The Mark Of The Beast

“Vainglourious Basterd”

Since: Sep 11

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#149 Mar 17, 2014
Nothing a human can possibly do is unnatural. If it becomes normal for humans to "bond" with electronics (as we know them) and some kind of adaptation takes place we would have "evolved" ourselves in the most unnatural way possible. But to bring ethics into it is absurd, a more logical reason would be because "robots might take over like in them movies".

Not sure why the Blairsville forum is bleeding over into Blue Ridge today. I never realized how goddamn weird them Union County people are, god bless them.
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#150 Mar 17, 2014
Janice,
Ah yes - the ole preying on the fears argument. If someone doesn't like something, but it is scary, then it must be preying on fears - not simple observation of common fact and subsequent rational supposition. Its called scientific method, logical conclusion. THAT is how I respond to your type of strident panicky response - who live in terror that they may be proven wrong that their is something greater at work, and are willing to deny even the scientific method they use as argument agaist those that would argue against it. You are the mindless, the status quoers, those that can see as far as out your front door, and are scared to look farther - for fear that you won't like what you see. You are the Ostritch Clan of humanity.

And of coure that leaves the religiously crippled, who bask in the ease and luxury of technological and scientific advances - and yet deny it through blind devotion to foolish interpretations of those sucking a nice tithe off of them.

Both paths equally emotion based, illogical and unwise. Not so much the blind leading the blind - as it is the blind fighting the blind. Perhaps your opposite sounding board can now jump in :) It seems I am a common enemy of those lacking understanding.

Now back to the subject. Every thought process, whether natural or artificial, needs a physical brain from which it can function. Mankind has conveniently created a netork of supercomputing "heads".

SUPERCOMPUTERS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer
* the above becomes more complicated, but is a nice place to begi understanding.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT: The Japanese K Supercomputer recently used open-source Neural Simulation Technology (NEST) tool to replicate a network consisting of 1.73 billion nerve cells connected by 10.4 trillion synapses. Granted they only managed to replicate a single second of human brain function - but over the next few years alone the processing power of supercomputers is expected to grow thousandfold. AND this isn't the only supercomputer working on this. Even IBM Supercomputers are hard at work attempting to recreate the human brain connections electronically.

Furthermore - there are many of these supercomputers, attached by the web, attached to the micrprocessing power of Billions of smaller processors. All creating a sensory network of sights, sounds, and data input. Throw in a Satellite Network and Millions of Digital Cams & Microphones, and you have a BIG neural network to operate within. Soo we'll even have Google Glasses :/

But for the "Brain" a few supercomputers would do nicely. And the interesting thing is that mimicking brain activity is WHAT many of these things are being put to use exploring. LOL - the irony is that hte actual GOAL of the work is to create a structure that mimcs the human brain, and in parrallel they are working on artificial intellignece.

OH MY! This is such speculative conspiracy theory! I can see where you are going and I don't like it so I am going to stick my head in the sand and continue to chant soothing nonsense in rhytmic verse!

OR, as those with normal functioning brains, and a smidgeon of wisdom, prefer.... take note of a concerning trend in the scientifically established FACTS of what researchers at the highest government and corporate sponsored levels are working hard on.

Peace,
- david
aka The Mountains Voice
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#151 Mar 17, 2014
Lanius LaForte wrote:
Nothing a human can possibly do is unnatural. If it becomes normal for humans to "bond" with electronics (as we know them) and some kind of adaptation takes place we would have "evolved" ourselves in the most unnatural way possible. But to bring ethics into it is absurd, a more logical reason would be because "robots might take over like in them movies".

Not sure why the Blairsville forum is bleeding over into Blue Ridge today. I never realized how goddamn weird them Union County people are, god bless them.
Dear Lanius,
do not concern yourself with what you cannot control. Wider and wider in the region will go the discussion. It's simply time to begin expanding the thought. And please do not confuse me with someone from Union County. It is simply where I base my discussions at present.

Peace,
- david
aka The Mountains Voice.

“Vainglourious Basterd”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#152 Mar 17, 2014
tmv post wrote:
<quoted text>Dear Lanius,
do not concern yourself with what you cannot control. Wider and wider in the region will go the discussion. It's simply time to begin expanding the thought. And please do not confuse me with someone from Union County. It is simply where I base my discussions at present.

Peace,
- david
aka The Mountains Voice.
I won't associate you with Union County because I was complementing them.

You are a nut, but in an 80's cartoon wizard kind of way.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#153 Mar 17, 2014
tmv post wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
And if he unto whom the vision came wrote, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay, then perhaps it is not too paranoid to suggest that men and microchips should not mix.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Janice,
Ah yes - the ole preying on the fears argument. If someone doesn't like something, but it is scary, then it must be preying on fears - not simple observation of common fact and subsequent rational supposition. Its called scientific method, logical conclusion. THAT is how I respond to your type of strident panicky response...
Uhmmm,
so now you claim
the Scientific Method led you to share,
"even as iron is not mixed with clay",
when in fact it does mix.

Steel, titanium, cobalt, plastic, microprocessors,
and stored energy power source,
all mix with clay.

As always,
your pronouncements
just so much hot air.

Who is this Janice you have fixated on?
Another misdirection from The Mountain no doubt.
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#154 Mar 17, 2014
Alas Janice - one must have the additional benefit of perspective when considering these things. The verse was in reference to the molding of statuary (being in the form of a man), given the means known to the author at the time. These things must be considered conceptually and "in perspective".

Even in the greater discusion regarding to merging technology to flesh, it is a great leap to compare this to the presence of elemental substances mixed into blood. For example, oil and water "do not mix" and yets both oils and water exist in most living bodies.

Do not feel bad. The counterpart to your scientific extremist approach often finds its equal in hte literal extremism of those with a religious bent. Those that are your equal opposites often err by trying to pronounce the fact that the descriptions found in "parables & visions" are to be taken in exact literality.

And so the cosmic age long struggle between those with no wisdom, and those with no understaning continues.

NOW.... let us consider the abilities of an artificial intelligence, with a physical brain such as might be achieved by a "Neurological Network" of supercomputers, microprocessors, satellites, cams and other electronic devices tied together via nerves of cable, fiber optics and wireless "neurotransmitters".

As such a beast evolved - would it want to DO things? What would be its arms and legs and how would it most likely breach this challenge? For example - with all of this vast intelligence, and a powerful global network of knowledge and input, I would guess that it might quickly become humbling & frustrating to not even be able to wipe the screen of one of its viewing monitors if it was smudged with dirt. Or build a simple birdhouse out of a few boards of wood as even the most imple of human children might do. HOW would it deal with that?

That is a question if anyone cares to see if they can answer it. It is rather a complex answer, so it should test people. But there is one aspect that I think everyone will find most interesting, and concerning. I'm curious if anyone can imagine it.

Peace,
- david
aka The Mountains Voice

Since: Oct 11

not flarda

#155 Mar 17, 2014
Well hello thar to yoreself Leefart. You art to come over han hangs out on this board wiff us more. We always gots room for good folk like yoreself.
Lanius LaForte wrote:
Nothing a human can possibly do is unnatural. If it becomes normal for humans to "bond" with electronics (as we know them) and some kind of adaptation takes place we would have "evolved" ourselves in the most unnatural way possible. But to bring ethics into it is absurd, a more logical reason would be because "robots might take over like in them movies".
Not sure why the Blairsville forum is bleeding over into Blue Ridge today. I never realized how goddamn weird them Union County people are, god bless them.

Since: Oct 11

not flarda

#156 Mar 17, 2014
TMV I remember reading a well known book many many moons ago when I was a younger fella (but now I can't think of the name of it) that was about a man made computer abducting a man in an attempt to learn more about how us humans function. The one thing the machine could never figure out was emotion, it finally did but only when the man had figured out how to destroy the machine and was in the process of "killing" it.
RRG

Webster, NC

#157 Mar 17, 2014
U R crazy.

“Skin a Floridian”

Since: Aug 09

Hiawassie

#158 Mar 17, 2014
Slowpoks Boy wrote:
TMV I remember reading a well known book many many moons ago when I was a younger fella (but now I can't think of the name of it) that was about a man made computer abducting a man in an attempt to learn more about how us humans function. The one thing the machine could never figure out was emotion, it finally did but only when the man had figured out how to destroy the machine and was in the process of "killing" it.
One of H. G. Wells Stared Vincet Price.
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#159 Mar 17, 2014
Slowpoks Boy wrote:
TMV I remember reading a well known book many many moons ago when I was a younger fella (but now I can't think of the name of it) that was about a man made computer abducting a man in an attempt to learn more about how us humans function. The one thing the machine could never figure out was emotion, it finally did but only when the man had figured out how to destroy the machine and was in the process of "killing" it.
That sounds interesting. If you think of the name of the book I would like to know, maybe pick up a copy.
Just Mike

Jefferson, GA

#160 Mar 17, 2014
In the "Terminator" movies, they always refer to the day when the computers became "self-aware". On that day, they decided that humans were too destructive and should be eradicated.

Your description of AI and it's potential seem similar in theme... only with spiritual evil thrown in.

“Vainglourious Basterd”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#161 Mar 18, 2014
Just Mike wrote:
In the "Terminator" movies, they always refer to the day when the computers became "self-aware". On that day, they decided that humans were too destructive and should be eradicated.

Your description of AI and it's potential seem similar in theme... only with spiritual evil thrown in.
In "The Matrix" people were grown in mechanical baby farms and fed other liquified dead people through feeding tubes. But in turn everyone lived in a big arcade game and had superpowers, that would rule.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#162 Mar 18, 2014
Lanius LaForte wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
In "The Matrix" people were grown in mechanical baby farms and fed other liquified dead people through feeding tubes. But in turn everyone lived in a big arcade game and had superpowers, that would rule.
In The World people grow up and are fed on dead things that were once alive, these food stuffs are sometimes liquified, sometimes plants, sometimes flesh.

Soylent Green.....it's people!
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#163 Mar 18, 2014
Don't forget "HAL" the "articially intellignet & aware spaceship brain" in 2001 Space Odyssey. That was creepy.

I'll never forget when they realized there was a problem. I think two of them were concerned about the level of HAL's thinking, and went into a contained capsule to talk about "turning him off". They cut all the communications so HAL couldn't hear. But HAL used his cam monitors to read their lips! LOL ~ well, HAL didn't like the idea of being "turned off". So when these two went for a spacewalk, HAL locked them outside as they ran out of air. When "Dave" came running, and saw it all, he naively thought it was all a mistake and ordered HAL to open the air lock.

Everyone knew there were going to be problems when HAL responded, " I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that."

Not a very comforting feeling to know that the technology controlling every aspect of your ship had just woken up, and had decided its goals were not your goals.

Here's a question: What do you think the world would feel like if something that ran across every technology network on the globe woke up? Would you be comfortable with it? Because at the highest levels of science it IS what they are dabbling in.

HAL is example of some "Actions" an artificially intelligent and aware system could take. But those are still limited to controlling systems. But maybe thats a good limited place to start. What global "systems" are controlled by technology, and could be harnassed by a technological articifial intelligence?

Peace,
- david
aka The Mountians Voice

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#164 Mar 18, 2014
tmv post wrote:
Don't forget "HAL" the "articially intellignet & aware spaceship brain" in 2001 Space Odyssey. That was creepy.
I'll never forget when they realized there was a problem. I think two of them were concerned about the level of HAL's thinking, and went into a contained capsule to talk about "turning him off". They cut all the communications so HAL couldn't hear. But HAL used his cam monitors to read their lips! LOL ~ well, HAL didn't like the idea of being "turned off". So when these two went for a spacewalk, HAL locked them outside as they ran out of air. When "Dave" came running, and saw it all, he naively thought it was all a mistake and ordered HAL to open the air lock.
Everyone knew there were going to be problems when HAL responded, " I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that."
Not a very comforting feeling to know that the technology controlling every aspect of your ship had just woken up, and had decided its goals were not your goals.
Here's a question: What do you think the world would feel like if something that ran across every technology network on the globe woke up? Would you be comfortable with it? Because at the highest levels of science it IS what they are dabbling in.
HAL is example of some "Actions" an artificially intelligent and aware system could take. But those are still limited to controlling systems. But maybe thats a good limited place to start. What global "systems" are controlled by technology, and could be harnassed by a technological articifial intelligence?
Peace,
- david
aka The Mountians Voice
Like an addicted crack addict you just can't stay off Topix, can you? Wouldn't your time be better spent supporting your family with a job instead of hanging out on Topix? Maybe The Mountain told you it's better this way.

Since: Jan 14

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#166 Mar 18, 2014
George in GA wrote:
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practice what you preach choad.
Well genius, I'm not the one who was preaching people were addicted to Topix, that would be your hero, Little Davey. And as for supporting my family, if that's what you mean, I always have. Even in my older years I'm still working. By the way, please get some new material, your insults are really old and boring.

“Skin a Floridian”

Since: Aug 09

Hiawassie

#167 Mar 18, 2014
TROLL MAN wrote:
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Well genius, I'm not the one who was preaching people were addicted to Topix, that would be your hero, Little Davey. And as for supporting my family, if that's what you mean, I always have. Even in my older years I'm still working. By the way, please get some new material, your insults are really old and boring.
Seems yore self cant paddle wiff the folks on any topix. Must be hell tos be dumb as a rock. Whars the rest offin yore dummy crew/sidekicks??
Just Mike

Jefferson, GA

#168 Mar 18, 2014
TROLL MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Well genius, I'm not the one who was preaching people were addicted to Topix, that would be your hero, Little Davey.
What is your fascination with "Little Davey"? What motivates you to keep taking personal stabs at him... regardless of what topic he chooses to write about? There is a big difference between "trolling" and "stalking"... you are the latter.

You say that you are not "Norm", and Norm denies writing under any other names other than himself. Are you a friend of his that took what happened personally? Perhaps you are a clerk with UC assigned to photocopying for his ORRs? Somebody he caused to be in trouble by his investigations? A "target" of his ongoing investigation?

Honestly... the more shots you take, the more I think he MUST be "onto something". I feel the same about the rabid comments about 1ACOG. If what they were doing was "harmless", nobody would care nor would they bother with hateful, defamatory, and very personal attacks.

I LOVE to "troll" Trolls for fun. However, YOU are unstable... and I am concerned possibly dangerous. You should stay OFF Topix before you escalate any further. Just STOP... Ok?(Rhetorical)

Since: Jan 14

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#169 Mar 18, 2014
Just Mike wrote:
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What is your fascination with "Little Davey"? What motivates you to keep taking personal stabs at him... regardless of what topic he chooses to write about? There is a big difference between "trolling" and "stalking"... you are the latter.
You say that you are not "Norm", and Norm denies writing under any other names other than himself. Are you a friend of his that took what happened personally? Perhaps you are a clerk with UC assigned to photocopying for his ORRs? Somebody he caused to be in trouble by his investigations? A "target" of his ongoing investigation?
Honestly... the more shots you take, the more I think he MUST be "onto something". I feel the same about the rabid comments about 1ACOG. If what they were doing was "harmless", nobody would care nor would they bother with hateful, defamatory, and very personal attacks.
I LOVE to "troll" Trolls for fun. However, YOU are unstable... and I am concerned possibly dangerous. You should stay OFF Topix before you escalate any further. Just STOP... Ok?(Rhetorical)
Don't know Norm. I don't work for the county. I do not do business with the county. I'm not a "target" of his so-called investigations. Just a normal, productive semi-retired taxpayer and businessman who doesn't buy into all the B.S. that TMV or ACOG spew out. Nothing "unstable" or "dangerous" about me, after all, I don't talk to "The Mountain" like some or have visions of apocalypse. As for "Little Davey" he's a big-talking man, so he can either take the heat or get out of the kitchen.

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