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There are 261 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Aug 20, 2010, titled Priest's punishing of woman upsets parishioners | The Columbus Disp.... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Retired teacher Kathy Sibley has been banned from speaking at St. Paul the Apostle church and school events and kicked off the school board by its pastor over comments in a speech at graduation.

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Thanks for the tip

Zanesville, OH

#205 Aug 21, 2010
tip wrote:
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Sure, churches aren't about buildings and all, but that 1960s design has never been....well...let's just say the new building is a beauty. Once you move past the church/school dispute, you'll be set. If only the school leadership had been independent of the church leadership, Fr. K would not have been directly involved in the matter, and the fallout to the parish would have been mitigated to a large extent.
I concur, but they really did short sight themselves by building the church that small and without a reception banquet room! This church will be too small in less than 10 years if they do not build another one somewhere around Lewis center.
Parent

Zanesville, OH

#207 Aug 21, 2010
School parent wrote:
Hopefully those who bother to read these comments will also realize that those comments which include links to Mrs. Sibley's website are also biased remarks. Obviously Mrs. Sibley has a list of issues with the administration, and pouncing on the cheating situation was a great to air all those grievances. My problem is not that she doesn't agree with some of the decisions by the current administration (although I do wonder why she cares so much when she is not a current school parent or teacher). My problem is the manner in which she and her loyal followers have conducted themselves in making this such a public matter. Sometimes people are resistant to change and bringing in a new administrator after a long period with the old regime can be difficult for those who thought things were good as they were. Mrs. Sibley taught there for a long time under the prior leadership. I think it is very apparent that she is using this "scandal" to oust the new principal. I can't blame Father Charlie for being so aggravated. I just hope TeamSibley can figure out when enough is enough and put this campaign to rest so Dr. Norris and Fr. Charlie can focus on what is most important right now - creating a positive, Christian environment for my child to learn in when school starts in 3 days.
The very fact that you are not concerned with the real issues makes me wonder what type of education you want for your child. Granted, the majority of teachers at St Paul are hands down some of the best in the area. But if you had a child who struggled in math, all of a sudden started receiving A's and then moved on to take the freshman exam at another school and failed.....would you not be concerned.

What is most important right now is to correct the issues which will allow all the kids at St Paul(most who have no idea what is going on unless they are listening to their parents talk about it)a fair and real education. But we realize that until it happens to your child, most are willing to ignore the facts and just move on.

The supporters have conducted themselves in a peaceful and factual manner. There are many things that still have not been posted that could lead to more stories and more embarrassment. We are just waiting to see how Fr Klinger and the Norris' continue to handle themselves.

Once again, this all could have been avoided had the ONE person made the right, ethical and moral choice. After all, is that not what makes a good Catholic?
Supporter

Zanesville, OH

#208 Aug 21, 2010
We find it funny how everyone thinks this has to do with Mrs. Sibley. Do you really think that all this information is coming from one person. That this is one persons mission in life? The information could be coming from many past parish members of different parishes (those that have knowledge of Fr Klinger), past employments and co-workers (that have knowledge of the Norris')or from some of the St Paul community who might be fed up with turning the other cheek for the last 7 years!

If you have facts, it's hard to be called bias or opinionated.
wow

Zanesville, OH

#209 Aug 21, 2010
Whom ever is on this team kathy, should just post a number so all the people who have been wronged by these crazy people can send in their info. Like crime stoppers!

From what I have seen, reviewed and read in this whole list of post seems that all the crazy people bashing this Kathy person is just mad since her name is being used in the spot light. But I have yet to see any proof of wrong doing by Kathy. No letter, no cheating, no abuse. Seems to me that those that have been attacking her are doing so because she may be right (or at least the people behind the name).

another conclusion I have made, if you review this post, this team kathy has only posted after you have attacked. So maybe if you stop attacking her, they will stop posting. Just a thought.

another conclusion I have made, where is all the proof from team fr klinger and team norris?

Why do people say that fr klinger can't make public remarks when he can publicly send out letters, like the ones that may have caused all this?
wow

Zanesville, OH

#210 Aug 21, 2010
another conclusion I made: why are more parents not mad about the possibility that a teacher is not teaching their child one of the most important skills like math? Do they not know that if you do not learn these skills at a young age, it will be extremely hard to catch up at an older age?

What if this team kathy is correct about this? do you really want to wait until your child gets to the next grade with a different teacher and look and feel stupid because they do not know what they should have learned the previous year?

Last conclusion I made: it seems to be the "not effected, not worried about it mentality" might be the real culprit here. I do not know either kathy and only know of fr klinger when I see him at church so I can't really make a valid remark on either character and will not try to. Maybe many who are posting on here should do the same.
Parent

Bowling Green, OH

#211 Aug 22, 2010
Parent and Parshioner wrote:
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Well said. I was at the graduation. Mrs. Sibley is no angel. She had no business parading the students in front of the entire assembly and taking her jabs at the school administration. The "priest's punishing of woman" has not upset me.
Thank you Mrs. Norris. Can you help me with some information as to how the ODE would sanction the cheating by the math teacher? This is the first thing we as parents need to know in order to understand how best to bring closure to this situation? There is certainly one thing that both TeamNorris and the parish community can agree upon – we need to move to a quick closure to allow us to focus on the job of educating our children. So, to that end I would like to ask you to put a survey up on the school website asking what the desired outcome of this situation should be. Is it suspending Mr. Norris, removal of Mr. Norris and/or Mrs/Dr. Norris? What would be the proper response to put closure to this problem and move forward? The majority of parents that I have spoken with feel this is an issue and would support the cause but what exactly is the remediation? It needs to be clearly defined what the parents of the school expect to happen. Once we have this information we can request a formal hearing with the ODE administration and the diocese. I think taking a constructive approach such as this would allow us to put this whole matter to an end, as we aren’t going to accomplish anything arguing on a message board…
Frustrated

Columbus, OH

#212 Aug 22, 2010
Fact: Fr Klinger has taken the funds from the St Paul Silent Auctions and has "shuffled" them into the "general fund" otherwise known as the building fund.

Is there proof of that?

Parent...I am glad to see that you agree with me as you basically copied & pasted my previous post with some minor changes...
Abortion is death

Columbus, OH

#215 Aug 22, 2010
Sorry to cross-post but the Dispatch people split this thread into two a couple days ago and I have something to say to both topic groups. BTW -- hats off to the Dispatch for taking money for those great soft-core porn banner ads promoting homosexuality and "hot chicks" locked in a passionate kiss...very nice! Hope the money is green and bountiful for you as you people down at 34 S 3rd add tot he moral decay of our society. Pardon me for that outburst...now what I posted on "the other Topix page:

I can't believe my eyes. Tell me you people attending/having "graduated" from St Paul's are not pro choice. How dare you hypocritical imbeciles come on here and spew such filth.

All you pro-abortion Catholics...there will be a judgement day. Repent!!! And may God have mercy on your soul. Go to confession and rid yourself of this poison. Indeed it is the ONE sacrament missing in this whole story.

There is no greater issue to Mother Church than the issue of Sanctity of Life. Take your tests and scholarships and put them aside. The magesterium of the Church is NOT a democracy. And neither is the adminstration of church/school business at St P. If you don't like what is happening there go find another parish.

For all you pro-Abortion pukes out there professing to be "Catholic": get out and stay out!!!

Thanks for your time and atention. Get to confession. Any Catholic priest will do. And yes -- our priests go to confession.
hmmm

Zanesville, OH

#216 Aug 22, 2010
Abortion is death wrote:
Sorry to cross-post but the Dispatch people split this thread into two a couple days ago and I have something to say to both topic groups. BTW -- hats off to the Dispatch for taking money for those great soft-core porn banner ads promoting homosexuality and "hot chicks" locked in a passionate kiss...very nice! Hope the money is green and bountiful for you as you people down at 34 S 3rd add tot he moral decay of our society. Pardon me for that outburst...now what I posted on "the other Topix page:
I can't believe my eyes. Tell me you people attending/having "graduated" from St Paul's are not pro choice. How dare you hypocritical imbeciles come on here and spew such filth.
All you pro-abortion Catholics...there will be a judgement day. Repent!!! And may God have mercy on your soul. Go to confession and rid yourself of this poison. Indeed it is the ONE sacrament missing in this whole story.
There is no greater issue to Mother Church than the issue of Sanctity of Life. Take your tests and scholarships and put them aside. The magesterium of the Church is NOT a democracy. And neither is the adminstration of church/school business at St P. If you don't like what is happening there go find another parish.
For all you pro-Abortion pukes out there professing to be "Catholic": get out and stay out!!!
Thanks for your time and atention. Get to confession. Any Catholic priest will do. And yes -- our priests go to confession.
You need to see this : http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.php...

Why would a Catholic priest donate to someone who is pro- abortion? Maybe this says a lot about what his true beliefs are!
truth

Westerville, OH

#217 Aug 22, 2010
TeamAlli wrote:
I think what we really should be outraged about is these three 8th graders snitching. Catholic schools seem to encourage these types: fun-ruining, holier-than-thou people who love the smug satisfaction they get from "telling on" others. They should be "honored" with a punch in the face.
Seriously, this is how you feel? Have you stopped to actually get the facts straight? These girls were reporting the fact that a TEACHER cheated...not the students! This is a wonderful class of students...all of them! And the support from the students for these girls has been amazing!!!

Grow up young lady and don't judge the actions for 3 girls who did the honorable, difficult and yes Catholic thing...made the right choice and told the truth!
Whatever

Columbus, OH

#218 Aug 22, 2010
You can't vote based on just a candidate's stand on abortion...there are so many other issues you need to look at and I commend Fr Charlie doing so if that site is legit...
hmmm wrote:
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You need to see this : http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.php...
Why would a Catholic priest donate to someone who is pro- abortion? Maybe this says a lot about what his true beliefs are!
dave

Chillicothe, OH

#219 Aug 22, 2010
well atleast the story is not about the priest haveing his way with the kiddies.....guess thats for next week paper
Let it go

Marengo, OH

#220 Aug 22, 2010
Every family in SPS made a choice to be there. If you are not happy with the drama and unresolved issues you can make a choice to leave. My children attended the school under the old administration and rather than deal with that and the new incoming administration we chose to leave. My children are thriving in the WCS and love it, they also continue with PSR and are involved in the youth ministry. If you're not happy, leave. Actions speak louder than words.
hmmm

Zanesville, OH

#221 Aug 22, 2010
Let it go wrote:
Every family in SPS made a choice to be there. If you are not happy with the drama and unresolved issues you can make a choice to leave. My children attended the school under the old administration and rather than deal with that and the new incoming administration we chose to leave. My children are thriving in the WCS and love it, they also continue with PSR and are involved in the youth ministry. If you're not happy, leave. Actions speak louder than words.
I think this is why so many priest were able to abuse their position! People just left rather than dealing with the actual issues. At some point in life and or before God, you have to do things that are extremely difficult, which can also cause pain and embarrassment to correct the wrong.

Think of how many kids could have been saved had the people, priest, bishops and law enforcement acted on ANY of the priest who abused their powers!

Yes, it is very easy to pack up and leave....but now you are hurting future generations or allowing the same issues effect someone else, the very issues that caused you to leave.

Think of where the world would be if everyone did that!
2Questions4Hmmm

Columbus, OH

#222 Aug 22, 2010
hmmm wrote:
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You need to see this : http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.php...
Why would a Catholic priest donate to someone who is pro- abortion? Maybe this says a lot about what his true beliefs are!
two yes/no questions that require no qualifiers, buts/ifs/maybes; (1)are you Roman Catholic?(2)Are you pro abortion?
2Questions4Hmmm

Columbus, OH

#223 Aug 22, 2010
Whatever wrote:
You can't vote based on just a candidate's stand on abortion...there are so many other issues you need to look at and I commend Fr Charlie doing so if that site is legit...
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if you are RC then the answer is absolutely YES. The RCC commands you to vote AGAINST a pro-abortion candidate. You are Roman Catholic? Yes/no? Easy answer -- won't take much of your time.
let it go

Marengo, OH

#224 Aug 22, 2010
hmmm wrote:
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I think this is why so many priest were able to abuse their position! People just left rather than dealing with the actual issues. At some point in life and or before God, you have to do things that are extremely difficult, which can also cause pain and embarrassment to correct the wrong.
Think of how many kids could have been saved had the people, priest, bishops and law enforcement acted on ANY of the priest who abused their powers!
Yes, it is very easy to pack up and leave....but now you are hurting future generations or allowing the same issues effect someone else, the very issues that caused you to leave.
Think of where the world would be if everyone did that!
This has nothing to do with Priests/abuse or being silent about things that are not right. When your concerns, complaints etc... go unheard you have to do what is right for you. In our case there were many things addressed over the years and not dealt with. We were not silent, this along with a large number of families who left the school, if you know anything about SPS you know that the people up there are not silent. It became clear that things were not going to change, therefore we had to make the change As with ANY situation in life we all have choices. It is a problem if you do nothing and walk away but you have no right to assume that we just walked away. It's also a problem if you continue to "beat a dead horse" and continue to whine and complain. At least I know that I stood up for my children and family and forged ahead.
hmmm

Zanesville, OH

#225 Aug 22, 2010
2Questions4Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text> two yes/no questions that require no qualifiers, buts/ifs/maybes; (1)are you Roman Catholic?(2)Are you pro abortion?
No, No

this is getting off the topic of this post.
hmmm

Zanesville, OH

#226 Aug 22, 2010
let it go wrote:
<quoted text>
This has nothing to do with Priests/abuse or being silent about things that are not right. When your concerns, complaints etc... go unheard you have to do what is right for you. In our case there were many things addressed over the years and not dealt with. We were not silent, this along with a large number of families who left the school, if you know anything about SPS you know that the people up there are not silent. It became clear that things were not going to change, therefore we had to make the change As with ANY situation in life we all have choices. It is a problem if you do nothing and walk away but you have no right to assume that we just walked away. It's also a problem if you continue to "beat a dead horse" and continue to whine and complain. At least I know that I stood up for my children and family and forged ahead.
No one is judging what you did was right or wrong, just because you and the others decided to stop beating a dead horse does not make what it seems the Support Mrs. Sibley groups fight wrong. Maybe now is the time to join that group and offer what you can to the public so that they will see that it is not just "one" persons fight, but that this power abuse has been going on for way too long!

If I'm reading the article and the posts correctly, it appears that one person seems to have God like powers, but unlike God, can't control himself. Thus making many errors in judgment and rather than correcting those errors, keeps making more errors in trying to cover them up. It also seems that his boss has been sleeping at the job and hoping that everything goes away.

From what I gather, there are only three ways to make changes. Public pressure, lack of funds or both. What I get from many of the people hacking on Mrs. Sibley is that they really do not know all the facts and are just mad because they think she is the sole person that has brought this upon the parish and school. If that is correct, then she must be one powerful lady.....with more power than Fr Klinger. But what they seem to fail to understand, he has made all the decisions.

Without admitting that they know Fr Klinger is wrong, to hack at Mrs. Sibley, they in essence are admitting that Fr Klinger is wrong and she spot lighted the issues.
Teacher

Columbus, OH

#227 Aug 22, 2010
So Very Sad wrote:
One would think Fr. Klinger would have had the forethought to understand just exactly how important people like Kathy Sibley are to this community. She is loved far and wide - she is one of those teachers you fondly remember as a grown-up who had a significant impact on you when you were a child in school.
Fr. Klinger had the opportunity long before this story broke, to have an honest and open discussion with many of us who simply asked for his side of the story in order to form our opinions of the situation, and he chose to ignore us. All we know is that Mrs. Sibley has always honored her late husband by way of a Catholic school scholorship and she has awarded it to students who have demonstrated their Catholic faith in some way. This year was no different.
I hope those of you reading this will read the documented facts at https://www.supportkathysibley.com where you can also view the video of her scholorship speech at the 2010 8th grade graduation. There is nothing outrageous or shocking at all. For those of you still sending in those big checks to St. Paul to build the new church, I hope you will print out a copy of this article and place it in the collection basket in place of your building fund checks, until Fr. Charlie addresses the congregation and provides us answers to how this could have happened to such a strong and faithful person like Kathy Sibley. We need answers and it is time we get them.
I will continue to place my weekly offerings in the collection basket on Sundays.

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