Molly Bish and Maura Murray

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Beagle

Shelburne Falls, MA

#1 Aug 8, 2011
Is there a connection between the Molly Bish murder and the disappearance of Maura Murray? There are some arrows that point in that direction, but true connection has yet to be conclusively established.
Beagle

Amherst, MA

#2 Dec 9, 2011
What happened to Maura Murray?
findmaura

Mashpee, MA

#3 Dec 20, 2011
Beagle wrote:
What happened to Maura Murray?
Whats your theory?
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#4 Dec 23, 2011
I don't really have a single theory. I think a lot of things might have happened.

One - only one - possibility is that Maura sought the advice or services of Birthright of Amherst Area. People connected to this group seem to have a keen interest in what happened to Maura.

At the same time, her safety might have been somehow jeopardized. This happens not infrequently in lower socio/economic settings, but we are less likely to admit its occurrence in middle and upper-middleclass settings. Woman gets pregnant, boyfriend insists on either abortion or birth. Confusion and distrust ensue. Arguments, maybe threats, maybe actual violence follow.

So maybe she also sought the help of a women's group like Safe Passage in Northampton, Everywoman's Center at UMass, NELCWIT in Greenfield. Just a guess, but a somewhat educated guess.

She may have bolted UMass because she was afraid of some kind of possibly immediate threat to her safety.

This would explain why the people connected to Birthright would wonder what happened to her and, of course, they would have heard about her disappearance and maybe put 2 and 2 together.

This is just a possible - emphasis on possible - scenario. But it does have some circumstantial evidence to back it up. Still, it doesn't really reach the bar at the present time. So it's better than a wild guess, but doesn't have too much solid evidence to support it.
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#5 Dec 23, 2011
Or someone may have borrowed the Saturn, hit Vasi, told Maura about it, she wavered about keeping her mouth shut, the hit-and-run driver decided to silence Maura and get rid of the car, which spun out on the WB curve on its way to a further destination and so the driver took off either on foot or got a ride with an accomplice who was accompanying her, or got a ride with anyone.

Again, this is just a possibility. Remember what was said about how far it was from Melville to where Vasi was found and back? About how it was too far for Maura to have left her post and returned to it within a half-hour? Totally untrue.
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#6 Dec 23, 2011
And then there is the Kevin theory. Kevin was a sort of handyman (without a lot of expertise), mostly he demolished things. He liked looking at naked women. He's a little off. He was also a bodybuilder in his better days. He draws pictures of covered bridges, including ones in NH (Haverhill area has two famous ones). He worked for the owner of a building on Philips St in Amherst that Maura probably frequented. I last saw Kevin in Northampton a few months ago. I think he was either homeless or borderline homeless. He's not a real talkative guy, but will warm up to you under the right conditions.
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#7 Dec 23, 2011
So there are three possible - possible - scenarios. There are maybe a few others, but this is not a good venue for them and they are, at any rate, too unconventional for the average person.
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#8 Dec 23, 2011
What's your theory?
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#9 Dec 23, 2011
The MA PI would not have wasted his time asking me whether or not I killed Maura if he thought the answer could not have been yes. Most likely he looked at the totality of my answer. Although I vocalized a strongly confident no (because I didn't kill her), I'm not sure how he might have read the rest of my answer - that is, my body language. See the old Reid Interrogation Technique for a better answer. I'm also told there is a video game called LA Noir, in which the character(s) use some kind of software to evaluate whether or not subjects are telling the truth.

It's also true that LE, such as Mass. State Police, will use experts to help them investigate a difficult case. This particular MA PI would be an easy fit because of his previous experience as a detective in MSP and former head of its Behavioral Sciences Unit. He's very good at his job and has contracted to gov't. before.

Or maybe it has something to do with Stobierski's civil suit against the Springfield MA Roman Catholic Diocese. Stobierski, a Greenfield MA attorney in private practice, represents the family of murdered 13 year old altar boy Daniel Croteau. When I showed Stobierski, who had worked on the Molly Bish case when in the DA's office (as had the MA PI) a phone bill I found relating to the Bish case, he became instantly upset and told me to get this junk (a copy of the phone bill) off his desk.

So maybe, for whatever reason, Stobierski and/or the MA PI decided the PI should talk to me. See who I was, what kind of person I am. That kind of thing. Just a guess.
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#10 Dec 26, 2011
Beagle wrote:
So there are three possible - possible - scenarios. There are maybe a few others, but this is not a good venue for them and they are, at any rate, too unconventional for the average person.
Sorry, I don't mean there are ONLY three scenarios. I mean that I've outlined three possible scenarios. I would guess there are many more to look at, but LE and a few others know the most accurate information.
findmaura

South Yarmouth, MA

#11 Dec 29, 2011
Beagle wrote:
I don't really have a single theory. I think a lot of things might have happened.
One - only one - possibility is that Maura sought the advice or services of Birthright of Amherst Area. People connected to this group seem to have a keen interest in what happened to Maura.
At the same time, her safety might have been somehow jeopardized. This happens not infrequently in lower socio/economic settings, but we are less likely to admit its occurrence in middle and upper-middleclass settings. Woman gets pregnant, boyfriend insists on either abortion or birth. Confusion and distrust ensue. Arguments, maybe threats, maybe actual violence follow.
So maybe she also sought the help of a women's group like Safe Passage in Northampton, Everywoman's Center at UMass, NELCWIT in Greenfield. Just a guess, but a somewhat educated guess.
She may have bolted UMass because she was afraid of some kind of possibly immediate threat to her safety.
This would explain why the people connected to Birthright would wonder what happened to her and, of course, they would have heard about her disappearance and maybe put 2 and 2 together.
This is just a possible - emphasis on possible - scenario. But it does have some circumstantial evidence to back it up. Still, it doesn't really reach the bar at the present time. So it's better than a wild guess, but doesn't have too much solid evidence to support it.
Birthright issues birth control too.Maybe she just missed an appt..How did you ascertain their interest?
findmaura

South Yarmouth, MA

#12 Dec 29, 2011
Beagle wrote:
The MA PI would not have wasted his time asking me whether or not I killed Maura if he thought the answer could not have been yes. Most likely he looked at the totality of my answer. Although I vocalized a strongly confident no (because I didn't kill her), I'm not sure how he might have read the rest of my answer - that is, my body language. See the old Reid Interrogation Technique for a better answer. I'm also told there is a video game called LA Noir, in which the character(s) use some kind of software to evaluate whether or not subjects are telling the truth.
It's also true that LE, such as Mass. State Police, will use experts to help them investigate a difficult case. This particular MA PI would be an easy fit because of his previous experience as a detective in MSP and former head of its Behavioral Sciences Unit. He's very good at his job and has contracted to gov't. before.
Or maybe it has something to do with Stobierski's civil suit against the Springfield MA Roman Catholic Diocese. Stobierski, a Greenfield MA attorney in private practice, represents the family of murdered 13 year old altar boy Daniel Croteau. When I showed Stobierski, who had worked on the Molly Bish case when in the DA's office (as had the MA PI) a phone bill I found relating to the Bish case, he became instantly upset and told me to get this junk (a copy of the phone bill) off his desk.
So maybe, for whatever reason, Stobierski and/or the MA PI decided the PI should talk to me. See who I was, what kind of person I am. That kind of thing. Just a guess.
Where is the phone bill now?What if that bill somehow connects Molly&Maura.How did you acquire it?
findmaura

South Yarmouth, MA

#13 Dec 29, 2011
Beagle wrote:
And then there is the Kevin theory. Kevin was a sort of handyman (without a lot of expertise), mostly he demolished things. He liked looking at naked women. He's a little off. He was also a bodybuilder in his better days. He draws pictures of covered bridges, including ones in NH (Haverhill area has two famous ones). He worked for the owner of a building on Philips St in Amherst that Maura probably frequented. I last saw Kevin in Northampton a few months ago. I think he was either homeless or borderline homeless. He's not a real talkative guy, but will warm up to you under the right conditions.
Is there any evidence they met?If he is a suspect,how did it playout in your opinion?
findmaura

South Yarmouth, MA

#14 Dec 29, 2011
Beagle wrote:
What's your theory?
My theory hasnt really formed.Rogue LE,Fred,CW&many more.Why you posting in Bismarck?Your more a Franconia kinda guy.
PS...The magnet comment was classic!
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#15 Jan 3, 2012
findmaura wrote:
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Where is the phone bill now?What if that bill somehow connects Molly&Maura.How did you acquire it?
I don't think the phone bill connects Molly Bish and Maura Murray. I found the bill by accident while emptying some trash that, along with many books, had been recently purchased by an auctioneer as an abandoned storage unit in the Worcester area.

The Oct/Nov 2002 phone bill itemized a series of about a dozen collect calls from the Worcester County House of Correction to a former priest convicted in the 1980s of having raped two girls, 12 and 14 years old IIRC. Apparently in turn, the rapist called the home phone of a leader of a search and rescue group involved in the search for Molly Bish. This was at the same time that the hunter first found Bish's bathing suit.

For some reason, the lawyer, who represents not only the family of Danny Croteau, but also about 30 other plaintiffs, reacted rather strongly to the bill. I don't know why. However, the lawyer, and probably the PI, stand to rake in some big bucks if the suits against the Springfield MA Roman Catholic Diocese are successful. Not saying there's a connection, but the thought does naturally occur.
Beagle

Newtonville, MA

#16 Jan 3, 2012
findmaura wrote:
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Is there any evidence they met?If he is a suspect,how did it playout in your opinion?
I'm not aware of any evidence that they met. They would not actually have to have met. He simply might have seen her in the yard, passed her in the hall, something like that. I would be surprised if police even know he exists in relation to Maura's disappearance, so I doubt he's anything like a suspect.
findmaura

Centerville, MA

#17 Jan 17, 2012
Det. Columbo know any of this?
Beagle

Charlton, MA

#18 Feb 8, 2012
findmaura wrote:
Det. Columbo know any of this?
I thought he knew everything.
John Green

Asheville, NC

#19 Feb 9, 2012
Beagle, you are in deep dude. That sick video you posted on YouTube and then removed last night video shows you plainly and plainly for what you are. Also, you broke a number of laws in posting it. AND ... little did you know that the police are two slam dunk subpoenas and one computer expert down from finding you. Maybe the police already know you did not kill Maura, but you violated other laws and incurred potential civil liability in posting that video.
John Green

Asheville, NC

#20 Feb 9, 2012
Hey and Beagle, don't try to bullshit me ... you are not even close to smart enough to pull that off.

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