Commissioner Paris to Lower Millage

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How many times do we here: Commissioner Paris to lower millage. Or that we have the lowest millage rate in the state.

Have you ever went back and looked at your tax bills?

I just did.

In 2003 my total tax bill was $371.19.
County tax was 129.11 and school tax 235.87

In 2004 total bill was $368.22
County tax $127.86 and school tax $234.15

In 2005 total tax bill $400.28
County Tax $165.11 and school tax $228.96

In 2006 total tax bill $542.89
County tax $193.62 school tax $339.78

In 2007 total tax bill $540.19
County Tax $191.72 school tax $540.19 (Right before the 2008 election we get a $1.90 tax break)

I am missing a couple years

In 2010 total tax bill $671.76
County Tax 226.60 school tax $433.97

In 2011 total tax bill $746.58
County tax $231.62 school tax $504.27

Total increase is $375.39 over the past eight years.*********

What am I missing here. I live on a fixed income. My house payment is under $500.00 a month. My taxes are more than my house payment plus add in the high cost of homeowners insurance.

I moved here for the lower taxes. But as you can see that has changed. So for everyone out there that did the same just wait. YOUR taxes are increasing to a rate where you will not be able to stay in your home.

So everytime you think of all these TSPLOST (they were trying to pass), SPLOST, ESPLOST just a penny more taxes think of what you are already spending in taxes.

Vote wisely in 2012. Don't be fooled by the so called lower millage.

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ACOG wrote:
How many times do we here: Commissioner Paris to lower millage. Or that we have the lowest millage rate in the state.
Have you ever went back and looked at your tax bills?
I just did.
In 2003 my total tax bill was $371.19.
County tax was 129.11 and school tax 235.87
In 2004 total bill was $368.22
County tax $127.86 and school tax $234.15
In 2005 total tax bill $400.28
County Tax $165.11 and school tax $228.96
In 2006 total tax bill $542.89
County tax $193.62 school tax $339.78
In 2007 total tax bill $540.19
County Tax $191.72 school tax $540.19 (Right before the 2008 election we get a $1.90 tax break)
I am missing a couple years
In 2010 total tax bill $671.76
County Tax 226.60 school tax $433.97
In 2011 total tax bill $746.58
County tax $231.62 school tax $504.27
Total increase is $375.39 over the past eight years.*********
What am I missing here. I live on a fixed income. My house payment is under $500.00 a month. My taxes are more than my house payment plus add in the high cost of homeowners insurance.
I moved here for the lower taxes. But as you can see that has changed. So for everyone out there that did the same just wait. YOUR taxes are increasing to a rate where you will not be able to stay in your home.
So everytime you think of all these TSPLOST (they were trying to pass), SPLOST, ESPLOST just a penny more taxes think of what you are already spending in taxes.
Vote wisely in 2012. Don't be fooled by the so called lower millage.
www.cleanandopen.org
unioncountytipline@gmail.com
Wow, your tax bill was about $750 for an entire year and you're whining about it. That's about $60 a month. Move on back to Florida or Chattanooga and see if you get lower taxes than that.

I would imagine that you've spent much more than that in the past year for Open Records Request fees. Some people would cut off their noses just to spite their faces. People like you.
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Troll Man wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, your tax bill was about $750 for an entire year and you're whining about it. That's about $60 a month. Move on back to Florida or Chattanooga and see if you get lower taxes than that.

I would imagine that you've spent much more than that in the past year for Open Records Request fees. Some people would cut off their noses just to spite their faces. People like you.
Woah hold on there buddy. I've been starting to like your posts, but it's not ACOG that made a big deal about mileage rates. That's our current commissioner that had that headline splashed and who also continues to state how he's kept taxes low over the years. I'm sure we can even find quoted in the paper where he's said it went down.

Shes just proving that that's a falsehood.
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Typo. Millage not mileage.
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ACOG wrote:
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Have you ever went back and looked at your tax bills?
I just did.
What am I missing here.
Your County taxes increased from 129.11 in 2003 to 231.62 in 2011.

Your School taxes increased from 371.19 in 2003 to 504.27 in 2011.

What you're missing is the steady decrease in state support for education and state support for other types of county services.
Troll Man

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Woah hold on there buddy. I've been starting to like your posts, but it's not ACOG that made a big deal about mileage rates. That's our current commissioner that had that headline splashed and who also continues to state how he's kept taxes low over the years. I'm sure we can even find quoted in the paper where he's said it went down.
Shes just proving that that's a falsehood.
I would agree that Paris made a big deal about lowering the millage rate... wow, and he really just barely lowered it, didn't he?

But he's a politician, and you expect such from politicians.
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Taxes and millage rates are determined by Net assessed value in the county. You will notice the Net assessed value of Union county is higher out of the 5 counties listed below even though 3 of those counties have more population, especially White and Lumpkin counties. More population means more homes. Larger populated counties mean more businesses.
So why does Union have a larger assessment? Lamar Paris and the Assessors office cranked up the assessments back in 2005 and have increased them since, therefore allowing Lamar to maintain a low millage rate while at the same time increasing taxes in real dollars collected.

So Lamar is using the low millage as an election tool while increasing taxes.
Lamar really only decreases real dollars collected during an election year from property taxes of appox $150,000 to $250,000 a year. After getting re-elected he cranks it back up to a higher millage to make up for the loss and to actually increase the revenue.

State Law says counties must live and run year to year on a balanced budget. The way Lamar shifts money back and forth between line items in the budget and between splost monies and general budget monies, Lamar can go over the balanced budget one year and show a deficit the next in splost monies....until more splost monies come in, which usually is every month of the year, and then just shift it back.

Now look at actual tax dollars collected by each county......in proportion to the populations of the other 4 counties listed, Union county is collecting more tax dollars than the other counties per home owner or business owner.......






County Millage Rate Pop. Net assessed value
Banks 22.31 mils 18,305 $534,267,902
Union 17.21 mils 21,356 $1,216,231,578
Fannin 18.06 mils 23,682 $1,149,806,429
White 24.78 mils 27,144 $971,164,241
Lumpkin 23.14 mils 29,966 $1,014,379,215


County Total Taxes Collected
Banks $11,919,516
Union $20,931,345
Fannin $20,765,504
White $24,065,449
Lumpkin $23,472,735

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Amos_1 wrote:
Taxes and millage rates are determined by Net assessed value in the county. You will notice the Net assessed value of Union county is higher out of the 5 counties listed below even though 3 of those counties have more population, especially White and Lumpkin counties. More population means more homes. Larger populated counties mean more businesses.
So why does Union have a larger assessment? Lamar Paris and the Assessors office cranked up the assessments back in 2005 and have increased them since, therefore allowing Lamar to maintain a low millage rate while at the same time increasing taxes in real dollars collected.
So Lamar is using the low millage as an election tool while increasing taxes.
Lamar really only decreases real dollars collected during an election year from property taxes of appox $150,000 to $250,000 a year. After getting re-elected he cranks it back up to a higher millage to make up for the loss and to actually increase the revenue.
State Law says counties must live and run year to year on a balanced budget. The way Lamar shifts money back and forth between line items in the budget and between splost monies and general budget monies, Lamar can go over the balanced budget one year and show a deficit the next in splost monies....until more splost monies come in, which usually is every month of the year, and then just shift it back.
Now look at actual tax dollars collected by each county......in proportion to the populations of the other 4 counties listed, Union county is collecting more tax dollars than the other counties per home owner or business owner.......
County Millage Rate Pop. Net assessed value
Banks 22.31 mils 18,305 $534,267,902
Union 17.21 mils 21,356 $1,216,231,578
Fannin 18.06 mils 23,682 $1,149,806,429
White 24.78 mils 27,144 $971,164,241
Lumpkin 23.14 mils 29,966 $1,014,379,215
County Total Taxes Collected
Banks $11,919,516
Union $20,931,345
Fannin $20,765,504
White $24,065,449
Lumpkin $23,472,735
Thanks for the Claification

Bottom line sounds like another gimick to make Lamar look good.

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Oh my wrote:
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Your County taxes increased from 129.11 in 2003 to 231.62 in 2011.
Your School taxes increased from 371.19 in 2003 to 504.27 in 2011.
What you're missing is the steady decrease in state support for education and state support for other types of county services.

And what your leaving out is the County (Lamar) has raised tax monies collected on average 7% a year without any loss monies from the State.
While the County (school) has raised tax monies collected on average 9% a year WITH loss monies from the State.

so both the Schools and the county has raised taxes an average of 7% a year over the last 8 years.
Over the last 8 years, median income has taken a 10% drop.


so while families are hit hard, Lamar builds himself a Mansion to relax in after playing golf.

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Amos_1 wrote:
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And what your leaving out is the County (Lamar) has raised tax monies collected on average 7% a year without any loss monies from the State.
While the County (school) has raised tax monies collected on average 9% a year WITH loss monies from the State.
so both the Schools and the county has raised taxes an average of 7% a year over the last 8 years.
Over the last 8 years, median income has taken a 10% drop.
so while families are hit hard, Lamar builds himself a Mansion to relax in after playing golf.
I think we need to turn that mansion into the new jail with a new sheriff and Lamar as the first inmate. He can keeps those brass fixtures shined in the bathrooms.
not this time

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thought I was the only one with my taxes going up and up and up, guess not
Oh my

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Amos_1 wrote:
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And what your leaving out is the County (Lamar) has raised tax monies collected on average 7% a year without any loss monies from the State.

While the County (school) has raised tax monies collected on average 9% a year WITH loss monies from the State.
Are you saying that the state has not reduced support to the county and the local school system.

or

Are you saying that the state has reduced support by a lower percentage than the rise in taxes.
Oh my

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...So why does Union have a larger assessment? Lamar Paris and the Assessors office cranked up the assessments back in 2005 and have increased them since, therefore allowing Lamar to maintain a low millage rate while at the same time increasing taxes in real dollars collected.

County Millage Rate Pop. Net assessed value
Union 17.21 mils 21,356 $1,216,231,578
Fannin 18.06 mils 23,682 $1,149,806,429
Lumpkin 23.14 mils 29,966 $1,014,379,215

County Total Taxes Collected
Union $20,931,345
Fannin $20,765,504
Lumpkin $23,472,735
Surely Lamar did not implement this nefarious plan in these neighboring counties, yet the resulting numbers are not that different. Perhaps there is another, more rational, explanation for these "high" assessed values.
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Oh my wrote:
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Are you saying that the state has not reduced support to the county and the local school system.
or
Are you saying that the state has reduced support by a lower percentage than the rise in taxes.

I's not saying either ones, youse reading something thats not theres.....

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Oh my wrote:
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Surely Lamar did not implement this nefarious plan in these neighboring counties, yet the resulting numbers are not that different. Perhaps there is another, more rational, explanation for these "high" assessed values.

youse are partially correct for once in yours posts.......and am surprised youse agrees that Lamar is nefarious.....

Lamar implemented his nefarious plots only in Union county and the resulting numbers are different enough to show Union county taxpayers pay more real dollars in property taxes per population than does the others counties..

Perhaps youse can provides another explanation for Lamars high assessments, do so and lets us knows......My's explains Lamar high taxes..........



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Amos_1 wrote:
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youse are partially correct for once in yours posts.......and am surprised youse agrees that Lamar is nefarious.....
Lamar implemented his nefarious plots only in Union county and the resulting numbers are different enough to show Union county taxpayers pay more real dollars in property taxes per population than does the others counties..
Perhaps youse can provides another explanation for Lamars high assessments, do so and lets us knows......My's explains Lamar high taxes..........
Perhaps someone with more math skills than I possess can analyze what the average taxpayer in Fannin County pays versus what one in Union County pays...

And then they might provide a checklist of facilities and amenities each of the two counties has and doesn't have...
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Troll Man wrote:
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Perhaps someone with more math skills than I possess can analyze what the average taxpayer in Fannin County pays versus what one in Union County pays...
And then they might provide a checklist of facilities and amenities each of the two counties has and doesn't have...


Perhaps youse and Oh my can colludes togethers and comes up with some answers.......

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not this time wrote:
thought I was the only one with my taxes going up and up and up, guess not


your nots, only insiders taxes are lowers........

Tip

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Troll Man wrote:
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Wow, your tax bill was about $750 for an entire year and you're whining about it. That's about $60 a month. Move on back to Florida or Chattanooga and see if you get lower taxes than that.
I would imagine that you've spent much more than that in the past year for Open Records Request fees. Some people would cut off their noses just to spite their faces. People like you.
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