Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#62 Nov 13, 2012
for the greater good wrote:
<quoted text>
No but vengeance and Honor will. You don't leave innocent people to die, they are counting on this country. This Armed forces can win any war and this country has do everything to help them that includes sending them better armor.
Your posts on this subject are so ludicrous, I wonder if you are being deliberately ignorant.

In the meantime, please excuse those of us who have actually experienced the absolute horrors of war,( the blood, the gore, the loss of a buddy), if we cannot share your zest for war. Perhaps you may fill your desire for war by watching some old John Wayne movies. It is cheaper and no one really dies.
21st Century

Blairsville, GA

#63 Nov 13, 2012
for the greater good wrote:
<quoted text>
Now just what's happening that the rest of us can't see on the newscast? Do you have some insider information that only you are somehow privy to?
It's actually very public information. Lacking pictures and action, it's just not clamorous enough for the idiot tube. A talking head reporting on currency is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

Iran "suddenly" experienced double digit inflation PLUS when the rial, it's currency, dropped in value on the world market after it was expelled by the exchange(s), which is more or less a clearing house for business transactions. Goods, including weapons of war, became not only more expensive, but harder to purchase because so few will accept it's currency. Other countries do however, accept their oil which slides through the embargo with ease and that's keeping them going - barely.

Who "caused" the expulsion? Talk is that an obscure, four person lobbying company outside the belt somehow worked it's magic, in secret. Who financed them - we'll probably never know.

Ahmadinejad has publicly stated that "the attack" on its economy has been crippling, and of course he blames America, but a historical fact remains, if a nation can not feed itself or find a way to pay for a war, it can not go to war. But that applies to a WW II type conflict. War has changed. Even Iran's nuclear capability has been seriously hampered because it can no longer afford the cost of development, testing and deployment of weapon systems.

Here's a place to start reading up on the subject. You might also ask your stock broker about it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10...
Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#64 Nov 13, 2012
21st Century wrote:
<quoted text>
It's actually very public information. Lacking pictures and action, it's just not clamorous enough for the idiot tube. A talking head reporting on currency is about as interesting as watching paint dry.
Iran "suddenly" experienced double digit inflation PLUS when the rial, it's currency, dropped in value on the world market after it was expelled by the exchange(s), which is more or less a clearing house for business transactions. Goods, including weapons of war, became not only more expensive, but harder to purchase because so few will accept it's currency. Other countries do however, accept their oil which slides through the embargo with ease and that's keeping them going - barely.
Who "caused" the expulsion? Talk is that an obscure, four person lobbying company outside the belt somehow worked it's magic, in secret. Who financed them - we'll probably never know.
Ahmadinejad has publicly stated that "the attack" on its economy has been crippling, and of course he blames America, but a historical fact remains, if a nation can not feed itself or find a way to pay for a war, it can not go to war. But that applies to a WW II type conflict. War has changed. Even Iran's nuclear capability has been seriously hampered because it can no longer afford the cost of development, testing and deployment of weapon systems.
Here's a place to start reading up on the subject. You might also ask your stock broker about it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10...
I'm afraid that even though you are giving it a good try, you are wasting your time with the "greater good" person. If you want, you may come over to my home and join me in talking with a tree stump in my back yard. That would be more productive.

If you are going to reccommend reading material, you can't forget:

"War Can Be Fun And Profitable" by Lyndon Baines Johnson

"The Joy of War" by Donald Rumsfeld

The Little Golden Book of War
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#65 Nov 13, 2012
21st Century wrote:
<quoted text>It's actually very public information. Lacking pictures and action, it's just not clamorous enough for the idiot tube. A talking head reporting on currency is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

Iran "suddenly" experienced double digit inflation PLUS when the rial, it's currency, dropped in value on the world market after it was expelled by the exchange(s), which is more or less a clearing house for business transactions. Goods, including weapons of war, became not only more expensive, but harder to purchase because so few will accept it's currency. Other countries do however, accept their oil which slides through the embargo with ease and that's keeping them going - barely.

Who "caused" the expulsion? Talk is that an obscure, four person lobbying company outside the belt somehow worked it's magic, in secret. Who financed them - we'll probably never know.

Ahmadinejad has publicly stated that "the attack" on its economy has been crippling, and of course he blames America, but a historical fact remains, if a nation can not feed itself or find a way to pay for a war, it can not go to war. But that applies to a WW II type conflict. War has changed. Even Iran's nuclear capability has been seriously hampered because it can no longer afford the cost of development, testing and deployment of weapon systems.

Here's a place to start reading up on the subject. You might also ask your stock broker about it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10...
Great post.

Isn't it astounding how the development of the Internet makes it possible to obtain primary sources that have information not yet "spun" or "abridged".

This post is so enlightening and refreshing I am online now buying 3 more "WikiLeaks" T-Shirts as Christmas gifts to support those who disseminate complete and accurate information.
I hope they have extra-large.
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#66 Nov 13, 2012
21st Century wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...

...Here's a place to start reading up on the subject. You might also ask your stock broker about it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10...
Ahhh, but some would have us believe that economic sanctions are ineffective and only used by appeasers, but this lead paragraph from your supplied link tells a different story...

"Thursday night Barack Obama and Mitt Romney generally agreed that the economic sanctions imposed against Iran were hurting the country’s economy. And it does indeed seem as if the American dollar and American-led financial diplomacy are inflicting a good deal of damage."

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#67 Nov 13, 2012
"The problem the American public has is that we can't see it happening on the evening news-casts."

There is the problem in the first place.
Waaay too much news-casts!!!!
There are too many armchair soldiers now that it's completely rediculous, where they are trying to analyze and dissect the military and its actions.
The public doesen't need to know everything that is happening in a time of War.
THAT'S why all of the problems exist is because of what the public sees and hears by critical incorrect doctored up journalistic reports.
Let the Joint Chiefs of Staff do their jobs without interference and misguided interpretations by hyped up newscastrs and educated idiot civilians.
GET REAL.
You all better be praising and patting the Military on the back as you wouldn't be able to even say what you say on here today if it hadn't been for them and the ones who fought and died in these WARS.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#68 Nov 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
"The problem the American public has is that we can't see it happening on the evening news-casts."
There is the problem in the first place.
Waaay too much news-casts!!!!
There are too many armchair soldiers now that it's completely rediculous, where they are trying to analyze and dissect the military and its actions.
The public doesen't need to know everything that is happening in a time of War.
THAT'S why all of the problems exist is because of what the public sees and hears by critical incorrect doctored up journalistic reports.
Let the Joint Chiefs of Staff do their jobs without interference and misguided interpretations by hyped up newscastrs and educated idiot civilians.
GET REAL.
You all better be praising and patting the Military on the back as you wouldn't be able to even say what you say on here today if it hadn't been for them and the ones who fought and died in these WARS.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Very well said. Thank you for your service.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#69 Nov 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
"The problem the American public has is that we can't see it happening on the evening news-casts."

There is the problem in the first place.
Waaay too much news-casts!!!!
There are too many armchair soldiers now that it's completely rediculous, where they are trying to analyze and dissect the military and its actions.
The public doesen't need to know everything that is happening in a time of War.
THAT'S why all of the problems exist is because of what the public sees and hears by critical incorrect doctored up journalistic reports.
Let the Joint Chiefs of Staff do their jobs without interference and misguided interpretations by hyped up newscastrs and educated idiot civilians.
GET REAL.
You all better be praising and patting the Military on the back as you wouldn't be able to even say what you say on here today if it hadn't been for them and the ones who fought and died in these WARS.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Sorry, but I believe it is a citizen's responsibility and obligation to question authority and not to sit back and "assume" those in power, civilian or military, are acting in the nation's best interest rather than their own.

We have seen too many $800 toilet seats; $200 million dollar planes that don't fly; too "secret" wars in Cambodia, Laos, etc.; too many military procurement officers retiring to join the very corporations from which they previously purchased hundreds of millions of dollars in war material; and many lies and prevarications;

to believe that anyone, or any organization, civilian or military, is above scrutiny.

Nobody replaced my heart with the pure unblemished heart of an angel, incapable of wrongdoing, when I enlisted, and we have to assume they still don't issue those today.

Why, it seems even generals are human and can error.

Who'd of thunk it ?
Local

Blairsville, GA

#70 Nov 13, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
"The problem the American public has is that we can't see it happening on the evening news-casts."
There is the problem in the first place.
Waaay too much news-casts!!!!
There are too many armchair soldiers now that it's completely rediculous, where they are trying to analyze and dissect the military and its actions.
The public doesen't need to know everything that is happening in a time of War.
THAT'S why all of the problems exist is because of what the public sees and hears by critical incorrect doctored up journalistic reports.
Let the Joint Chiefs of Staff do their jobs without interference and misguided interpretations by hyped up newscastrs and educated idiot civilians.
GET REAL.
You all better be praising and patting the Military on the back as you wouldn't be able to even say what you say on here today if it hadn't been for them and the ones who fought and died in these WARS.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Oh yeah. And we'd get a military coup d'état!
Local

Blairsville, GA

#71 Nov 14, 2012
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well said. Thank you for your service.
I seriously doubt if Local Mountain.... served in the military, so there's no reason to thank him for something he didn't do.

His claim that our wars protect our freedom is a crock! In my lifetime, my "freedom," such as we have left, has never been threatened by a foreign military (operative word) power.

And before some of you ding-bats start screaming 9/11, 9/11 at the top of your lungs, think for a second - that wasn't a military assault, it was a low-cost, highly successful intelligence operation that has cost us trillions of dollars we can ill afford, and made us paranoid.
Zoltar

Dawsonville, GA

#72 Nov 14, 2012
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
I seriously doubt if Local Mountain.... served in the military, so there's no reason to thank him for something he didn't do.
His claim that our wars protect our freedom is a crock! In my lifetime, my "freedom," such as we have left, has never been threatened by a foreign military (operative word) power.
And before some of you ding-bats start screaming 9/11, 9/11 at the top of your lungs, think for a second - that wasn't a military assault, it was a low-cost, highly successful intelligence operation that has cost us trillions of dollars we can ill afford, and made us paranoid.
If Local Mountain did'nt serve in the military, I hereby withdraw my "thank you".

I've never thought of myself as a "ding-bat", but, I've been called much worse. I don't believe that it mattters much to the families of the 9/11 victims how that terrible day in our history is defined. Personally, I don't think we have seen anything yet. Hoever, that's just my "ding-bat" opinion.
21st Century

Blairsville, GA

#73 Nov 14, 2012
The world is learning this lesson. Now if American would, or could....

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121109-is-w...

I doubt we will however. War is just too profitable for some.
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#74 Nov 14, 2012
Local Mountain Man wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"The problem the American public has is that we can't see it happening on the evening news-casts."
There is the problem in the first place.
Waaay too much news-casts!!!!
There are too many armchair soldiers now that it's completely rediculous, where they are trying to analyze and dissect the military and its actions.
The public doesen't need to know everything that is happening in a time of War.
THAT'S why all of the problems exist is because of what the public sees and hears by critical incorrect doctored up journalistic reports.
Let the Joint Chiefs of Staff do their jobs without interference and misguided interpretations by hyped up newscastrs and educated idiot civilians.
GET REAL.
You all better be praising and patting the Military on the back as you wouldn't be able to even say what you say on here today if it hadn't been for them and the ones who fought and died in these WARS.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Uhmmm,
sounds like a great path to follow,
let's start at the local level.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#75 Nov 14, 2012
Gotta say, since the odds of being killed by a terrorist are less than being struck by lightening - twice - I am not at all convinced spending $1 Trillion Dollars a year protecting me and my family, is justified.

If we are concerned about the safety of our citizens, that $1 Trillion would be better spent on medical research and educational programs for cancer and obesity - that would really save lives.

Every time I see a new nuclear attack submarine being built, I think of how many children could be fed and sheltered with that $2 Billion to build and that $140 Million a year it costs to operate.

Almost everyone I and my family served with agree.

Just my take on things.
Local

Blairsville, GA

#76 Nov 14, 2012
Zoltar wrote:
<quoted text>
If Local Mountain did'nt serve in the military, I hereby withdraw my "thank you".
I've never thought of myself as a "ding-bat", but, I've been called much worse. I don't believe that it mattters much to the families of the 9/11 victims how that terrible day in our history is defined. Personally, I don't think we have seen anything yet. Hoever, that's just my "ding-bat" opinion.
I apologize. That "ding-bat" quip wasn't aimed at you. ;o)

As far as not seeing anything yet, you could be right. If I were in CI and trying to figure out targets they could hit that would do the most damage for the least amount of cost, and risk, I'd say it would be our source of water. A few highjacked eighteen wheelers carrying ordinary gas dumped in a lake, and an entire city like Atlanta could be shut down (because of the additive in it). That was discussed in open Congressional hearings on the 9/11 incident, BTW.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#77 Nov 14, 2012
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
I seriously doubt if Local Mountain.... served in the military, so there's no reason to thank him for something he didn't do.
His claim that our wars protect our freedom is a crock! In my lifetime, my "freedom," such as we have left, has never been threatened by a foreign military (operative word) power.
And before some of you ding-bats start screaming 9/11, 9/11 at the top of your lungs, think for a second - that wasn't a military assault, it was a low-cost, highly successful intelligence operation that has cost us trillions of dollars we can ill afford, and made us paranoid.
Thank you Zoltar.
As far as Dumbass "Local" is concerned and his stupid remarks, don't pay IT any attention.
I spent 24 year in the Military with 3 times in Country in Vietnam and then trained troops for Desert Storm.
It's pure stupidity of Socialist Marxist that talk the way IT does. I've spit on worse than IT in my lifetime and if given the opportunity, well let's just say IT wouldn't like it very well.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#78 Nov 14, 2012
Oh, and I'm not even pi**ed off yet.
Wait until I AM!!!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#79 Nov 14, 2012
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but I believe it is a citizen's responsibility and obligation to question authority and not to sit back and "assume" those in power, civilian or military, are acting in the nation's best interest rather than their own.
We have seen too many $800 toilet seats; $200 million dollar planes that don't fly; too "secret" wars in Cambodia, Laos, etc.; too many military procurement officers retiring to join the very corporations from which they previously purchased hundreds of millions of dollars in war material; and many lies and prevarications;
to believe that anyone, or any organization, civilian or military, is above scrutiny.
Nobody replaced my heart with the pure unblemished heart of an angel, incapable of wrongdoing, when I enlisted, and we have to assume they still don't issue those today.
Why, it seems even generals are human and can error.
Who'd of thunk it ?
I agree with you to a certain degree on the over spending, but you have to agree that this goes back to waaay before modern warfare and yes there have been Generals that have made errors.
Scrutiny is fine where it is needed, but to catergorize the entire Military and/or its Budget as a wrongdoing is an extreme.
It's totally unfathomable to think that our Country can be safe in this screwed up World without a strong Military.
AND I blame the lame leadership in the Whitehouse moreso than the Military Joint Chiefs.
GaGirl64

United States

#80 Nov 14, 2012
Local, if you dont like your freedom that you have and for what our Military stands for, why dont you just leave. Not meaning this mean or anything. I have family in the Military and I am damn proud of them and what they do. Do I want anything to happen to them NO but they knew the dangers when they enlisted. I also knew what heartbreak and hurts go with them when they leave all to well. Just stand strong and support them is all the soldiers ask for not the the criticizing. Many dont want to be in the other Countries, but they have to be. Would hate it if we had a draft, because the people who spout off at the mouth are the ones who would run and hide.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#81 Nov 14, 2012
GaGirl64 wrote:
Local, if you dont like your freedom that you have and for what our Military stands for, why dont you just leave. Not meaning this mean or anything. I have family in the Military and I am damn proud of them and what they do. Do I want anything to happen to them NO but they knew the dangers when they enlisted. I also knew what heartbreak and hurts go with them when they leave all to well. Just stand strong and support them is all the soldiers ask for not the the criticizing. Many dont want to be in the other Countries, but they have to be. Would hate it if we had a draft, because the people who spout off at the mouth are the ones who would run and hide.
Yes ma'am. I agree wholeheartedly.

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