Right to Life holding convention here

[kadamson]

Svaha wrote:

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"Should" implies that she has a choice. A woman's reasons are her own and she "shouldn't" have to explain them to anyone. If "god" thinks it's a sin to have an abortion he/she/it can take it up with her. I'll not judge her reasons.

At what point is it not ok for a woman to kill her child? When is it alive. God objects to taking the life of another human. If a person chooses to do that you don't judge their reasons either?

[Entropythermo]

Svaha wrote:

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"Should" implies that she has a choice. A woman's reasons are her own and she "shouldn't" have to explain them to anyone. If "god" thinks it's a sin to have an abortion he/she/it can take it up with her. I'll not judge her reasons.

eh...that's what I said

[hornback12]

Speed wrote:

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Look in any major newspaper. There are people all over the country starved to have a baby, and they cannot. Their ads are posted seeking a baby to adopt. Anyway, how is that an excuse to kill a baby?

the question was "are you willing to adopt one of the children that you save from abortion?" a very simple question. yes or no is enough

[Svaha]

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>At what point is it not ok for a woman to kill her child? When is it alive. God objects to taking the life of another human. If a person chooses to do that you don't judge their reasons either?

All I've heard from you so far is how much BETTER you are because of your BELIEFS. Haven't heard of any practical ways you help others, only you patting yourself on the back because you're so much better than everyone else. Good luck with that.

[Svaha]

Entropythermo wrote:

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eh...that's what I said

sometimes you have to say the same thing different ways before the light bulb pops on

[Svaha]

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>At what point is it not ok for a woman to kill her child? When is it alive. God objects to taking the life of another human. If a person chooses to do that you don't judge their reasons either?

In other words, you make it ALL about you. I believe this, others shouldn't do that because of MY beliefs. You spend so much time adjusting your halo you can't SEE past your OWN beliefs. Best of luck with world domination.

[Svaha]

hornback12 wrote:

<quoted text>the question was "are you willing to adopt one of the children that you save from abortion?" a very simple question. yes or no is enough

I'm betting the answer is no. They want the power OVER others but certainly NOT the responsibility FOR the decisions THEY think they should be able to make. That's left to already overburdened government agencies that they are so terrified will become SOCIALISM.

[Amazed]

Svaha wrote:

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I'm betting the answer is no. They want the power OVER others but certainly NOT the responsibility FOR the decisions THEY think they should be able to make. That's left to already overburdened government agencies that they are so terrified will become SOCIALISM.

What you call not taking responsibility is also known as "shifting the costs". The point is that theology isn't the single driving force and motivator behind the decisions of the Vatican. The Vatican also seeks to protect its tithe filled war chests, coffers, vaults and investment portfolios.

The Vatican tries but fails to disguise its true motivations for its actions in declaring war on Americas poor and on American health care reform: church economics.

http://coloradoindependent.com/42226/stupak-a...

From the article:

"Although the bishops’ stand against health reform can not be separated from theology, its ties to Church economics are also very real. The Catholic Church with its hundreds of hospitals and clinics and nursing facilities is in the health care business in a major way. In 2006, Americans spent $84.6 billion on Catholic-affiliated health care. Fact is, the bishops have more at stake in this debate than principle. Former Colorado Independent editor Wendy Norris developed the point today in a blog post for RH Reality Check.

The Stupak Amendment, which is designed to cut abortion out of what would be the dominant health-care plan in the nation, may or may not be a moral victory. What it is, indisputably, is genius business strategy, the kind other industries dream of effecting on Capitol Hill."

and:

"By restricting insurance coverage of women’s reproductive health care, the competitive barriers faced by Catholic institutions will be eliminated — provided the amendment is not stripped out of the final bill that emerges from House-Senate health care reform conference committee. Which is why pro-choice advocates should expect nothing short of a full-frontal attack by the Vatican on conservative Senators."

[Svaha]

Amazed wrote:

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What you call not taking responsibility is also known as "shifting the costs". The point is that theology isn't the single driving force and motivator behind the decisions of the Vatican. The Vatican also seeks to protect its tithe filled war chests, coffers, vaults and investment portfolios.
The Vatican tries but fails to disguise its true motivations for its actions in declaring war on Americas poor and on American health care reform: church economics.
http://coloradoindependent.com/42226/stupak-a...
From the article:
"Although the bishops’ stand against health reform can not be separated from theology, its ties to Church economics are also very real. The Catholic Church with its hundreds of hospitals and clinics and nursing facilities is in the health care business in a major way. In 2006, Americans spent $84.6 billion on Catholic-affiliated health care. Fact is, the bishops have more at stake in this debate than principle. Former Colorado Independent editor Wendy Norris developed the point today in a blog post for RH Reality Check.
The Stupak Amendment, which is designed to cut abortion out of what would be the dominant health-care plan in the nation, may or may not be a moral victory. What it is, indisputably, is genius business strategy, the kind other industries dream of effecting on Capitol Hill."
and:
"By restricting insurance coverage of women’s reproductive health care, the competitive barriers faced by Catholic institutions will be eliminated — provided the amendment is not stripped out of the final bill that emerges from House-Senate health care reform conference committee. Which is why pro-choice advocates should expect nothing short of a full-frontal attack by the Vatican on conservative Senators."

Like the children left unprotected by the Vatican and stateside RCC leadership from pedophile priests, what's a few maimed or dead women at the hands of a hack. Looks like, at least to me, women and kids are expendable with RCC leadership because MONEY comes first. I'm always told that churches are "houses of god". I wonder if Jesus would clean out the den of thieves that have taken hold in HIS house.

[Speed]

Walter In FL wrote:

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Speed
What is the difference of sperm cells and other cells in the body?
How do you know life begins at conception?
Is it Science or Religious Beliefs that it is concidered to be a person when it is just a several cells?
That is conception but it is still the same as any other cells of the body.

The other cells in the body do not join and create a heartbeat.

No, it is not the same.

[Speed]

hornback12 wrote:

<quoted text>because you believe it does not mean that others do. this country was founded by people trying to get away from others telling them what to think. i believe that all churches chould be taxed the same as other businesses. since taxes help with the social services and envolves the protection of a being, you would agree with that. you , i guess are also willing to support one of the children that were not aborted.

Taxation and life are not on the same page. While I am for individual freedoms, I am also for protection of the innocent.

[Speed]

Svaha wrote:

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So what do you think we ought to do. Chip women in childbearing years so the preggo police can round 'em up like the breeding stock you'd like them to be? Then they can be forcefed their prenatal vitamins because pregnant women don't HAVE any rights over their own being. After the forced birth (probably without anesthesia because they have to be punished for having sex) kick 'em to the curb and it's time for the NEXT one. Pretty picture you pain there sport:-)

Have rights over their own body? We are not talking about prohibiting someone from getting a belly button piercing. This is about a child's life. All that you stated......gibberish hyperbole.

[Speed]

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>At what point is it not ok for a woman to kill her child? When is it alive. God objects to taking the life of another human. If a person chooses to do that you don't judge their reasons either?

You can leave God out of it. The law of man prohibits the taking of another life.

[Walter In FL]

Speed wrote:

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The other cells in the body do not join and create a heartbeat.
No, it is not the same.

Then you're for the pomotion and use of birth control methods?

example: Day after pill

[Walter In FL]

Speed

It would be a lot cheaper to promote the use of birth control and realistic sex education in the schools. But you and your like-minded would not have anything to do. You would have to find another subject to campaign. Or should I say your leader the terrorist Randall "bullhorn" Terry will to find another livelihood for you to rally.

[Walter In FL]

Oh, It would also be more effective than your rants.

[Walter In FL]

Speed

Everyone of us regulars on this Terri Schiavo Forum have full knowledge of the pros and cons of abortions.

So, please get back on you horse and go back to the Topix Anti-Abortion Forum or stay on the topic of the Terri Schiavo Forum.

URL: http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion

[pbfa]

Walter In FL wrote:

Speed
Everyone of us regulars on this Terri Schiavo Forum have full knowledge of the pros and cons of abortions.
So, please get back on you horse and go back to the Topix Anti-Abortion Forum or stay on the topic of the Terri Schiavo Forum.
URL: http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion

Walter, in fairness to Slow, this is also a thread appearing in the Abortion Forum.

[Speed]

Walter In FL wrote:

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Then you're for the pomotion and use of birth control methods?
example: Day after pill

I am for birth control and educating the youth about abstinance as well as birth control options.

[Speed]

Walter In FL wrote:

Speed
It would be a lot cheaper to promote the use of birth control and realistic sex education in the schools. But you and your like-minded would not have anything to do. You would have to find another subject to campaign. Or should I say your leader the terrorist Randall "bullhorn" Terry will to find another livelihood for you to rally.

Walter, you need to chill. I'm all for birth control education. Don't try to pigeon hole me. I'm not claiming that you are all about free love, multiple wives and legallizing LSD.

There are a multitude of other issues to debate and support. You don't have to look far to find another "subject to campaign."