then, nothing ever gets done. when something does get done such as a new law, it is so flawed that we are faced with new unintended consequences. Case in point, the Healthcare law.

As far as my "push to the right" not playing well on the national stage, I'm not on the national stage. I am just a voter and taxpayer. I have spent enough time in D.C. to know I do not want to waste my time in Weinieville. If you have ever seen a Weinie in a 3 piece suit, you know what I mean.
Good points.

Labels are used to conceal much more than they are used to reveal.

Just consider the "Patriot Act" - which isn't.

I also think the Health Care law is badly flawed - the only thing worse is no Health Care Law at all.
Kind of like Aunt Jemima Pancake Syrup. It's full of sugar - but dry French Toast - that is truly deadly.

Hopefully we can modify the Health Care law to require negotiations with drug makers and health care providers, which is estimated to cut costs over 30%,
and create one National Health Care insurer,(which the rest of the industrialized world discovered - and came to love- decades ago), which will save another 18% that we currently pay in "profits" to private insurers, whose goal is to collect the highest premiums and pay the lowest benefits.

What a dream. America - as smart, progressive, and healthy as Costa Rica.

Well it's a dream

Since: Jul 10

Blue Ridge, GA

#91 Nov 11, 2012
Never again will you see two white Republicans run for president and vice president. Next time, you will a Latino, one white maybe an Asian or a female. That's the way it's got to be if we have any chance.

Since: Jul 10

Blue Ridge, GA

#92 Nov 11, 2012
I honestly think if Abraham Lincoln were running today he would only have garnered 15% of the black vote.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#93 Nov 11, 2012
ivy log leonard wrote:
I honestly think if Abraham Lincoln were running today he would only have garnered 15% of the black vote.
Maybe he'd get 100% since he'd have to run as a Democrat. He would be way to liberal to run as a Republican.
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#94 Nov 11, 2012
ivy log leonard wrote:
I honestly think if Abraham Lincoln were running today he would only have garnered 15% of the black vote.
I think if Lincoln were here today he would shoot himself in the head.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#95 Nov 12, 2012
ivy log leonard wrote:
Never again will you see two white Republicans run for president and vice president. Next time, you will a Latino, one white maybe an Asian or a female. That's the way it's got to be if we have any chance.
Keep thinking like this, and it will keep defining the Republican party. The best thing for the country is that Republicans continue to pander and validate this line of thought.
Local

Blairsville, GA

#96 Nov 12, 2012
At best this country is now facing the possibility, some say probability, of another recession, one twice as bad as the last one. At worst, a depression so severe that the country could actually fall, much like the USSR did. The circumstances are almost parallel.

Already the working man or woman is going to get hit with a $45 to $245 PER MONTH bite out of their paycheck. That's a foregone conclusion. Both sides of the aisle agree that it's going to happen because they want the money.

But that's nothing compared to the expiring Bush tax breaks. Our taxes could easily go up 17 to 30%. The wealthy, 5 to 8%.

Compounding the perfect storm is the $1 trillion sequestered spending cuts BOTH parties agreed to. That can could be kicked down the road but by February, the House will also have to borrow another roughly $500 billion to keep the wheels of government greased.

Obama can't do a thing about it. Romney would not have been able to either. It's all in the hands of Congress, specifically the House, more exact, the House Ways and Means Committee and one man....

... a Republican, from the 4th Congressional District of Michigan. His name is Dave Camp. If you've never heard of him, or haven't been paying attention, or if you're just plain stupid, look him up on Google.

Get used to the idea of double-digit inflation!
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#98 Nov 12, 2012
Local wrote:
Get used to the idea of double-digit inflation!
YAY! Maybe then I could get some decent returns on my money.
big news

Clarkesville, GA

#99 Nov 12, 2012
ivy log leonard wrote:
Never again will you see two white Republicans run for president and vice president. Next time, you will a Latino, one white maybe an Asian or a female. That's the way it's got to be if we have any chance.
I think you are right. I wanted Romney to pick Mario Rubio as Vice Prez. He is as straight and conservative as anyone can be, and would have got some of the Latino vote and maybe some other minorities also. Too late now...
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#101 Nov 14, 2012
Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy
Rick Perlstein November 13, 2012
http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclu... #

(42-minute audio interview at link)

You start out in 1954 by saying,“Nizzer, nizzer, nizzer.” By 1968 you can’t say “nizzer”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.…“We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nizzer, nizzer.”

...The back-story goes like this. In 1981, Atwater, after a decade as South Carolina's most effective Republican operative, was working in Ronald Reagan's White House when he was interviewed by Alexander Lamis, a political scientist at Case Western Reserve University. Lamis published the interview without using Atwater's name in his 1984 book The Two-Party South. Fifteen years later—and eight years after Atwater passed away from cancer—Lamis republished the interview in another book using Atwater’s name. For seven years no one paid much attention. Then the New York Times' Bob Herbert, a bit of an Atwater obsessive, quoted it in an October 6, 2005 column—then five more times over the next four years.

Those words soon became legend—quoted in both screeds (The GOP-Haters Handbook, 2007) and scholarship (Corey Robin's 2011 classic work of political theory, The Reactionary Mind). Google Books records its use in ten books published so far this year alone. Curious about the remarks' context, Carter, who learned Lamis had died in 2012, asked his widow if she would consider releasing the audio of the interview, especially in light of the use of race-baiting dog-whistles (lies about Obama ending work requirements for welfare; "jokes" about his supposed Kenyan provenance) in the Romney presidential campaign. Renée Lamis, an Obama donor, agreed that very same night. For one thing she was “upset,” Carter told me, that “for some time, conservatives believed [her] husband made up the Atwater interview.” For another, she was eager to illustrate that her husband's use of the Atwater quote was scholarly, not political.

So what does the new contextual wrapping teach us? It vindicates Lamis, who indeed comes off as careful and scholarly. And no surprise, it shows Atwater acting yet again in bad faith.

In the lead-up to the infamous remarks, it is fascinating to witness the confidence with which Atwater believes himself to be establishing the racial innocence of latter-day Republican campaigning:“My generation,” he insists,“will be the first generation of Southerners that won’t be prejudiced.” He proceeds to develop the argument that by dropping talk about civil rights gains like the Voting Rights Act and sticking to the now-mainstream tropes of fiscal conservatism and national defense, consultants like him were proving “people in the South are just like any people in the history of the world.”
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#102 Nov 14, 2012
Oh my wrote:
Exclusive: Lee AtwaterÂ’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy
Rick Perlstein November 13, 2012
http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclu... #

(42-minute audio interview at link)

You start out in 1954 by saying,“Nizzer, nizzer, nizzer.” By 1968 you can’t say “nizzer”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.…“We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nizzer, nizzer.”

...The back-story goes like this. In 1981, Atwater, after a decade as South Carolina's most effective Republican operative, was working in Ronald Reagan's White House when he was interviewed by Alexander Lamis, a political scientist at Case Western Reserve University. Lamis published the interview without using Atwater's name in his 1984 book The Two-Party South. Fifteen years later—and eight years after Atwater passed away from cancer—Lamis republished the interview in another book using Atwater’s name. For seven years no one paid much attention. Then the New York Times' Bob Herbert, a bit of an Atwater obsessive, quoted it in an October 6, 2005 column—then five more times over the next four years.

Those words soon became legend—quoted in both screeds (The GOP-Haters Handbook, 2007) and scholarship (Corey Robin's 2011 classic work of political theory, The Reactionary Mind). Google Books records its use in ten books published so far this year alone. Curious about the remarks' context, Carter, who learned Lamis had died in 2012, asked his widow if she would consider releasing the audio of the interview, especially in light of the use of race-baiting dog-whistles (lies about Obama ending work requirements for welfare; "jokes" about his supposed Kenyan provenance) in the Romney presidential campaign. Renée Lamis, an Obama donor, agreed that very same night. For one thing she was “upset,” Carter told me, that “for some time, conservatives believed [her] husband made up the Atwater interview.” For another, she was eager to illustrate that her husband's use of the Atwater quote was scholarly, not political.

So what does the new contextual wrapping teach us? It vindicates Lamis, who indeed comes off as careful and scholarly. And no surprise, it shows Atwater acting yet again in bad faith.

In the lead-up to the infamous remarks, it is fascinating to witness the confidence with which Atwater believes himself to be establishing the racial innocence of latter-day Republican campaigning:“My generation,” he insists,“will be the first generation of Southerners that won’t be prejudiced.” He proceeds to develop the argument that by dropping talk about civil rights gains like the Voting Rights Act and sticking to the now-mainstream tropes of fiscal conservatism and national defense, consultants like him were proving “people in the South are just like any people in the history of the world.”
Awesome post.

Thank you for the effort it took to provide that information.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#103 Nov 14, 2012
Gravely Ill, Atwater Offers Apology
AP
Published: January 13, 1991

In a detailed and candid article about his career and his fight against an inoperable brain tumor, Lee Atwater has apologized to Michael S. Dukakis for the "naked cruelty" of a remark he made about the Democratic Presidential nominee in the 1988 campaign.
The apology by Mr. Atwater, who is now in his last month as chairman of the Republican National Committee, is included in an article in the February issue of Life magazine, where he also starkly describes his often-desperate attempts to deal with his illness and his fear on some nights that if he falls asleep, "I will never wake up again."
As manager of Mr. Bush's campaign, Mr. Atwater succeeded in making the case of Willie Horton, a convicted murderer, an issue against Mr. Dukakis.
Mr. Horton, who is black, raped a white woman and stabbed her husband while on a weekend furlough from a Massachusetts prison. The Bush campaign used the case to portray Mr. Dukakis, then Governor of Massachusetts, as a liberal who was soft on crime.

"In 1988," Mr. Atwater said, "fighting Dukakis, I said that I 'would strip the bark off the little bastard' and 'make Willie Horton his running mate.' I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not." Reputation as 'Ugly Campaigner'
Since being stricken last year, the 39-year-old Mr. Atwater has apologized on several occasions for many of the campaign tactics he once employed and for which he was criticized. But rarely has he spoken in such detail or with such candor as in the interview for the first-person Life article.
"In part because of our successful manipulation of his campaign themes, George Bush won handily," Mr. Atwater said. He conceded that throughout his political career "a reputation as a fierce and ugly campaigner has dogged me."
"While I didn't invent negative politics," he said, "I am one of its most ardent practitioners."
The Life article is accompanied by photographs that show Mr. Atwater today, his face swollen by steroids and framed by dark, curly hair. They are a stark contrast to earlier pictures of him, lean, grinning and jogging with Mr. Bush.'I Was Scared'
In the article, Mr. Atwater also talked about the moment last March 5 when he was speaking at a fund-raising breakfast for Senator Phil Gramm, Republican of Texas.
"I felt my left foot start to shake uncontrollably," he said. "In seconds the twitch had moved into my leg and up the left side of my body. I was scared. I stopped speaking, grabbed at my side with one hand and clutched the podium with the other."
Mr. Atwater was rushed to the hospital and within days doctors determined that he was suffering from a tumor on the right side of his brain. His battle with cancer has continued unabated since that diagnosis.
Mr. Atwater also described the change in his relationship with Ronald H. Brown, the Democratic national chairman.
"After the election, when I would run into Ron Brown, I would say hello and then pass him off to one of my aides," he said. "I actually thought that talking to him would make me appear vulnerable.
"Since my illness, Ron has been enormously kind -- he sent a baby present to Sally T.," Mr. Atwater's third child, who was born only weeks after he was stricken. "He writes and calls regularly -- and I have learned a lesson: Politics and human relationships are separate. I may disagree with Ron Brown's message, but I can love him as a man."
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#104 Nov 14, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
Gravely Ill, Atwater Offers Apology
AP
Published: January 13, 1991

In a detailed and candid article about his career and his fight against an inoperable brain tumor, Lee Atwater has apologized to Michael S. Dukakis for the "naked cruelty" of a remark he made about the Democratic Presidential nominee in the 1988 campaign.
The apology by Mr. Atwater, who is now in his last month as chairman of the Republican National Committee, is included in an article in the February issue of Life magazine, where he also starkly describes his often-desperate attempts to deal with his illness and his fear on some nights that if he falls asleep, "I will never wake up again."
As manager of Mr. Bush's campaign, Mr. Atwater succeeded in making the case of Willie Horton, a convicted murderer, an issue against Mr. Dukakis.
Mr. Horton, who is black, raped a white woman and stabbed her husband while on a weekend furlough from a Massachusetts prison. The Bush campaign used the case to portray Mr. Dukakis, then Governor of Massachusetts, as a liberal who was soft on crime.

"In 1988," Mr. Atwater said, "fighting Dukakis, I said that I 'would strip the bark off the little bastard' and 'make Willie Horton his running mate.' I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not." Reputation as 'Ugly Campaigner'
Since being stricken last year, the 39-year-old Mr. Atwater has apologized on several occasions for many of the campaign tactics he once employed and for which he was criticized. But rarely has he spoken in such detail or with such candor as in the interview for the first-person Life article.
"In part because of our successful manipulation of his campaign themes, George Bush won handily," Mr. Atwater said. He conceded that throughout his political career "a reputation as a fierce and ugly campaigner has dogged me."
"While I didn't invent negative politics," he said, "I am one of its most ardent practitioners."
The Life article is accompanied by photographs that show Mr. Atwater today, his face swollen by steroids and framed by dark, curly hair. They are a stark contrast to earlier pictures of him, lean, grinning and jogging with Mr. Bush.'I Was Scared'
In the article, Mr. Atwater also talked about the moment last March 5 when he was speaking at a fund-raising breakfast for Senator Phil Gramm, Republican of Texas.
"I felt my left foot start to shake uncontrollably," he said. "In seconds the twitch had moved into my leg and up the left side of my body. I was scared. I stopped speaking, grabbed at my side with one hand and clutched the podium with the other."
Mr. Atwater was rushed to the hospital and within days doctors determined that he was suffering from a tumor on the right side of his brain. His battle with cancer has continued unabated since that diagnosis.
Mr. Atwater also described the change in his relationship with Ronald H. Brown, the Democratic national chairman.
"After the election, when I would run into Ron Brown, I would say hello and then pass him off to one of my aides," he said. "I actually thought that talking to him would make me appear vulnerable.
"Since my illness, Ron has been enormously kind -- he sent a baby present to Sally T.," Mr. Atwater's third child, who was born only weeks after he was stricken. "He writes and calls regularly -- and I have learned a lesson: Politics and human relationships are separate. I may disagree with Ron Brown's message, but I can love him as a man."
Sorry for repetition.
gamule

Dawsonville, GA

#105 Nov 14, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
Class
A rare thing.
Is there any Republican here celebrating democracy in action ?
Is there any Republican here accepting Romney's and Obama's request Americans all support the elected President ?
In short, are there any Republican patriots here ?
Just wondering.
yes now obama will have to stand up and explain why he didnot protect our troops overseas.it looks to me like he doesnot like America.
gamule

Dawsonville, GA

#106 Nov 14, 2012
i do belive that the popular vote means nothing in the president election

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