Wind tower plant in Bismarck less cer...

Wind tower plant in Bismarck less certain

There are 37 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 15, 2010, titled Wind tower plant in Bismarck less certain. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Plans for a wind tower manufacturing plant in Bismarck have become less certain because of the slowing of wind energy development.

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Sugaree

Saint Paul, MN

#1 May 15, 2010
do i need to explain what a bad idea wind power is? too inefficient to ever be cost effective. this is the plain truth of it. Wind will never - NEVER - be a good source for electricity. only a small niche in the overall market picture. So then it follows and it should be obvious but apparently we need to say it over and over and over again, there should be NO PUBLIC SUBSIDY FOR WIND. We don't have the money to indulge liberal pipe dreams.

so here's a bumper sticker for you: WIND BLOWS
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#2 May 15, 2010
Sugaree wrote:
do i need to explain what a bad idea wind power is? too inefficient to ever be cost effective. this is the plain truth of it. Wind will never - NEVER - be a good source for electricity. only a small niche in the overall market picture. So then it follows and it should be obvious but apparently we need to say it over and over and over again, there should be NO PUBLIC SUBSIDY FOR WIND. We don't have the money to indulge liberal pipe dreams.
so here's a bumper sticker for you: WIND BLOWS
Yawn.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#3 May 15, 2010
Fiscal Year 2007 Electricity Production Subsidies and Support (million 2007 dollars)

Refined Coal: 2,156
Nuclear: 1,267
Renewables: 1,008

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/subsid...
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#4 May 15, 2010
Humans have been using wind power for at least 5,500 years to propel sailboats and sailing ships, and architects have used wind-driven natural ventilation in buildings since similarly ancient times. Windmills have been used for irrigation pumping and for milling grain since the 7th century AD in what is now Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan.

In the United States, the development of the "water-pumping windmill" was the major factor in allowing the farming and ranching of vast areas otherwise devoid of readily accessible water. Windpumps contributed to the expansion of rail transport systems throughout the world, by pumping water from water wells for the steam locomotives.[6] The multi-bladed wind turbine atop a lattice tower made of wood or steel was, for many years, a fixture of the landscape throughout rural America. When fitted with generators and battery banks, small wind machines provided electricity to isolated farms.

In July 1887, a Scottish academic, Professor James Blyth, undertook wind power experiments that culminated in a UK patent in 1891.[7] In the United States, Charles F. Brush produced electricity using a wind powered machine, starting in the winter of 1887-1888, which powered his home and laboratory until about 1900. In the 1890s, the Danish scientist and inventor Poul la Cour constructed wind turbines to generate electricity, which was then used to produce hydrogen. These were the first of what was to become the modern form of wind turbine.

Small wind turbines for lighting of isolated rural buildings were widespread in the first part of the 20th century. Larger units intended for connection to a distribution network were tried at several locations including Balaklava USSR in 1931 and in a 1.25 megawatt (MW) experimental unit in Vermont in 1941.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power#Histo...
Magic

Minneapolis, MN

#5 May 15, 2010
So why do renewables get 25% of subsidies and only provide 7% of US energy?

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/energyexplained/inde...
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#6 May 15, 2010
Magic wrote:
So why do renewables get 25% of subsidies and only provide 7% of US energy?
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/energyexplained/inde...
That's what happens with growth markets.
Magic

Delano, MN

#7 May 15, 2010
Minn wrote:
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That's what happens with growth markets.
Does this story reflect a growth market?

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/twincities-...

Sounds like a "death market" to me.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#8 May 15, 2010
Plus, that EIA report I referenced is extremely conservative when it comes to covering subsidies for non-renewable energy and was published in 2007.

Just one example:

In October 2004, MMS estimated that forgone royalties on deep water leases issued under the Outer Continental Shelf Deep Water Royalty Relief Act could be as high as $80 billion, for just the years 1996 to 2000.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07369t.pdf

These things also ignore military expenditures that involve resource wars and protection of resources.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#9 May 15, 2010
Magic wrote:
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Does this story reflect a growth market?
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/twincities-...
Sounds like a "death market" to me.
http://bit.ly/cDYrwd

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Mpls

#10 May 15, 2010
19th century technology sold by the progressives. Wind is expensive and unreliable energy and ya still need a coal back up. California the leader in goin green has an economy in a depression
Peter

Houston, TX

#11 May 15, 2010
Minn wrote:
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That's what happens with growth markets.
That's what happens with POLITICS. Ethanol is another one of those government sponsored "growth" debacles.
Magic

Delano, MN

#12 May 15, 2010
IF wind is a growth industry, WHAT pray tell is a death industry?
Peter

Houston, TX

#13 May 15, 2010
Minn wrote:
Humans have been using wind power for at least 5,500 years to propel sailboats and sailing ships, and architects have used wind-driven natural ventilation in buildings since similarly ancient times. Windmills have been used for irrigation pumping and for milling grain since the 7th century AD in what is now Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan.
In the United States, the development of the "water-pumping windmill" was the major factor in allowing the farming and ranching of vast areas otherwise devoid of readily accessible water. Windpumps contributed to the expansion of rail transport systems throughout the world, by pumping water from water wells for the steam locomotives.[6] The multi-bladed wind turbine atop a lattice tower made of wood or steel was, for many years, a fixture of the landscape throughout rural America. When fitted with generators and battery banks, small wind machines provided electricity to isolated farms.
In July 1887, a Scottish academic, Professor James Blyth, undertook wind power experiments that culminated in a UK patent in 1891.[7] In the United States, Charles F. Brush produced electricity using a wind powered machine, starting in the winter of 1887-1888, which powered his home and laboratory until about 1900. In the 1890s, the Danish scientist and inventor Poul la Cour constructed wind turbines to generate electricity, which was then used to produce hydrogen. These were the first of what was to become the modern form of wind turbine.
Small wind turbines for lighting of isolated rural buildings were widespread in the first part of the 20th century. Larger units intended for connection to a distribution network were tried at several locations including Balaklava USSR in 1931 and in a 1.25 megawatt (MW) experimental unit in Vermont in 1941.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power#Histo...
Great, you sold me. Wow, with those merits and history, taxpayers can surely put their wallets back into the pockets, I guess. LOL.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#14 May 15, 2010
Peter wrote:
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Great, you sold me. Wow, with those merits and history, taxpayers can surely put their wallets back into the pockets, I guess. LOL.
You grow smaller and sadder with each passing moment.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#15 May 15, 2010
You have to love a teat-sucking Texan whine about energy subsidies. Just as classic as socialist queen Palin ruling over the Alaska Permanent Fund.
felix

Saint Paul, MN

#16 May 15, 2010
more "GREEN JOBS" blow , ha ha away, fffffing joke that they are
Peter

Houston, TX

#17 May 15, 2010
Minn wrote:
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You grow smaller and sadder with each passing moment.
Quite the come back there.
Peter

Houston, TX

#18 May 15, 2010
Minn wrote:
You have to love a teat-sucking Texan whine about energy subsidies. Just as classic as socialist queen Palin ruling over the Alaska Permanent Fund.
You never read me argue for subsidies of anything. But I have heard you argue endlessly for bigger government. Neato though, huh? Yep, get government involved with all that money sloshing around and you get all sorts of waste, inefficiency, and corruption. As a big government liberal, kinda makes you tear up with pride, doesn't it?
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#19 May 15, 2010
Last word troll.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#20 May 15, 2010
Tank Murdoch wrote:
19th century technology sold by the progressives.
How old is the "technology" of burning flammables?

The point of the history lesson, which clearly bypassed you, is that windpower is not some hippy invention. It's a proven technology that's been around for centuries.

You people are just reactionaries. You never just examine an idea on its merits. You first look to see if a liberal (by your standards meaning anyone who isn't a hate-filled reactionary) and if they're for it, you're against it.

Nothing more than that. Instead of being thoughtful, you just scream and act like luddites.

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